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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
For anyone wondering what the intentions of crowncrates
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CurlyQTip✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.Signatures are for losers8 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »people on console paying sub for this game, really?
Plebes on consoles pay a sub for every game they play online... and PC users pay an online service... That's kinda the concept of being "Online..."
Plebes? Do you feel better? Anyone who calls another a plebe because of the device they play a video game on is definetly part of the lower class.3 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.
Yeah there is a reason this generation has such issues. ZOS is not responsible to parent these kids. If the parents dont want to take the time to understand what games their kids are playing Thats on them nobody else. To try and put this on a video game company that rates their game mature is hilarious.Edited by Istoppucks on April 19, 2018 10:14PM2 -
Syncronaut✭✭✭Everyone should probaly spam famos youtubers mailboxes to make a video abauth them. The reaction would be greater.
Much easier than a strike.
The more people know, the more they talk abaut, the higher the chance something will change in industry. As its right now, i havent seen a single video abauth zos lootboxes, just overwatch and EA.2 -
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✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »people on console paying sub for this game, really?
Plebes on consoles pay a sub for every game they play online... and PC users pay an online service... That's kinda the concept of being "Online..."
Plebes? Do you feel better? Anyone who calls another a plebe because of the device they play a video game on is definetly part of the lower class.
i agree... this should not be about discriminating, for whatever reason, about the platform you use to play the game but about how the game is funded.
the people who work for for zos in whatever capacity, even marketing (there, i said it.... where's the bleach) have a reasonable expectation to receive some kind of remuneration for their work. the people who put up the money to fund the initial project expect a return on their investment. that's how the world works.... like it or not. that's how it works.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Thing is, those odds aren't even official.
At least my state lottery has to be upfront and honest about the odds of (not) breaking even and the various levels of prizes.
Why should they tell us? Players are willing to spend thousands to figure it out. If the players are willing to fork over cash to do it, why do they need to?
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✭.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »people on console paying sub for this game, really?
Plebes on consoles pay a sub for every game they play online... and PC users pay an online service... That's kinda the concept of being "Online..."
Plebes? Do you feel better? Anyone who calls another a plebe because of the device they play a video game on is definetly part of the lower class.
i agree... this should not be about discriminating, for whatever reason, about the platform you use to play the game but about how the game is funded.
the people who work for for zos in whatever capacity, even marketing (there, i said it.... where's the bleach) have a reasonable expectation to receive some kind of remuneration for their work. the people who put up the money to fund the initial project expect a return on their investment. that's how the world works.... like it or not. that's how it works.
Who knew that reskinning mounts was so expensive? I need to reconsider my career choice.PS4 Pro NA2 -
Lake✭✭✭✭✭I mean, they hired ex-SWTOR monetization expert Heather Powers. They clearly want ESO to go into that direction (although they ran SWTOR into the ground).11
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kongkim✭✭✭✭✭Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
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Jtj87✭✭✭This has become the new normal and some people seem content on just accepting it. They added radiant , and now they have muddied the drop pool for motifs. What's the next step to subtly drive up costs or push people to buy more? Because they won't stop there. Down the road they will try something new designed to make it harder and more expensive for people to get what they want from them. Oh wait...Maormer MOTIF PAGES in crown crates on the pts. So now, you have a chance at getting part of a motif/outfit you like and if you want all of it you have to buy a bunch of Crown Crates. When is enough...enough?
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CurlyQTip✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.
Yeah there is a reason this generation has such issues. ZOS is not responsible to parent these kids. If the parents dont want to take the time to understand what games their kids are playing Thats on them nobody else. To try and put this on a video game company that rates their game mature is hilarious.
And yet allowing it in games is ruining the industry with what amounts to unregulated and uncontrolled gambling.
ESRB was supposed to prevent this, they ignored it, now the government is stepping in, the ESRB was made so they wouldnt. That is a very bad sign for the industry, the government shouldn't have to step in at all yet here we are.Signatures are for losers5 -
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✭✭I do not like gambling in any form. Never got a crown crate, never will. Simples@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP1 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.
Yeah there is a reason this generation has such issues. ZOS is not responsible to parent these kids. If the parents dont want to take the time to understand what games their kids are playing Thats on them nobody else. To try and put this on a video game company that rates their game mature is hilarious.
