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Voice chat system for PC
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The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭How does the voice chat work on consoles in Cyrodiil? Can you talk to the enemy? How far away can you be heard? Can you tell direction?
In cyrodiil having in game voice chat is very helpful for organizing groups. Most people don't want to join a random discord and are concerned giving out that information in the first place due to players having characters on multiple alliances.
The only toxicity you see is in area chat. Stay out of area chat and you're good. In game voice chat needs to be implemented for pc. It is, after all, optional either way so there's literally no downside.0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »melek-taus wrote: »...
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. ...
Ew, nomelek-taus wrote: »...
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. ...
People already do this,
in part because doing so can potentially distract the target by making them stop to type
but having people whisper creepily in your ear would do something to the PvP experiencemelek-taus wrote: »...
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
...
Does this happen much outside of small towns?
Wasn't there some big hubbub over some sort of 'Street Harassment' video documenting occurrences of it in cities?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAC7nl5n2g
Are you suggesting that having in-game voice chat will lead to harassment? ....
No, am pointing out that it already happens in text chat while in cities and doing questsApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat on consoles is generally way less toxic than the text chat.
That's nice,
in-game voice chat on PC in Overwatch is generally way more toxic than the text chat
it is part of what keeps me on hiatus from the game as an online community while having returned to ESO
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
See no valid reasoning for it to be implemented, so whether or not people would be able to behave does not impact that
have simply voiced personal distaste for the idea in addition to that,
hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair
PC has superior alternatives for people who wish to use voice chat; Console does not
see no reason for resources to be spent on developing something extraneous for PC due to limitations of consoles
text chat on a platform with keyboards as a primary input device is sufficient for all general interactions,
for anything more organized it is primarily egotism or laziness inhibiting people from joining an existing teamspeak or discord server"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on December 29, 2017 4:31PM3 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »melek-taus wrote: »...
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. ...
Ew, nomelek-taus wrote: »...
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. ...
People already do this,
in part because doing so can potentially distract the target by making them stop to type
but having people whisper creepily in your ear would do something to the PvP experiencemelek-taus wrote: »...
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
...
Does this happen much outside of small towns?
Wasn't there some big hubbub over some sort of 'Street Harassment' video documenting occurrences of it in cities?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAC7nl5n2g
Are you suggesting that having in-game voice chat will lead to harassment? ....
No, am pointing out that it already happens in text chat while in cities and doing questsApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat on consoles is generally way less toxic than the text chat.
That's nice,
in-game voice chat on PC in Overwatch is generally way more toxic than the text chat
it is part of what keeps me on hiatus from the game as an online community while having returned to ESO
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
See no valid reasoning for it to be implemented, so whether or not people would be able to behave does not impact that
have simply voiced personal distaste for the idea in addition to that,
hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair
PC has superior alternatives for people who wish to use voice chat; Console does not
see no reason for resources to be spent on developing something extraneous for PC due to limitations of consoles
text chat on a platform with keyboards as a primary input device is sufficient for all general interactions,
for anything more organized it is primarily egotism or laziness inhibiting people from joining an existing teamspeak or discord server
Please provide evidence of me becoming emotionally invested in this. We are having this discussion because you said that people will not behave in voice chat. I am telling you that this isn't the case. You said that you literally quit playing a game because of things people said in voice chat. Doesn't seem like I'm the one with emotional issues here.
In-game voice chat would be easier to use than a 3rd party application that needs to run in the background. It's very nice on console that whenever I join a group for a dungeon in the activity finder I can instantly talk to the randoms and ask if anyone needs drops or mechanics explained. If anyone doesn't like the chat they can leave the channel and never come back. No problems. It's alot harder to explain mechanics to a dungeon over text or to say "hey guys heres my discord can you please join?"
Also idk how "egotism" plays into this at all.3 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.2 -
ProfesseurFreder✭✭✭✭✭Could someone point me to a link on HOW Discord works? I'm a member there but to me it's just a chat forum, and I don't see any helpful pages on how to use it as a chat system with ESO.
A decent chat system in-game would negate the need for voice chat, though. The in-game chat system is the biggest pile of stinking crap ever."Nothing by which all human passion and hope and folly can be mirrored and then proved ever was just a game."
