Voice chat system for PC

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

People do not use discord and teamspeak in pugs, which is basically what the OP is discussing. Not sure how people keep missing that. A universal voice chat OPTION hurts no one—and works brilliantly on console.

I would suggest reading the entire OP instead of the stopping after the first two sentances. The bulk of what he wants to see is clearly in zone.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

A lot of people seem to want to gouge their ears out with an ice pick rather then subject themselves to the possibility that they might be annoyed at some point, momentarily.

Sadly consoles do voice comms better for most games. And it seems like its due to popular demand, a lot of PC gamers would rather live in gated communities, even in so called social mmos like this one.

"But, like, I might hear someone talk or make a noise!" THE HORROR!

In game voip in open zone would be gouging our ears out. Not a mere possibility.

I have only seen in game voip used for groups and it was constantly filled with pointless and annoying chatter amongst "children" in a F2P game called Neverwinter. Pretty much every group I ended up in I was forced to mute a couple people due to their inane chatter.

ESO being B2P likely has enough of those "children" it would be annoying.

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

You speak with such certainty about something you admit to never having experienced.

Group chat is not the same as open world voip. In an open world you have the option to walk away(or mute) and hear nothing, in groups people are always talking directly into your ears because of the center position of their voices.

I would want a 3d positional voip system to be implemented for the open world areas. A system where the voices are directional and get louder and quieter depending on the distance. If you have never experienced such a system then you simply dont know.

Group chat I think is pretty straight forward, people being annoying on the mic will get vote kicked like they do in other games. When people get kicked from PUGs constantly they wont have much choice but to change their ways.

I suggest you read the post you quoted again. Either you misunderstood or somehow think that annoying person that was just in your random group is not going to be as annoying in zone. Zone that is filled with trolls and such.

Extremely doubtful. Highly improbable.

The difference is how much of your ears they get to scream into. In a group you hear the annoying person as if they were constantly having a face to face conversation with you. In an open world environment, their voice is only heard when you move your character close to theirs. An annoying person would literally have to chase you around screaming at you, which at that point you could simply mute them. .

So, in other words in game voip is completely fine since we are FORCED to move away from the idiots to avoid being annoyed by their absurd, and maybe even harassing, behavior.

I see the logic in that.

Besides, in game voip is substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs. Extremely rare to find it in top MMOs.

Get a discord server. Invite anyone you want to it.

Regardless, it is not happening. Zos has better sense than this, though not always obvious.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

People do not use discord and teamspeak in pugs, which is basically what the OP is discussing. Not sure how people keep missing that. A universal voice chat OPTION hurts no one—and works brilliantly on console.

I would suggest reading the entire OP instead of the stopping after the first two sentances. The bulk of what he wants to see is clearly in zone.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

A lot of people seem to want to gouge their ears out with an ice pick rather then subject themselves to the possibility that they might be annoyed at some point, momentarily.

Sadly consoles do voice comms better for most games. And it seems like its due to popular demand, a lot of PC gamers would rather live in gated communities, even in so called social mmos like this one.

"But, like, I might hear someone talk or make a noise!" THE HORROR!

In game voip in open zone would be gouging our ears out. Not a mere possibility.

I have only seen in game voip used for groups and it was constantly filled with pointless and annoying chatter amongst "children" in a F2P game called Neverwinter. Pretty much every group I ended up in I was forced to mute a couple people due to their inane chatter.

ESO being B2P likely has enough of those "children" it would be annoying.

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

You speak with such certainty about something you admit to never having experienced.

Group chat is not the same as open world voip. In an open world you have the option to walk away(or mute) and hear nothing, in groups people are always talking directly into your ears because of the center position of their voices.

I would want a 3d positional voip system to be implemented for the open world areas. A system where the voices are directional and get louder and quieter depending on the distance. If you have never experienced such a system then you simply dont know.

Group chat I think is pretty straight forward, people being annoying on the mic will get vote kicked like they do in other games. When people get kicked from PUGs constantly they wont have much choice but to change their ways.

I suggest you read the post you quoted again. Either you misunderstood or somehow think that annoying person that was just in your random group is not going to be as annoying in zone. Zone that is filled with trolls and such.

Extremely doubtful. Highly improbable.

Why play an MMO if you want to avoid all social interactions....good and bad.

This line is hilariously erroneous. I interact with others in game daily, yes via voip.

Have fun, I will enjoy my discord.

You are actively avoiding the potentional for bad social intetactions. You will only let the good ones happen. Its like living in a gated community, theres a whole world outside those walls. But fear of having to walk away from a conversation once in a while keeps you locked in your safe little cage.

Hey! I like my "cage". I deal with a lot of BS on a daily basis and when it's gaming time, I prefer to have options. Some days I'm up for socialising, others...not so much. I think my head would explode having to hear not only ambients, music but everyone nattering on around me.