And yet allowing it in games is ruining the industry with what amounts to unregulated and uncontrolled gambling.
ESRB was supposed to prevent this, they ignored it, now the government is stepping in, the ESRB was made so they wouldnt. That is a very bad sign for the industry, the government shouldn't have to step in at all yet here we are.
Ruining the industry no offense but you have not stated a single thing in here Thats been remotely accurate.
Video game sales and hardware were at an all time high in 2017 at over $14BILLION just in the US! Thats a far cry from being "ruined". I like to use facts and not emotions like you are doing.Edited by Istoppucks on April 19, 2018 10:51PM1 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they make content at the pace they have stated I do not care.
So far my pace for all games is:
1 new full questing zone.
1 new full raid.
1 new full group dungeon.
All released within one full year, not two, not three. All of that in one year. With that pace all players in PvE will get something they can chew on and use/buy. PvPers, I dunno. I don't PvP.
Games that failed to deliver: The secret world <Yes there are games that fail to meet that quota>
So far the yearly plan from what I see is:
Dungeon X2 - Example: Any dungeon DLC.
Chapter <Raid included each time?> - Example: Morrowind.
Content <Raid included each time?> - Example: Clockwork City is the best one I can think of.
They have exceeded my check list so they get a pass on selling fuzzy mounts and random crap I wouldn't use anyway. I think they mentioned 4 sets of content for this year too, though I am unsure atm.Edited by karekiz on April 19, 2018 10:57PM0 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Games are supposed to be harmless fun. This is not harmless fun and the lack of regulation here is *** atrocious.
Folk playing the 'control yourself' 'no one makes you buy them' cards clearly don't understand addiction and the insidious way that loot crates play off your brain to keep you hooked.
Ever used a fruit machine? Bright lights, quirky sounds, pretty colours. It is directly comparable with Crown crates (and indeed every loot box system).
CD Projeckt red chose to be different, to have a sense of morality and human decency with respect to their customers. Zo$ haven't. Apparently $150m a month just isn't enough. When all is said and done, CD Projeckt red will be remembered as one of the few companies to stand up against this crap whilst Zo$ - and by extension Bethesda as it is their IP that Zo$ is milking here failed to do the decent and correct thing.
People destroy their lives through addictions like gambling. Gaming, be it an FPS like COD or an RPG like elder scrolls has no place for exploitative practises like loot crates but sadly ethics appears to go out the window.
They aren't even offering a direct purchase alternative where you can just opt out of the gambling element and purchase what you want which makes what they are doing even more egregious as you are funnelled into gambling to access new content.PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion13 -
twitch_zero✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Wait...you're telling me the intention of this company is to make money? You mean like every other company out there? Someone alert the authorities ASAP!
So the only viable way of making money is via unregulated gambling?10 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »Games are supposed to be harmless fun. This is not harmless fun and the lack of regulation here is *** atrocious.
Folk playing the 'control yourself' 'no one makes you buy them' cards clearly don't understand addiction and the insidious way that loot crates play off your brain to keep you hooked.
Ever used a fruit machine? Bright lights, quirky sounds, pretty colours. It is directly comparable with Crown crates (and indeed every loot box system).
CD Projeckt red chose to be different, to have a sense of morality and human decency with respect to their customers. Zo$ haven't. Apparently $150m a month just isn't enough. When all is said and done, CD Projeckt red will be remembered as one of the few companies to stand up against this crap whilst Zo$ - and by extension Bethesda as it is their IP that Zo$ is milking here failed to do the decent and correct thing.
People destroy their lives through addictions like gambling. Gaming, be it an FPS like COD or an RPG like elder scrolls has no place for exploitative practises like loot crates but sadly ethics appears to go out the window.
They aren't even offering a direct purchase alternative where you can just opt out of the gambling element and purchase what you want which makes what they are doing even more egregious as you are funnelled into gambling to access new content.
If you cant handle it maybe its time for you to find a new hobby. Your doom and gloom is fun and all but its void of reality.1 -
CurlyQTip✭✭✭Like for real, this practice will get more and more common the more peoples gambling tendancies are exploited.
