Voice chat system for PC

badmojo · December 2017

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

I like how people mention using discord all the time as a reason ESO doesnt need voice chat.

"Bob, the office does't need telephones, I'm on my cell all day long."

One place I wouldn't want voice chat, is these forums.

@badmojo

It is more that 3rd party apps are superior to any in game voip. Your analogy is far from a worthy comparison. Not even close to the same.

Ummm... my cell phone is superior to my works landline phones. Just because my cell phone is better doesnt mean my coworkers shouldnt have the option to pick up the phone and talk to the secretary down the hall. You are suggesting that we should exchange cell numbers with everyone in the company rather than having a company wide phone system.

Point is that you already use discord in ESO, so voice communication is something you feel benefits the gameplay. You could still use discord if ESO had built in voip. But built in voip would give everyone a way to connect without having to exchange numbers prior to meeting.

Theres also situations where having everyone in the same discord server is unreasonable. Imagine a last emp keep push im cyrodiil where multiple 24 man groups are working along side each other. Do you want to have 50+ people talking in the same channel? Wouldnt it be better to have multiple discords going and then use ingame voip for inter-group communication. One group might be working on siegeing the front door while another hits the side, when one group gains entry a guy could run over and let them know via ingame voip, without having to type it out. This might be a very basic example where text would work just as good, but there might be situations where a little back and forth might be required between the groups leadership which is not so easy to type out while fighting.

Osteos · December 2017

Coming from console originally, it doesn't seem like such a radical idea.

Insandros · January 2018

Ingame voice chat would be great, my only concern, another potential items to cause massive lags...

Minyassa · January 2018

Kind of a nightmarish thought for someone like me, who can ONLY socialize with strangers in text and that's only because of the opportunity to backspace if I want to rephrase, and otherwise really think about what I say and how I say it. A lot of people with severe social anxiety manage to play social games because of the text interface, not being ambushed by a social interaction and having that buffer of typing time and correction. Adding realtime voice interaction with strangers would make it too much like real life. Some of us are here to get away from real life!

idk · January 2018

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

I like how people mention using discord all the time as a reason ESO doesnt need voice chat.

"Bob, the office does't need telephones, I'm on my cell all day long."

One place I wouldn't want voice chat, is these forums.

@badmojo

It is more that 3rd party apps are superior to any in game voip. Your analogy is far from a worthy comparison. Not even close to the same.

Ummm... my cell phone is superior to my works landline phones..

Grabbing at straws still. Strawman arguments do not really hold up.

Lets see, you indicated you were not certain what a major MMORPG is to avoid provided the name of one major MMORPG that has voip built into the Mac/PC servers. This may explain something. Heck, in one of your answers to that you asked when MMOs where created which is rather irrelevant and could only be taken as a misdirection or distraction attempt.

You have also failed to provide one solid reason for Zos to add voip to the game. That is rather relevant regardless if you think it is or not. Without that you wanting this is rather moot. It is not going to be added.

FYI, because you want it is not a solid reason.

Adernath · April 2018

I hope its not too late to call this a necro...

Voice chat would be an awesome feature for ESO if it is just for groups. I knew this system works very well in another game. It would make life so much easier than typing boss strategies into chat or organizing the use of a third party program for a pug group.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

It's never too late to call it a necro.

That's what makes it a necro.

The answers are still the same as when this first came up 4 years ago. Use a preexisting client. There are still several to choose from.

Adernath · April 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The answers are still the same as when this first came up 4 years ago. Use a preexisting client. There are still several to choose from.

Maybe I did not understand you correctly, but the point was to have it inside ESO, not via a third party program. It would make life so much easier. Currently some people use TS, others use Discord and in PuGs no one is really going through that procedure. An automatic voice chat would make life so much simpler.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

Adernath wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The answers are still the same as when this first came up 4 years ago. Use a preexisting client. There are still several to choose from.

Maybe I did not understand you correctly, but the point was to have it inside ESO, not via a third party program. It would make life so much easier. Currently some people use TS, others use Discord and in PuGs no one is really going through that procedure. An automatic voice chat would make life so much simpler.