-- William Faulkner.1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »melek-taus wrote: »...
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. ...
Ew, nomelek-taus wrote: »...
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. ...
People already do this,
in part because doing so can potentially distract the target by making them stop to type
but having people whisper creepily in your ear would do something to the PvP experiencemelek-taus wrote: »...
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
...
Does this happen much outside of small towns?
Wasn't there some big hubbub over some sort of 'Street Harassment' video documenting occurrences of it in cities?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAC7nl5n2g
Are you suggesting that having in-game voice chat will lead to harassment? ....
No, am pointing out that it already happens in text chat while in cities and doing questsApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat on consoles is generally way less toxic than the text chat.
That's nice,
in-game voice chat on PC in Overwatch is generally way more toxic than the text chat
it is part of what keeps me on hiatus from the game as an online community while having returned to ESO
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
See no valid reasoning for it to be implemented, so whether or not people would be able to behave does not impact that
have simply voiced personal distaste for the idea in addition to that,
hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair
PC has superior alternatives for people who wish to use voice chat; Console does not
see no reason for resources to be spent on developing something extraneous for PC due to limitations of consoles
text chat on a platform with keyboards as a primary input device is sufficient for all general interactions,
for anything more organized it is primarily egotism or laziness inhibiting people from joining an existing teamspeak or discord server
Please provide evidence of me becoming emotionally invested in this. ...
Simply expressed my hope that you had not,
as you already made an arbitrary comment regarding the constitution of my skin
based on your erroneous interpretation of my position on an issue
never made an assertion that you were emotionally invested
not sure how you came to that assumption with regards to my statement, unless you incorrectly read the words that were writtenApache_Kid wrote: »... We are having this discussion because you said that people will not behave in voice chat. I am telling you that this isn't the case. You said that you literally quit playing a game because of things people said in voice chat. Doesn't seem like I'm the one with emotional issues here.
...
My statement was that the toxicity of Overwatch voice chat
compared to the innocuous nature of ESO with its absence of voice chat
has, in part, extended my hiatus from Overwatch and left me with more focus on ESO
Not certain how you interpret that as my having quit playing because of things said -- the influencing factor for my leaving was the state and changes of Mercy as a healer and Team/Solo rezerApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat would be easier to use than a 3rd party application that needs to run in the background. ..
not particularly
Personally find having to constantly mute people and/or deal with complaints of my voice comms being turned off
to be far more troubling to deal with than booting up a program in a user-friendly interface for doing soApache_Kid wrote: »... It's very nice on console that whenever I join a group for a dungeon in the activity finder I can instantly talk to the randoms and ask if anyone needs drops or mechanics explained. ...
Are you not able to do this on PC with text?
Personally do so, but run dungeons as a Tank so am kind of 'in charge' of where the run is going
only laziness or egotism inhibits someone from doing so -- the typical input device for character movement and communication is the sameApache_Kid wrote: »... It's alot harder to explain mechanics to a dungeon over text or to say "hey guys heres my discord can you please join?"
...
This has not been my experience, sorry
text and joining discord are quick and easy
unless the individual feels them to be inconveniences to his or her time
and makes a fuss about doing so
Have yet to see any good reason for an in-game voice comms
am not directly opposed to the idea, despite my personal distaste,
but recognize that the available means of communication are already more than sufficient for the PC environment
if voice comms were to make communication easier for individuals with disabilities
could find a staunch supporter with me
but voice comms tend to be more troublesome for the hearing impaired, and it took ESO long enough to get proper general subtitles
let-alone a voice-to-text system that would be adequate in making the addition of such systems accessible to those in need
but would totally be one of those annoying people with constant bong-hits being picked up by mistake if in-game voice chat were the caseEdited by Samadhi on December 29, 2017 5:20PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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As long as there is an opt out and mute functions. I am all in for in game voice..2
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Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »melek-taus wrote: »...
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. ...
Ew, nomelek-taus wrote: »...
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. ...
People already do this,
in part because doing so can potentially distract the target by making them stop to type
but having people whisper creepily in your ear would do something to the PvP experiencemelek-taus wrote: »...
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
...
Does this happen much outside of small towns?