I could easily see becoming a total hermit. Easier to ignore text than noise in one's ears. But, if it were an option, fine by me. So long as I don't have to listen to it.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

idk wrote: »

So, in other words in game voip is completely fine since we are FORCED to move away from the idiots to avoid being annoyed by their absurd, and maybe even harassing, behavior.

I see the logic in that.

Strawman argument. The real logic would be to turn it off if you didn't like it.

idk wrote: »

Besides, in game voip is substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs. Extremely rare to find it in top MMOs.

Yea? Which ones? What year were they made? Why limit your statement to the MMO genre and not all online games? Seems like a very vague statement that you are attempting to slip through as solid logic.

idk wrote: »

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

Necessity is irrelevant. Was housing needed? Are mount skins needed? Does anyone even need to play video games to begin with? Games are about providing enjoyable quality content.

No point you make adds the random encounter experience with random strangers. Instead, you write that experience off because you personally do not enjoy them. That's YOU.

Having a discord or teamspeak does not add these random encounters. Believe it or not, some of us like talking to random strangers. Perhaps you do not understand why, but the encounters can be entertaining. Just because you have had bad experiences does not mean that we should all go without a standard feature in online gaming.

Again, you make broad blanket statements about the 'MMO' genre, but when were these MMO's created? Times change and so do standards. Most online video game have had built in voice chat for years. Sure, you can connect to your discord with your friends... I can also call someone on my cell phone! Wow! But that's irrelevant to being in the game and encountering random people who you would otherwise never talk to. A feature that would always have the ability to toggle off.

And ZoS not having this on the list of features to add is also irrelevant. You're not going to end a discussion just because something is unlikely to happen. Your condescending dismissive attitude towards this subject is hardly constructive and full of illogical nonsense which only serves to confuse the issue. It's basically a 'I don't care for it so I will make every anecdotal claim I can think of to shut the people up' kind of BS. Seems like the tactic of a bootlicking shill.

NolaArch · December 2017

I want to say absolute hard no. Some of the comments show that group only, optional wouldn’t be the *worst* idea. Outside of groups? Nope.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

NolaArch wrote: »

I want to say absolute hard no. Some of the comments show that group only, optional wouldn’t be the *worst* idea. Outside of groups? Nope.

Not even optional? Just a flat no because you don’t like it. Seems selfish.

NolaArch · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Not even optional? Just a flat no because you don’t like it. Seems selfish.

Does it? Seems like quite a few people don’t want it outside of group. I’m simply adding my voice to the collective.

But I notice you’re arguing back with everyone who doesn’t agree with your position. Kind of aggressively, too.

If you want random encounters with people, go outside.

Nolic1 · December 2017

I have to agree with the OP the option for ingame viop would be amazing and yes I have played many games with it and its no where near as bad as text chat is in game right now. I can run into a group on EQ2 and ingame viop helps for pugs alot there as well as random grouping.

There are a few things though that would need to happen a toggle for it ether in the options like on the console version and there would need to be a block function for it as well not just mute. EQ2 allows those things so does LOTROs and DCUO also allows those features. So yeah they could add it and it would help in dungeons and trials for pugging and also while running delves public dungeons quests and many more things.

As for Cyrodil It only works for the faction your in there. So you can not talk to other players form other factions. As for RP it is not used by them much except for in groups and not to often outside of groups. Also xbox version works with keyboard chat I use one on there for faster typing but it only works for that.

Samadhi · December 2017

Gallowmere wrote: »

Wouldn't rly mind it if they added an English only "channel" & chat banned those who speak Gibberish on it.
But since i doubt that's ever gonna happen, i'd say that they are better off using their resources on fixing the current problems.

when you refer to banning players who speak "gibberish"
are you referring to actual gibberish
or the use of non-English languages?

Samadhi · December 2017

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

People do not use discord and teamspeak in pugs, which is basically what the OP is discussing. Not sure how people keep missing that. A universal voice chat OPTION hurts no one—and works brilliantly on console.

I would suggest reading the entire OP instead of the stopping after the first two sentances. The bulk of what he wants to see is clearly in zone.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

A lot of people seem to want to gouge their ears out with an ice pick rather then subject themselves to the possibility that they might be annoyed at some point, momentarily.

Sadly consoles do voice comms better for most games. And it seems like its due to popular demand, a lot of PC gamers would rather live in gated communities, even in so called social mmos like this one.

"But, like, I might hear someone talk or make a noise!" THE HORROR!

In game voip in open zone would be gouging our ears out. Not a mere possibility.

I have only seen in game voip used for groups and it was constantly filled with pointless and annoying chatter amongst "children" in a F2P game called Neverwinter. Pretty much every group I ended up in I was forced to mute a couple people due to their inane chatter.

ESO being B2P likely has enough of those "children" it would be annoying.

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

You speak with such certainty about something you admit to never having experienced.