What procedure? It's a single download followed by a link...!?

If you can browse to a website, you can connect to TS or Discord.

Implementing it in game is unnecessary, would require additional development and server resources, not to mention the additional traffic involved.

TS and Discord are popular because they're efficient, effective, and fairly simple to implement. Unless you're setting up your own server (this applies mainly to TS), there's really nothing to it.

No new implementation is going to be as effective as two different platforms that have done that, and only that, for years.

Peekachu99 · April 2018

Minyassa wrote: »

Kind of a nightmarish thought for someone like me, who can ONLY socialize with strangers in text and that's only because of the opportunity to backspace if I want to rephrase, and otherwise really think about what I say and how I say it. A lot of people with severe social anxiety manage to play social games because of the text interface, not being ambushed by a social interaction and having that buffer of typing time and correction. Adding realtime voice interaction with strangers would make it too much like real life. Some of us are here to get away from real life!

Omg. In voice chat you can opt to listen without connecting a mic. Indeed listening is often enough. Voice chat is exactly why I went back to console. You can literally clear VSP HM in an AF group (I did), simply because everyone is communicating.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

It's a great idea, except that some idiot will decide that the way to use it is to scream "U MAD BRO" into their mic to poison the audible world.

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Dawnblade wrote: »

Discord works, is free, and most players who want to voice chat or use voice for group content already have it - so why have ZOS spend resources on recreating something that already exists?

It doesn't work on random dungeon finder.

I don't care about zone chat. I don't even look at the zone text chat.

Orjix · April 2018

If it is introduced there better be a mute all, I don't want to listen to other people, I have my 2 friends on discord and that's all I ever want. God help me if I have to listen to others

Sekero · April 2018

pauli133 wrote: »

You know what the racist trolls in Glenumbra and Auridon need? The ability to broadcast their voices directly to the ears of other players. Yes. Definitely.

Just for inclusiveness. You ever been to Stonefalls? It's not much different there.

Adernath · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

What procedure? It's a single download followed by a link...!?

If you can browse to a website, you can connect to TS or Discord.

The procedure is, that you join a PuG (veteran for example) and no one will go back to Windows and install or download TS or Discord for this party, or create a channel.

Voice Chat is an automatic chat for groups so that this entire procedure of creating a seperate channel is not necessary. It is a great QoL improvement in comparison to third party programs.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Implementing it in game is unnecessary, would require additional development and server resources, not to mention the additional traffic involved.

The traffic is negligible, as others have already mentioned. The traffic from third party programs is already negligible. Development time for this feature is also not that big.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

TS and Discord are popular because they're efficient, effective, and fairly simple to implement. Unless you're setting up your own server (this applies mainly to TS), there's really nothing to it.

No new implementation is going to be as effective as two different platforms that have done that, and only that, for years.

Voice Chat is far more effective for PuGing. I know this because I played a different game in which this is implemented.

Reverb · May 2018

No way would I ever have that on. People’s inane chatter in test chat is one thing, I don’t want an auditory assault every time I log in or change zones.

badmojo · May 2018

Reverb wrote: »

No way would I ever have that on. People’s inane chatter in test chat is one thing, I don’t want an auditory assault every time I log in or change zones.

What if there were options for VOIP so you could set it to 'Everywhere' or 'Group Only' or 'Off'? Would you ever use it in a group dungeon setting?

Jameliel · May 2018

idk wrote: »

Oh god no. Most of us would turn it off. Those of us that have experienced nonsense chatter with in game voip understand how awful voip built into the game is. Just like the only game I played with built in voip, I would have to mute everyone due to inane chatter that would be going on.

Besides, we would have to endure all the threads about trolls in the voip.

Edit: the only reason console has voip is because they do not have access, or at least easy access, to the 3rd party voip servers such as TS and Discord. I seriously doubt Zos will add it to Mac/PC because it is just not needed.

Then turn it off. It in no way would it take away from your experience, and obviously, many of us would utilize it. SMH...mmos have been out forever with this common useful feature, and people still make all sorts of excuses on why it's better not to have in-game communications.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2018

As much as I really like the console chat ...for PC.....other than peoples desired choices, I don't think it would work unless Bethesda had a service like Xbox Live or PlayStation for all their games. Funny I use xbox app on PC now as I don't want to mess with discord.