Wasn't there some big hubbub over some sort of 'Street Harassment' video documenting occurrences of it in cities?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAC7nl5n2g
Are you suggesting that having in-game voice chat will lead to harassment? ....
No, am pointing out that it already happens in text chat while in cities and doing questsApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat on consoles is generally way less toxic than the text chat.
That's nice,
in-game voice chat on PC in Overwatch is generally way more toxic than the text chat
it is part of what keeps me on hiatus from the game as an online community while having returned to ESO
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
See no valid reasoning for it to be implemented, so whether or not people would be able to behave does not impact that
have simply voiced personal distaste for the idea in addition to that,
hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair
PC has superior alternatives for people who wish to use voice chat; Console does not
see no reason for resources to be spent on developing something extraneous for PC due to limitations of consoles
text chat on a platform with keyboards as a primary input device is sufficient for all general interactions,
for anything more organized it is primarily egotism or laziness inhibiting people from joining an existing teamspeak or discord server
Please provide evidence of me becoming emotionally invested in this. ...
Simply expressed my hope that you had not,
as you already made an arbitrary comment regarding the constitution of my skin
based on your erroneous interpretation of my position on an issue
never made an assertion that you were emotionally invested
not sure how you came to that assumption with regards to my statement, unless you incorrectly read the words that were writtenApache_Kid wrote: »... We are having this discussion because you said that people will not behave in voice chat. I am telling you that this isn't the case. You said that you literally quit playing a game because of things people said in voice chat. Doesn't seem like I'm the one with emotional issues here.
...
My statement was that the toxicity of Overwatch voice chat
compared to the innocuous nature of ESO with its absence of voice chat
has, in part, extended my hiatus from Overwatch and left me with more focus on ESO
Not certain how you interpret that as my having quit playing because of things said -- the influencing factor for my leaving was the state and changes of Mercy as a healer and Team/Solo rezerApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat would be easier to use than a 3rd party application that needs to run in the background. ..
not particularly
Personally find having to constantly mute people and/or deal with complaints of my voice comms being turned off
to be far more troubling to deal with than booting up a program in a user-friendly interface for doing soApache_Kid wrote: »... It's very nice on console that whenever I join a group for a dungeon in the activity finder I can instantly talk to the randoms and ask if anyone needs drops or mechanics explained. ...
Are you not able to do this on PC with text?
Personally do so, but run dungeons as a Tank so am kind of 'in charge' of where the run is going
only laziness or egotism inhibits someone from doing so -- the typical input device for character movement and communication is the sameApache_Kid wrote: »... It's alot harder to explain mechanics to a dungeon over text or to say "hey guys heres my discord can you please join?"
...
This has not been my experience, sorry
text and joining discord are quick and easy
unless the individual feels them to be inconveniences to his or her time
and makes a fuss about doing so
Have yet to see any good reason for an in-game voice comms
am not directly opposed to the idea, despite my personal distaste,
but recognize that the available means of communication are already more than sufficient for the PC environment
if voice comms were to make communication easier for individuals with disabilities
could find a staunch supporter with me
but voice comms tend to be more troublesome for the hearing impaired, and it took ESO long enough to get proper general subtitles
let-alone a voice-to-text system that would be adequate in making the addition of such systems accessible to those in need
but would totally be one of those annoying people with constant bong-hits being picked up by mistake if in-game voice chat were the case
I always have problems with people and discord while playing CP games. It's entirely a hassle to use a chat system that isn't included in the game. Xbox party chat is not in the game but is easier to get people who are strangers into party rather than into a discord channel. It's way more efficient to use something in the game rather than an application running in the background. Yes you can explain mechanics with text but it's much less time consuming to use voice chat to explain and things come across more clearly and people can easily ask questions. Some people on PC seem to be interested in this and I feel that is an extremely useful tool for those of us on console some people on PC can benefit from it. And the brilliant thing is, if it was ever implemented, someone like you can choose to never ever use it. So no harm no foul.
All this is moot however as no way they will ever spend the time to add it to PC as they can't even find the time to fix simple bugs in a reasonable amount of time.
My original argument with you was just that toxicity of video game players on the internet should not be a reason to not implement communication tools as that's insane.