Group chat is not the same as open world voip. In an open world you have the option to walk away(or mute) and hear nothing, in groups people are always talking directly into your ears because of the center position of their voices.

I would want a 3d positional voip system to be implemented for the open world areas. A system where the voices are directional and get louder and quieter depending on the distance. If you have never experienced such a system then you simply dont know.

Group chat I think is pretty straight forward, people being annoying on the mic will get vote kicked like they do in other games. When people get kicked from PUGs constantly they wont have much choice but to change their ways.

I suggest you read the post you quoted again. Either you misunderstood or somehow think that annoying person that was just in your random group is not going to be as annoying in zone. Zone that is filled with trolls and such.

Extremely doubtful. Highly improbable.

The difference is how much of your ears they get to scream into. In a group you hear the annoying person as if they were constantly having a face to face conversation with you. In an open world environment, their voice is only heard when you move your character close to theirs. An annoying person would literally have to chase you around screaming at you, which at that point you could simply mute them. .

So, in other words in game voip is completely fine since we are FORCED to move away from the idiots to avoid being annoyed by their absurd, and maybe even harassing, behavior.

I see the logic in that.
...

It is only harassing behaviour if it is a PvP player interfereing with a PvE player's content

voice and text harassment, regardless of where, when, or how it happens,
is typically treated as scenarios of 'you can block them, don't let them get to you'

***, my bad, thought you had left this comment on the thread about PvP players treating PvE players as 'carebears'
x-x

Bryanonymous · December 2017

NolaArch wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Not even optional? Just a flat no because you don’t like it. Seems selfish.

Does it? Seems like quite a few people don’t want it outside of group. I’m simply adding my voice to the collective.

But I notice you’re arguing back with everyone who doesn’t agree with your position. Kind of aggressively, too.

If you want random encounters with people, go outside.

I’m just pointing out that your only reason for saying no was a matter of personal preference. Is this a popularity vote or a discussion about why or why not voice chat should be added to PC? You basically added no relevant points, only a “hard no” because it’s your preference and you want to force it onto the rest of us. Then you pull the popularity card in an attempt to dismiss me pointing out that your opinion is a selfish one. You don’t even want it to be optional. You just don’t want it, even if some of us do. That’s selfish. I am being aggressive because some of the narrow minded opinions in this thread are the same nonsense that gets put into discussions like this every time they come up. There are good reasons for disagreeing, and then there is a subjective opinion without any logical reason other than personal feelings.

NolaArch · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

NolaArch wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Not even optional? Just a flat no because you don’t like it. Seems selfish.

Does it? Seems like quite a few people don’t want it outside of group. I’m simply adding my voice to the collective.

But I notice you’re arguing back with everyone who doesn’t agree with your position. Kind of aggressively, too.

If you want random encounters with people, go outside.

I’m just pointing out that your only reason for saying no was a matter of personal preference. Is this a popularity vote or a discussion about why or why not voice chat should be added to PC? You basically added no relevant points, only a “hard no” because it’s your preference and you want to force it onto the rest of us. Then you pull the popularity card in an attempt to dismiss me pointing out that your opinion is a selfish one. You don’t even want it to be optional. You just don’t want it, even if some of us do. That’s selfish. And I am being aggressive because some of the narrow minded opinions are the same nonsense that gets put into discussions like this every time they come up. There are good reasons for disagreeing, and then there is subjective opinion without any logical excuse. You sir are the latter.

First: It isn’t a matter of personal preference. That’s an assumption on your part. I don’t owe you my reasons. But I can say, as a woman —being only one reason—, voice chat invites BS I’d rather not deal with. Even if it’s optional, I find it hard to believe people wouldn’t badger those who opt out. You may think it doesn’t happen because it hasn’t/doesn’t happen to you, who knows. I find it difficult to believe it wouldn’t add a layer of BS to ESO a lot of players —myself included— don’t want. Not interested in it. Any reason beyond that isn’t owed to you. The potential for nonsense BS is reason enough. Also, my reasons are formed through experience, not subjectivity.

Second: I’m not trying to force anything on anyone. Totally presumptuous. I, as have others, simply stated my personal preference. Cool it.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

NolaArch wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

NolaArch wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Not even optional? Just a flat no because you don’t like it. Seems selfish.

Does it? Seems like quite a few people don’t want it outside of group. I’m simply adding my voice to the collective.

But I notice you’re arguing back with everyone who doesn’t agree with your position. Kind of aggressively, too.

If you want random encounters with people, go outside.

I’m just pointing out that your only reason for saying no was a matter of personal preference. Is this a popularity vote or a discussion about why or why not voice chat should be added to PC? You basically added no relevant points, only a “hard no” because it’s your preference and you want to force it onto the rest of us. Then you pull the popularity card in an attempt to dismiss me pointing out that your opinion is a selfish one. You don’t even want it to be optional. You just don’t want it, even if some of us do. That’s selfish. And I am being aggressive because some of the narrow minded opinions are the same nonsense that gets put into discussions like this every time they come up. There are good reasons for disagreeing, and then there is subjective opinion without any logical excuse. You sir are the latter.