KRBMMO · May 2018

I don't want to hear squeaky-voiced prepubescent boys raging at each other and I definitely wouldn't want ZOS' development team devoting resources to it.

KRBMMO · May 2018

Also yes - of course we need VOIP to add to the LAG. Great idea.

Dysturbed · May 2018

No way as bad a zone chat is. Voice would never be turned on.

Tai-Chi · May 2018

Personally, I am surprised that dedicated, ESO voice chat (for PC) was not implemented at launch and as such, I feel it is long overdue.

For me, the likes of TS and Discord are far too complicated and long-winded to set up and use. A simple system - with only a few options - would suit me just fine.

Like others before me have stated, dedicated voice chat really comes into its own when joining pug and random groups for one-off challenges. I find that very few people pay any attention to what is written in group-chat - probably because the window has faded or stopped scrolling.

To me, those players who can keep a solid rotation going, keep out of the red and pay attention to all the mechanics of Dungeon Bosses, whilst still being able to type and read in chat are like demigods. Praise and admiration where it is due.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · May 2018

Adernath wrote: »

I hope its not too late to call this a necro...

Voice chat would be an awesome feature for ESO if it is just for groups. I knew this system works very well in another game. It would make life so much easier than typing boss strategies into chat or organizing the use of a third party program for a pug group.

Loves_guars · May 2018

Everything in a dungeon can be explained writing it in chat, not to be mean to op , but have people lost the skill to write? Not only I can't speak fluent english, I don't even like using mic with my own language. I hate feeling attached to the headphones, having to listen what others are saying which is mostly unimportant. In games I like to relax and listen music or nothing.

If ths would be implemented, it would forced all of us to listen eventually even if we chose not to at the start.

ProfessorKittyhawk · May 2018

In game voice chat was what made me not invest anymore time in the ps4 version. Could only stand hearing people rustling bags of potato chips and smacking their lips while their children scream in the background for so long. Hearing it while trying to talk to a quest giver was irritating.

boldfacedtype · May 2018

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Everything in a dungeon can be explained writing it in chat, not to be mean to op , but have people lost the skill to write? Not only I can't speak fluent english, I don't even like using mic with my own language. I hate feeling attached to the headphones, having to listen what others are saying which is mostly unimportant. In games I like to relax and listen music or nothing.

If ths would be implemented, it would forced all of us to listen eventually even if we chose not to at the start.

Yes. All of the opposing opinions are completely right, but I just had two hellish Fungal Grotto II runs in a row where some communication would have really saved my blood pressure from spiking. It might be a nice option, in a perfect world, with optimal implementation of this hypothetical system.

Nightfall12 · May 2018

As a deaf person that gets excluded from trials because i can't listen to the 3rd party voice, and have people type well you can download it anyway you don't have to speak….i didn't say i'm mute I'm deaf( i can't distinguish what the words you are speaking are) I hear sound, so i can hear changes in music and stuff, but forget the mechanics talk.
If this became the normal tool of communication i would never have any interactions.
so call me selfish but this would effectively isolate others like me

Heka Cain · May 2018

YES!

Adernath · May 2018

I think the problem of this thread is that the OP is asking to much, by having chatter outside of a group. This is also something I do not want. But the main advantage of Voice Chat comes due to the automatic creation of a chat space for random groups.

It would just be an optional QoL improvement which should have the option to switch it off and on. If someone turns this off or don't have support for it, a symbol should indicate this visibly for the others so it would all be very transparent. As long as we would have this option, what are you all arguing about?

Want to use TS or Discord instead? Feel free to do it and organize a channel.
Don't understand spoken English? Turn it off. People see this in UI and use chat as before.
Don't have a micro? People see this in UI and use chat as before.
You don't want to hear others? Turn it off. People see this in UI and use chat as before.

And for once and all, it does not contribute to traffic in any significant way. This is also why current third party programs are working without affecting gameplay.