Should we deregulate casino's? After all, you dont HAVE to go there... right?Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.
Yeah there is a reason this generation has such issues. ZOS is not responsible to parent these kids. If the parents dont want to take the time to understand what games their kids are playing Thats on them nobody else. To try and put this on a video game company that rates their game mature is hilarious.
And yet allowing it in games is ruining the industry with what amounts to unregulated and uncontrolled gambling.
ESRB was supposed to prevent this, they ignored it, now the government is stepping in, the ESRB was made so they wouldnt. That is a very bad sign for the industry, the government shouldn't have to step in at all yet here we are.
Ruining the industry no offense but you have not stated a single thing in here Thats been remotely accurate.
Video game sales and hardware were at an all time high in 2017 at over $14BILLION just in the US! Thats a far cry from being "ruined". I like to use facts and not emotions like you are doing.
I would love to hear you talk to the swarms of people that got emotional over battlefront lad. Its not about emotion for me, dirty practices like lootboxes and pay2win, paid mods, etc make games worse off because its less for the consumer, more for the company.
I respect that they are made to make money for only so much. If you're only looking at the profit margins then you are looking at it from a shallow and shortsighted point of view that benefits shareholders more than the people actually paying for the games.
But hey, if you want games to have massive paywalls behind lootboxes that can cost an upwards of rens of thousands for half the content, your welcome to throw your money at shareholders my man. Be my guest.Edited by CurlyQTip on April 19, 2018 11:20PMSignatures are for losers6 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭Who is anyone to say how another should spend their money? People are fighting e with others spending thousands on housing, but spending $100 on some crates makes people suckers, gullible, enablersHere is the problem with statistics: They mean nothing to the individual. I personally don't buy crown crates, I see no reason whatsoever to do so, any more than I see any reason to buy lottery tickets. Honestly, its the same thing...I see it as a waste of money...some people dont...its not as if anyone forces you to buy them, they have no effect on gameplay, so whatever...Do yourself a favor: Think of it this way: If its in a crown crate...it doesn't exist...simple.
Celebrities play video games. Do you think 2k is even a small chunk of money to someone like that? Is it more than butt wiping money for them? What one may see as obscene, some enterprising kids might see as beer money.
I guess all the buyers could stop spending money, but where would this game end up without that income?
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CurlyQTip✭✭✭I would like to point out i am fine with lootboxes
But it has to go through gambling laws, age restrictions, regulations and all.
If you want gambling in your game, you are going to deal with the issues included with that.
If you can't sustain a business without it, do not run a business. Cant get more simple than that.Edited by CurlyQTip on April 19, 2018 11:25PMSignatures are for losers4 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Istoppucks wrote: »If you cant handle it maybe its time for you to find a new hobby. Your doom and gloom is fun and all but its void of reality.
You mean devoid of reality?
Great post though! Couldn't have added less to the discussion.PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion3 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭I would like to point out i am fine with lootboxes
But it has to go through gambling laws, age restrictions, regulations and all.
If you want gambling in your game, you are going to deal with the issues included with that.
If you can't sustain a business without it, do not run a business. Cant get more simple than that.
This is part of the problem though I think. There doesn't appear to be any regulation. Perhaps if there was regulation the drop rates could be strictly controlled to minimise the potential negative impact. Regulation might actually introduce enough red tape to control the sorts of games that decide to go down this road.PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion2 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭Like for real, this practice will get more and more common the more peoples gambling tendancies are exploited.
Should we deregulate casino's? After all, you dont HAVE to go there... right?Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Istoppucks wrote: »Pretty eye opening statistics that makes me never want to support this game ever again. I'll just leave this here and before all the you don't have to buy them comments. There is no defending this. I’m pretty sure they only give free crates out to trigger people to buy more once they’ve opened them. Didn’t get something you wanted? Maybe you’re more likely to get it next time. Got something good? Well why not just buy a few more in case you get something else you might like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8dasjl/crown_crate_statistical_analysis_how_much_do/
Not eye opening at all.
Gambling is an addiction that will, in time, take everything from you. If you are an adult, you should know this. If you are a kid you should not be participating (hence all the legal hullabaloo going on right now.)
Eso is rated "M" if a kid is playing and spending his parents money Thats an issue for the parents not ZOS.