First: It isn’t a matter of personal preference. That’s an assumption on your part. I don’t owe you my reasons. But I can say, as a woman —being only one reason—, voice chat invites BS I’d rather not deal with. Even if it’s optional, I find it hard to believe people wouldn’t badger those who opt out. You may think it doesn’t happen because it hasn’t/doesn’t happen to you, who knows. I find it difficult to believe it wouldn’t add a layer of BS to ESO a lot of players —myself included— don’t want. Not interested in it. Any reason beyond that isn’t owed to you. The potential for nonsense BS is reason enough. Also, my reasons are formed through experience, not subjectivity.

Second: I’m not trying to force anything on anyone. Totally presumptuous. I, as have others, simply stated my personal preference. Cool it.

While your reason for not wanting to use the feature yourself is perfectly legitimate, your reason for not having it added at all makes absolutely no sense. Again, you can just turn it off. I’ve never heard of any person being badgered for opting out of voice chat. That’s ridiculous.

As for your other point, I guess I saw the words “hard no” and expected a legitimate reason for it other than personal feelings. If your reason for saying no is because you feel like saying no and there is no other reason, you are entitled to that opinion. However I am entitled to point out that it is selfish. Freedom to express an opinion does not mean you are free from criticism.

And while you personally won’t be the one who decides on this feature, your opinion read as ‘if it were my choice, I would not even allow it to be optional’ which would be forcing your preference onto the rest of us. Usually, people expect a reason why beyond ‘because I said so’ if they don’t want to be considered close minded and selfish. Failure to provide said reason will result in someone like myself using my own freedom to point out that your opinion seems selfish.

NolaArch · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Freedom to express an opinion does not mean you are free from criticism.

Fair enough. But it’s a bit interesting that you’re arguing aggressively with anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion, and then doubling down by calling people who don’t agree with you selfish; even if their reasons are based in experience, not, as you said, “personal feelings.” All the while making assumptions about others while calling for logic in others’ positions. Come on, man.

Which brings me to this point I made: “You may think it doesn’t happen because it hasn’t/doesn’t happen to you, who knows.” Just because you haven’t experienced it or heard about it, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to other people. There is are many reasons I prefer ESO on PC, but no in-game voice chat is one of them. Past experiences alone are enough to preemptively say, “Nope. Don’t want that here.”

Lastly, I didn’t say hard no. I said, and I quote, “I *want* to say absolute hard no. However...” This implies I’m open to at least some version of PC voice chat. So you’re aggressively arguing and calling me selfish over something I didn’t even actually say. Also, you’re not actually entitled to give everyone you disagree with the business on these here forums. You’re permitted to. There is a difference.

I’m not trying to argue with here on the forums. It would be nice if you could just find a way to not call people selfish and argue because they don’t want something that you do. Find some of that leftover holiday cheer and have a good New Year!

Bryanonymous · December 2017

It’s not selfish if you don’t like the feature. It’s not selfish if you would not use the feature. What is selfish is saying that no one should have the feature and then not giving a reason for that. If you are able to turn the feature off, and it no longer has any effect on you, what is the reason no one else should be able to use it? Without a reason, I assume the preference is a selfish one.

If you personally were harassed by someone for not using voice chat, I won’t say it didn’t happen, but I have never read anything like that in any discussion on this game or any others in the many years I have been gaming online. I know women have certain hardships that men take for granted, but if someone was harassing you, block and report. What I am saying is that if such harassment was common, I think there would have been at least one thread on the subject. I’m sure these incidents do happen. I just don’t see how that means the feature should not exist at all. Again, you can block and report anyone who harasses you.

Linaleah · December 2017

the only reason console games have voice chat is becasue typing with a controller is incredibly crappy. on a pc, we have keyboards.

given conversations in zone chat, do you honestly, genuinely want to have those conversations in voice? WHY? third party programs already allow for voice communication that tends to have better sound quality, less lag etc for organized group content. you don't need to be friends in discord, you just need to be invited into the same channel and have voice channel permissions enabled by channel owner. becasue its free, anyone can create their own channel and invite whoever they feel like into it. and best part? you don't even need to download it. it works just as well when you open it as a browser window.

there is literally no need to spend resources on integrated voice chat.

Kanar · December 2017

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Not needed. l2type

Show me a video where you are typing while in a battlegrounds match and fighting at the same time.

Learn to type, gtf out of here that's the dumbest response yet in this thread.

What you can't play a match without voice? Do you not know how to play and need someone else to tell you what to do?

Every other pug in there has the same limitation so it's not a problem. Or do you think your pug could compete against a pre-made, if only you had voice chat? Haha, right voice is your only problem.

