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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
For anyone wondering what the intentions of crowncrates
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mikejezz✭✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »
Just seems weird that there are so many threads regarding this subject and they haven’t replied a single time. I know it’s a beehive for them, but they could also score some goodwill.
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Rinira✭✭Well I knew the odds are not in favor of anyone buying the crates buy my word.. glad I never wasted money or had a desire to waste money on the crates now.Tangled-in-Strings - PC/NA @Rosekitten | "What would you attempt if you could not fail?" | Love for all Factions but Ebonheart Pact is my home.0 -
CloneTrooper699✭✭✭I spend so much time playing this game that I want to support it and keep it going. That being said I'm a super indecisive person who would never want to spend $40 on just one mount, I'd much rather pay $40 and get a bunch of things at random. Leave crates in the game, if you don't like them don't buy them and if it bothers you that much don't play, the people that buy crates are the people that keep the game going. It's all just cosmetic crap anyway.I'm a goat2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.3 -
JWKe✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.
What indicates to you that they care? I have personally not come across any mention of CC by ZoS employees.
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Istoppucks✭✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »
News flash the majority of gamers dont care what you think either. 99% of gamers never step foot in forums because its usually just people complaining about the game and how the company doesnt care about them.1 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CloneTrooper699 wrote: »I spend so much time playing this game that I want to support it and keep it going. That being said I'm a super indecisive person who would never want to spend $40 on just one mount, I'd much rather pay $40 and get a bunch of things at random. Leave crates in the game, if you don't like them don't buy them and if it bothers you that much don't play, the people that buy crates are the people that keep the game going. It's all just cosmetic crap anyway.
Or the crates could stay as an alternative method to acquire the items, rather than containing exclusive stuff that can only be had in crates. It's not a matter of they exist as is or they don't.
Also, the game survived before crates. Enough that they were able to create that Super Bowl ad for Morrowind (crates came out December '16 and Super Bowl was February '17) before they'd seen profits from the crates. There are other paying players you know, like the ones that sub, or buy DLC, or everyone buying chapters, or buying stuff straight up from crown store. It's not like crates are the only source of revenue this game has.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.
What indicates to you that they care? I have personally not come across any mention of CC by ZoS employees.
They changed one of their Crown Crate plans for Summerset based on forum feedback. They came up with a nice alternative to the single page motif situation. Of course, that was the Dev team. By the time it passes Executive and Marketing muster, the drop rate for them will be somewhere close to winning the Powerball jackpot.0 -
BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.
What indicates to you that they care? I have personally not come across any mention of CC by ZoS employees.
They changed one of their Crown Crate plans for Summerset based on forum feedback. They came up with a nice alternative to the single page motif situation. Of course, that was the Dev team. By the time it passes Executive and Marketing muster, the drop rate for them will be somewhere close to winning the Powerball jackpot.
Morrowind furnishing recipesThey nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd1 -
Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.
What indicates to you that they care? I have personally not come across any mention of CC by ZoS employees.
They changed one of their Crown Crate plans for Summerset based on forum feedback. They came up with a nice alternative to the single page motif situation. Of course, that was the Dev team. By the time it passes Executive and Marketing muster, the drop rate for them will be somewhere close to winning the Powerball jackpot.
Morrowind furnishing recipes
It only took nearly a year...0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Shouldn't the low odds teach people not to gamble, either in game or in real life?
You clearly don't understand how an addiction or compulsion work.
The issue with the way crates are implemented in many of these game, regardless of whether the items are cosmetic, p2w or whatnot, is they use manipulative and predatory techniques to target a specific and vulnerably portion of the gaming market. Which is fine so long as they play by certain accepted rules, similar to those enforced on casinos and lotteries and that some protections are put in place to dissuade or minimize it's access to minors.
I understand some folks have issues with state intervention with these types of things, I do not.
Ah, yes, people acted irrationally. What a twist to the economic concept that people act rationally. How do we draw the line between a profitable business and exploitive behavior?
Easy, you set a line once it is obvious that they crossed it so that nobody crosses it again. That's all you can do.
That's what this company and others are asking for by their actions.
And what is the appropriate line to draw? Is it "easy" to define?0 -
BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »
They care. My guess is that the legal staff does not want any official statements made, so people like Gina and Jessica have nothing to say on the subject.
What indicates to you that they care? I have personally not come across any mention of CC by ZoS employees.
They changed one of their Crown Crate plans for Summerset based on forum feedback. They came up with a nice alternative to the single page motif situation. Of course, that was the Dev team. By the time it passes Executive and Marketing muster, the drop rate for them will be somewhere close to winning the Powerball jackpot.
Morrowind furnishing recipes
It only took nearly a year...
To find oneThey nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd1 -
Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Shouldn't the low odds teach people not to gamble, either in game or in real life?
You clearly don't understand how an addiction or compulsion work.
The issue with the way crates are implemented in many of these game, regardless of whether the items are cosmetic, p2w or whatnot, is they use manipulative and predatory techniques to target a specific and vulnerably portion of the gaming market. Which is fine so long as they play by certain accepted rules, similar to those enforced on casinos and lotteries and that some protections are put in place to dissuade or minimize it's access to minors.
I understand some folks have issues with state intervention with these types of things, I do not.
Ah, yes, people acted irrationally. What a twist to the economic concept that people act rationally. How do we draw the line between a profitable business and exploitive behavior?
Easy, you set a line once it is obvious that they crossed it so that nobody crosses it again. That's all you can do.
That's what this company and others are asking for by their actions.
And what is the appropriate line to draw? Is it "easy" to define?
It's easy enough that lawmakers already have several options. That means they already crossed a line set by quite a large number of people across the globe.
Lawmakers don't just do things, or vote in majority agreement to pass them, without a lot of their lobbyists/constituents asking for it, or some rich buddy of theirs which is unlikely in this case.0 -
Glenmorils✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »twitch_zero wrote: »
What a bunch of crap. How about some personal responsibility. Or are you saying people maybe even yourself are not capable of personal responsibility?
The company also has a responsibility to its consumers. Ethics and all that.1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Shouldn't the low odds teach people not to gamble, either in game or in real life?
You clearly don't understand how an addiction or compulsion work.
The issue with the way crates are implemented in many of these game, regardless of whether the items are cosmetic, p2w or whatnot, is they use manipulative and predatory techniques to target a specific and vulnerably portion of the gaming market. Which is fine so long as they play by certain accepted rules, similar to those enforced on casinos and lotteries and that some protections are put in place to dissuade or minimize it's access to minors.
I understand some folks have issues with state intervention with these types of things, I do not.
Ah, yes, people acted irrationally. What a twist to the economic concept that people act rationally. How do we draw the line between a profitable business and exploitive behavior?
Easy, you set a line once it is obvious that they crossed it so that nobody crosses it again. That's all you can do.
That's what this company and others are asking for by their actions.
And what is the appropriate line to draw? Is it "easy" to define?
It's easy enough that lawmakers already have several options. That means they already crossed a line set by quite a large number of people across the globe.
Lawmakers don't just do things, or vote in majority agreement to pass them, without a lot of their lobbyists/constituents asking for it, or some rich buddy of theirs which is unlikely in this case.
What options did the lawmakers take? I'm still not sure what line you are referring to how it's defined. Can you elaborate?
I.e., "The line is X. ZOS crossed the line because..."0