You deeply over estimate how much parents understand or care
Parents expect video games to be generally harmless fun. The last thing they'd expect is literal gambling mechanics built into the game. Loot boxes are recent enough that the knowledge of them is still very much in the dark.
Yeah there is a reason this generation has such issues. ZOS is not responsible to parent these kids. If the parents dont want to take the time to understand what games their kids are playing Thats on them nobody else. To try and put this on a video game company that rates their game mature is hilarious.
And yet allowing it in games is ruining the industry with what amounts to unregulated and uncontrolled gambling.
ESRB was supposed to prevent this, they ignored it, now the government is stepping in, the ESRB was made so they wouldnt. That is a very bad sign for the industry, the government shouldn't have to step in at all yet here we are.
Ruining the industry no offense but you have not stated a single thing in here Thats been remotely accurate.
Video game sales and hardware were at an all time high in 2017 at over $14BILLION just in the US! Thats a far cry from being "ruined". I like to use facts and not emotions like you are doing.
I would love to hear you talk to the swarms of people that got emotional over battlefront lad. Its not about emotion for me, dirty practices like lootboxes and pay2win, paid mods, etc make games worse off because its less for the consumer, more for the company.
I respect that they are made to make money for only so much. If you're only looking at the profit margins then you are looking at it from a shallow and shortsighted point of view that benefits shareholders more than the people actually paying for the games.
But hey, if you want games to have massive paywalls behind lootboxes that can cost an upwards of rens of thousands for half the content, your welcome to throw your money at shareholders my man. Be my guest.
EA stock hit an all time high today that worked out well for all those emotional peoole. I dont do p2w hell i dont do loot boxes here but you have no right to tell others what they should be doing. You are not the morality police for them. If they have no issues spending money on virtual items good for them.
Those like you who think they can come in and push their fake moral high ground on others really need to find a new hobby.3 -
Istoppucks✭✭✭✭I would like to point out i am fine with lootboxes
But it has to go through gambling laws, age restrictions, regulations and all.
If you want gambling in your game, you are going to deal with the issues included with that.
If you can't sustain a business without it, do not run a business. Cant get more simple than that.
If you cant handle games with them dont play them.0 -
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✭✭✭It's intended to be addictive to keep you buying more of them. What people do with their disposable income is up to them. Sometimes I buy a crown crate with leftover sub crowns.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭Thing is, ZOS isn't FORCING us to buy these crates. You can't blame something just for existing more than you can blame those who make the conscious choice to partake. And I at least know I'm not the one who's shoving hundreds into these crates. At MOST I've ever done is buy the 15 pack one time, I don't buy any more even if I don't get anything good. And even then most of these seasons so far didn't have stuff I wanted.
Zenimax is a business. As long as they're not downright ripping us off or committing fraud with our cash, they can do what they want.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »
CD Projeckt red chose to be different, to have a sense of morality and human decency with respect to their customers. Zo$ haven't. Apparently $150m a month just isn't enough. When all is said and done, CD Projeckt red will be remembered as one of the few companies to stand up against this crap whilst Zo$ - and by extension Bethesda as it is their IP that Zo$ is milking here failed to do the decent and correct thing.
*Cough* GWENT *Cough*1 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Thing is, ZOS isn't FORCING us to buy these crates. You can't blame something just for existing more than you can blame those who make the conscious choice to partake. And I at least know I'm not the one who's shoving hundreds into these crates. At MOST I've ever done is buy the 15 pack one time, I don't buy any more even if I don't get anything good. And even then most of these seasons so far didn't have stuff I wanted.
Zenimax is a business. As long as they're not downright ripping us off or committing fraud with our cash, they can do what they want.
Virtually all new content is via Crown Crates, if you want to buy new content invariably you will need to buy crown crates to obtain that content.. sorry I mean have a chance of obtaining that conent. The decision to remove or fail to offer an alternative means to gain new content you're FORCED to gamble.
I'd class a 0.2% chance of getting a reward they use as their centre piece to the marketing campaign each Crown Crate run as ripping us off. (Unless Zo$ want to be transparent about their Crates and offer up the exact drop rates?)
You realise you're making excuses for a corporate entity right?PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion7