I suggest you l2type because in-game voice isn't happening

idk · December 2017

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

People do not use discord and teamspeak in pugs, which is basically what the OP is discussing. Not sure how people keep missing that. A universal voice chat OPTION hurts no one—and works brilliantly on console.

I would suggest reading the entire OP instead of the stopping after the first two sentances. The bulk of what he wants to see is clearly in zone.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

A lot of people seem to want to gouge their ears out with an ice pick rather then subject themselves to the possibility that they might be annoyed at some point, momentarily.

Sadly consoles do voice comms better for most games. And it seems like its due to popular demand, a lot of PC gamers would rather live in gated communities, even in so called social mmos like this one.

"But, like, I might hear someone talk or make a noise!" THE HORROR!

In game voip in open zone would be gouging our ears out. Not a mere possibility.

I have only seen in game voip used for groups and it was constantly filled with pointless and annoying chatter amongst "children" in a F2P game called Neverwinter. Pretty much every group I ended up in I was forced to mute a couple people due to their inane chatter.

ESO being B2P likely has enough of those "children" it would be annoying.

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

You speak with such certainty about something you admit to never having experienced.

Group chat is not the same as open world voip. In an open world you have the option to walk away(or mute) and hear nothing, in groups people are always talking directly into your ears because of the center position of their voices.

I would want a 3d positional voip system to be implemented for the open world areas. A system where the voices are directional and get louder and quieter depending on the distance. If you have never experienced such a system then you simply dont know.

Group chat I think is pretty straight forward, people being annoying on the mic will get vote kicked like they do in other games. When people get kicked from PUGs constantly they wont have much choice but to change their ways.

I suggest you read the post you quoted again. Either you misunderstood or somehow think that annoying person that was just in your random group is not going to be as annoying in zone. Zone that is filled with trolls and such.

Extremely doubtful. Highly improbable.

The difference is how much of your ears they get to scream into. In a group you hear the annoying person as if they were constantly having a face to face conversation with you. In an open world environment, their voice is only heard when you move your character close to theirs. An annoying person would literally have to chase you around screaming at you, which at that point you could simply mute them. .

So, in other words in game voip is completely fine since we are FORCED to move away from the idiots to avoid being annoyed by their absurd, and maybe even harassing, behavior.

I see the logic in that.

Besides, in game voip is substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs. Extremely rare to find it in top MMOs.

Get a discord server. Invite anyone you want to it.

Regardless, it is not happening. Zos has better sense than this, though not always obvious.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

People do not use discord and teamspeak in pugs, which is basically what the OP is discussing. Not sure how people keep missing that. A universal voice chat OPTION hurts no one—and works brilliantly on console.

I would suggest reading the entire OP instead of the stopping after the first two sentances. The bulk of what he wants to see is clearly in zone.

badmojo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

A lot of people seem to want to gouge their ears out with an ice pick rather then subject themselves to the possibility that they might be annoyed at some point, momentarily.

Sadly consoles do voice comms better for most games. And it seems like its due to popular demand, a lot of PC gamers would rather live in gated communities, even in so called social mmos like this one.

"But, like, I might hear someone talk or make a noise!" THE HORROR!

In game voip in open zone would be gouging our ears out. Not a mere possibility.

I have only seen in game voip used for groups and it was constantly filled with pointless and annoying chatter amongst "children" in a F2P game called Neverwinter. Pretty much every group I ended up in I was forced to mute a couple people due to their inane chatter.

ESO being B2P likely has enough of those "children" it would be annoying.

Not to worry, Zos very likely has no interest in adding voip to PC due to the lack of need for it.

You speak with such certainty about something you admit to never having experienced.

Group chat is not the same as open world voip. In an open world you have the option to walk away(or mute) and hear nothing, in groups people are always talking directly into your ears because of the center position of their voices.

I would want a 3d positional voip system to be implemented for the open world areas. A system where the voices are directional and get louder and quieter depending on the distance. If you have never experienced such a system then you simply dont know.

Group chat I think is pretty straight forward, people being annoying on the mic will get vote kicked like they do in other games. When people get kicked from PUGs constantly they wont have much choice but to change their ways.

I suggest you read the post you quoted again. Either you misunderstood or somehow think that annoying person that was just in your random group is not going to be as annoying in zone. Zone that is filled with trolls and such.

Extremely doubtful. Highly improbable.

Why play an MMO if you want to avoid all social interactions....good and bad.

This line is hilariously erroneous. I interact with others in game daily, yes via voip.

Have fun, I will enjoy my discord.

You are actively avoiding the potentional for bad social intetactions. You will only let the good ones happen. Its like living in a gated community, theres a whole world outside those walls. But fear of having to walk away from a conversation once in a while keeps you locked in your safe little cage.

LOL. No, quite the opposite. I interact often. I interact via voip often. BTW, none of you have mentioned one thing that would make having in game voip worth it. Not one of you. Most of what the OP stated is just wanting to hear the trolls and such. He stated that much through most of his OP.

However, it is you that want to force me to find a different area to avoid the trolls and idiots in the area I want to be. It also seems to be you that want to hear every john and jane cough and sneeze and clear their through.

Not to worry, this will not happen. Zos has to much sense to go down such absurd path. Just a bad idea altogether.

BTW, name one good solid MMORPG that is not geared to children or the completely poor that has in game voip that is not a cross platform game. Exactly, there is not one. End of story.

Bye Bye

Linaleah · December 2017

last but not least. text has one gigantic advantage over voice. aside from the whole "not speaking all at once, so you cannot hear what anyone said" deal.. if you missed something - you can scroll back and read it! you cannot scroll back with voice.

so to reiterate - the ONLY reason consoles have integrated voice is not becasue its superior. on the contrary. the only reason they have it is because text is close to impossible. if consoles had better typing tools? do you think anyone would use voice for general communication? hell no. no one likes to listen to someone randomly breathe or chew, no one likes to try and get their sentence in while other people are trying to speak, or have to move away just to hear that one person they are trying to hear without having to group, or just have to perpetually mute your chat because its full of nonsense. voice chat has its place. - organized group content. and we already have variety of means for that.

rteezy · December 2017

use discord like normal people...easy to create a server and send a direct link invite

Bryanonymous · December 2017

idk wrote: »

BTW, none of you have mentioned one thing that would make having in game voip worth it. Not one of you.

We have. The reason is because we want to talk to random people without requiring each individual to join a separate third party private server.

What you define as ‘good reason’ is an opinion. In my opinion, my reason is good.

idk wrote: »

However, it is you that want to force me to find a different area to avoid the trolls and idiots in the area I want to be. It also seems to be you that want to hear every john and jane cough and sneeze and clear their through.

Again, you can just turn it off.

Linaleah wrote: »

last but not least. text has one gigantic advantage over voice. aside from the whole "not speaking all at once, so you cannot hear what anyone said" deal.. if you missed something - you can scroll back and read it! you cannot scroll back with voice.

so to reiterate - the ONLY reason consoles have integrated voice is not becasue its superior. on the contrary. the only reason they have it is because text is close to impossible. if consoles had better typing tools? do you think anyone would use voice for general communication? hell no. no one likes to listen to someone randomly breathe or chew, no one likes to try and get their sentence in while other people are trying to speak, or have to move away just to hear that one person they are trying to hear without having to group, or just have to perpetually mute your chat because its full of nonsense. voice chat has its place. - organized group content. and we already have variety of means for that.

I don’t know if you are aware, but it is possible to have both voice chat and text chat. I know, crazy right?

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

Katahdin · December 2017

I would not use it because I dont want to hear random people say all kinds of crap or beg in voice chat for gold, or whatever.
There are people that endlessly type drivel in zone chat all the time, and say stupid, childish crap all the time. Voice chat will just give them a microphone for more of the same so No thanks.

I use 3rd party voice coms for when I want to be social or when I am doing a group activity that needs that kind of communication. In fact I am in a TS or discord with one or more people almost all the time anyway.

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Linaleah · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

idk wrote: »

BTW, none of you have mentioned one thing that would make having in game voip worth it. Not one of you.

We have. The reason is because we want to talk to random people without requiring each individual to join a separate third party private server.

What you define as ‘good reason’ is an opinion. In my opinion, my reason is good.

idk wrote: »

However, it is you that want to force me to find a different area to avoid the trolls and idiots in the area I want to be. It also seems to be you that want to hear every john and jane cough and sneeze and clear their through.

Again, you can just turn it off.

Linaleah wrote: »

last but not least. text has one gigantic advantage over voice. aside from the whole "not speaking all at once, so you cannot hear what anyone said" deal.. if you missed something - you can scroll back and read it! you cannot scroll back with voice.

so to reiterate - the ONLY reason consoles have integrated voice is not becasue its superior. on the contrary. the only reason they have it is because text is close to impossible. if consoles had better typing tools? do you think anyone would use voice for general communication? hell no. no one likes to listen to someone randomly breathe or chew, no one likes to try and get their sentence in while other people are trying to speak, or have to move away just to hear that one person they are trying to hear without having to group, or just have to perpetually mute your chat because its full of nonsense. voice chat has its place. - organized group content. and we already have variety of means for that.

I don’t know if you are aware, but it is possible to have both voice chat and text chat. I know, crazy right?

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

what you are asking for is for ZoS to expend resources to create something that is NOT. necessary. becasue we HAVE voice chat alternative AND text chat already. you are asking ZoS to use their resources for something that is redundant vs things like quality of life improvements. yes, its a versus - their time and resources are NOT unlimited.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

idk wrote: »

BTW, none of you have mentioned one thing that would make having in game voip worth it. Not one of you.

We have. The reason is because we want to talk to random people without requiring each individual to join a separate third party private server.

What you define as ‘good reason’ is an opinion. In my opinion, my reason is good.

idk wrote: »

However, it is you that want to force me to find a different area to avoid the trolls and idiots in the area I want to be. It also seems to be you that want to hear every john and jane cough and sneeze and clear their through.

Again, you can just turn it off.

Linaleah wrote: »

last but not least. text has one gigantic advantage over voice. aside from the whole "not speaking all at once, so you cannot hear what anyone said" deal.. if you missed something - you can scroll back and read it! you cannot scroll back with voice.

so to reiterate - the ONLY reason consoles have integrated voice is not becasue its superior. on the contrary. the only reason they have it is because text is close to impossible. if consoles had better typing tools? do you think anyone would use voice for general communication? hell no. no one likes to listen to someone randomly breathe or chew, no one likes to try and get their sentence in while other people are trying to speak, or have to move away just to hear that one person they are trying to hear without having to group, or just have to perpetually mute your chat because its full of nonsense. voice chat has its place. - organized group content. and we already have variety of means for that.

I don’t know if you are aware, but it is possible to have both voice chat and text chat. I know, crazy right?

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

what you are asking for is for ZoS to expend resources to create something that is NOT. necessary. becasue we HAVE voice chat alternative AND text chat already. you are asking ZoS to use their resources for something that is redundant vs things like quality of life improvements. yes, its a versus - their time and resources are NOT unlimited.

It’s not redundant because a third party app is not built into the game so random people will never make the effort to join a private server just to speak to each other. You could easily make the same arguement that people have cell phones so why use discord when they can just call each other. It’s a ridiculous statement that neglects important details about ease of access.

And the resource arguement... smh. It’s not hard to implement. Most features added to new games are not necessary. They are added to make the experience more enjoyable by giving players more options.

Now what other nonsense do you have to reply with? It’s just amazing the level of effort people like you put into making up such flawed arguments.

idk · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

The final paragraph, in this case sentance, are often the most important ones made. This one just comes off as an extreme stretch in an attempt to make a point. Yet it obviously does not.

There is a reason no major MMORPG has implemented in game voip to PC games. It has always been substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs.

It is not for me to demonstrate it should not be added. It is for you to demonstrate it should be added. Without a compelling reason Zos will not be adding voip to the Mac/PC servers. Again, no one has provided a compelling reason in this thread. None.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

idk wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

The final paragraph, in this case sentance, are often the most important ones made. This one just comes off as an extreme stretch in an attempt to make a point. Yet it obviously does not.

There is a reason no major MMORPG has implemented in game voip to PC games. It has always been substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs.

It is not for me to demonstrate it should not be added. It is for you to demonstrate it should be added. Without a compelling reason Zos will not be adding voip to the Mac/PC servers. Again, no one has provided a compelling reason in this thread. None.

Easily demonstrated. Play GTA:Online. Random conversations can be fun. Many people turn them off. The feature is standard. No one argues it shouldn’t exist.

Your mmo standards are outdated. Your vision is short sighted and your personal expectations do not reach beyond whatever bubble you choose to associate with. Perfectly fine choice for you, but the fact that you think it is perfectly fine for everyone else is not only irritating, it’s an obvious flaw in your ability to understand basic concepts of what other people might enjoy.

Or you just want to play devils advocate because you are enjoying the frustration that you cause every time you respond with nonsense. While your arguments are easy to debunk, you have become so ridiculously illogical that you are a waste of my time.

Linaleah · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

idk wrote: »

BTW, none of you have mentioned one thing that would make having in game voip worth it. Not one of you.

We have. The reason is because we want to talk to random people without requiring each individual to join a separate third party private server.

What you define as ‘good reason’ is an opinion. In my opinion, my reason is good.

idk wrote: »

However, it is you that want to force me to find a different area to avoid the trolls and idiots in the area I want to be. It also seems to be you that want to hear every john and jane cough and sneeze and clear their through.

Again, you can just turn it off.

Linaleah wrote: »

last but not least. text has one gigantic advantage over voice. aside from the whole "not speaking all at once, so you cannot hear what anyone said" deal.. if you missed something - you can scroll back and read it! you cannot scroll back with voice.

so to reiterate - the ONLY reason consoles have integrated voice is not becasue its superior. on the contrary. the only reason they have it is because text is close to impossible. if consoles had better typing tools? do you think anyone would use voice for general communication? hell no. no one likes to listen to someone randomly breathe or chew, no one likes to try and get their sentence in while other people are trying to speak, or have to move away just to hear that one person they are trying to hear without having to group, or just have to perpetually mute your chat because its full of nonsense. voice chat has its place. - organized group content. and we already have variety of means for that.

I don’t know if you are aware, but it is possible to have both voice chat and text chat. I know, crazy right?

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

what you are asking for is for ZoS to expend resources to create something that is NOT. necessary. becasue we HAVE voice chat alternative AND text chat already. you are asking ZoS to use their resources for something that is redundant vs things like quality of life improvements. yes, its a versus - their time and resources are NOT unlimited.

It’s not redundant because a third party app is not built into the game so random people will never make the effort to join a private server just to speak to each other. You could easily make the same arguement that people have cell phones so why use discord when they can just call each other. It’s a ridiculous statement that neglects important details about ease of access.

And the resource arguement... smh. It’s not hard to implement. Most features added to new games are not necessary. They are added to make the experience more enjoyable by giving players more options.

Now what other nonsense do you have to reply with? It’s just amazing the level of effort people like you put into making up such flawed arguments.

the only person talking nonsense? is YOU. if random people want to chat in voice, they DO in fact join the voice channels otherwise they either chat by typing or don't chat at all, because they don't feel like chatting and right now, they don't have to try and remember to mute their voip every time they log in becasue otherwise, there's all this random chatter all over the bloody place whether they like it or not.

moreover. god, the armchair development of yours... how do you KNOW its easy to implement? are you a programer? are you intimately familiar with the engine ZOS is using? have you actualy implemented features before?

there is a difference between introducing quality of life features, like.. I don't know better guild store search functions since consoles do NOT have an alternative in form of addons, and introducing a feature to pc that DOES have a better alternative already.

and since you brought up cellphones.. aside from the whole "discord is NOT the same as a personal phone" there is a reason why texting exists and why its so popular to the point where people use it much more often then they actualy use voice. why? becasue its fast, convenient and if if you forget something, you can always go back and reread it quickly.

there is NOTHING about adding in game voice that will improve the game for its populace. best case scenario, it will remain a status quo when most people will just disable the feature most of the time and continue to type. worst case scenario, it will add to already pervasive performance issues, WHILE people continue to keep using third party programs.

funny thing about GTA online. I did a google search and like second result was this thread https://steamcommunity.com/app/271590/discussions/0/405691491124595667/

idk · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

And yet again, if you didn’t like all the breathing, you could just turn it off.

The final paragraph, in this case sentance, are often the most important ones made. This one just comes off as an extreme stretch in an attempt to make a point. Yet it obviously does not.

There is a reason no major MMORPG has implemented in game voip to PC games. It has always been substandard in every manner to 3rd party systems and is mostly found only in second rate MMOs.

It is not for me to demonstrate it should not be added. It is for you to demonstrate it should be added. Without a compelling reason Zos will not be adding voip to the Mac/PC servers. Again, no one has provided a compelling reason in this thread. None.

Easily demonstrated. Play GTA:Online. Random conversations can be fun. Many people turn them off. The feature is standard. No one argues it shouldn’t exist.

Your mmo standards are outdated. Your vision is short sighted and your personal expectations do not reach beyond whatever bubble you choose to associate with. Perfectly fine choice for you, but the fact that you think it is perfectly fine for everyone else is not only irritating, it’s an obvious flaw in your ability to understand basic concepts of what other people might enjoy.

Or you just want to play devils advocate because you are enjoying the frustration that you cause every time you respond with nonsense. While your arguments are easy to debunk, you have become so ridiculously illogical that you are a waste of my time.

OMG. Lol. Try naming major MMORPGs and nothing that's cross platform, though can only think of one MMORPG that might be considered major and might be cross platform. It's substandard to ESO.

Calling my MMORPG statements outdated is false information since you still have yet to come up with one major MMORPG that has In game voip.

I understand you want it but as the last post in here states, you comments make zero sense consistency. Besides, it's clear that you are in an extremely snall group that is interested in this.

You have yet to provide Zos with solid reasoning that voip should be adding to the MAC/PC servers. Until the this is a moot issue.

teiselaise · December 2017

Yes please, but no proximity please, the cities would be messed up, if they where to make it they, wich I really hope they do, they should go in depth in it and make stuff like channels that doesn't depend on group/guild, and the community should accept that not all people are confident speaking to strangers, especially if English is not their mother language, myself included, I love systems like those though since it helps me kill the introvert in me

badmojo · December 2017

I like how people mention using discord all the time as a reason ESO doesnt need voice chat.

"Bob, the office does't need telephones, I'm on my cell all day long."

One place I wouldn't want voice chat, is these forums.

Samadhi · December 2017

badmojo wrote: »

...
One place I wouldn't want voice chat, is these forums.

Why not?

My recollection may be incorrect
but think the forum already has a ignore feature available
you can just ignore anyone you don't want to read/hear on the forums

idk · December 2017

badmojo wrote: »

I like how people mention using discord all the time as a reason ESO doesnt need voice chat.

"Bob, the office does't need telephones, I'm on my cell all day long."

One place I wouldn't want voice chat, is these forums.

@badmojo

It is more that 3rd party apps are superior to any in game voip. Your analogy is far from a worthy comparison. Not even close to the same.