Edit: Why did you even say "hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair". WeirdEdited by Apache_Kid on December 29, 2017 6:01PM0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
EDIT: If you still don't get it: With your phrase you are justifying and relativizing verbal abuse and shame the victims. Good job.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on December 29, 2017 6:18PM7 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
I pretty much classify everything that happens on the internet in its own category. People say stuff online they would never say in real life to someone's face because doing it online takes no mettle or courage. There are certain people on the internet that will say the most vile evil things possible and say the most insulting things. Things they don't even believe but they are trying to get a reaction out of you. So I do exactly the one thing they don't want me to do. I ignore them.
Refuse these people the reaction, What they crave, and most will go away.
You brought up tons of real world examples when we are specifically discussing this in terms of the internet.
I'm the farthest thing from a bully or a troll. You're way off base on that one. I just choose not to be affected in how I think based on what some stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me says to me in a voice or text chat. Get off your high horse.2 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
I pretty much classify everything that happens on the internet in its own category. People say stuff online they would never say in real life to someone's face because doing it online takes no mettle or courage. There are certain people on the internet that will say the most vile evil things possible and say the most insulting things. Things they don't even believe but they are trying to get a reaction out of you. So I do exactly the one thing they don't want me to do. I ignore them.
Refuse these people the reaction, What they crave, and most will go away.
You brought up tons of real world examples when we are specifically discussing this in terms of the internet.
I'm the farthest thing from a bully or a troll. You're way off base on that one. I just choose not to be affected in how I think based on what some stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me says to me in a voice or text chat. Get off your high horse.
You are right about a lower inhibition level on the net, but again, saying lines like "grow a thicker skin, it's just words." is justifying and relativizing verbal abuse/ cyber mobbing and shame the victims. Good job.
Also, last time I checked Facebook was still a part of the internet.4 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
I pretty much classify everything that happens on the internet in its own category. People say stuff online they would never say in real life to someone's face because doing it online takes no mettle or courage. There are certain people on the internet that will say the most vile evil things possible and say the most insulting things. Things they don't even believe but they are trying to get a reaction out of you. So I do exactly the one thing they don't want me to do. I ignore them.
Refuse these people the reaction, What they crave, and most will go away.
You brought up tons of real world examples when we are specifically discussing this in terms of the internet.
I'm the farthest thing from a bully or a troll. You're way off base on that one. I just choose not to be affected in how I think based on what some stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me says to me in a voice or text chat. Get off your high horse.
You are right about a lower inhibition level on the net, but again, saying lines like "grow a thicker skin, it's just words." is justifying and relativizing verbal abuse/ cyber mobbing and shame the victims. Good job.
Also, last time I checked Facebook was still a part of the internet.
Yes but on Facebook unless you have some anon account page you have a name and maybe even an occupation listed. You aren't anonymous. There are consequences for what you post. Even if you are an anon account Facebook has rules and can see your posts. If you are being rude and vile to people in voice chat on a video game your are anonymous and there are no repercussions unless you record the other person talking.
Me saying that people need thicker skin and to not give the trolls a reaction isn't justifying verbal abuse at all it's offering a solution.
Yes everyone should be more kind to each other and not be hateful and not insult others. EVERYONE understands this and is taught it from birth. So why are people still so rude and vile on the internet? Because trolls Do. Not. Care. They don't care about societal norms or manners. Myself and everyone else could post forever about how you don't need thick skin and everyone needs to be nicer, but guess what, the people who act terrible and mean no matter what anyone else says. There is no stopping it. So, in turn, I try to offer solutions to deal with these idiots when there aren't many solutions to choose from.2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »melek-taus wrote: »...
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. ...
Ew, nomelek-taus wrote: »...
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. ...
People already do this,
in part because doing so can potentially distract the target by making them stop to type
but having people whisper creepily in your ear would do something to the PvP experiencemelek-taus wrote: »...
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
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Does this happen much outside of small towns?
Wasn't there some big hubbub over some sort of 'Street Harassment' video documenting occurrences of it in cities?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAC7nl5n2g
Are you suggesting that having in-game voice chat will lead to harassment? ....
No, am pointing out that it already happens in text chat while in cities and doing questsApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat on consoles is generally way less toxic than the text chat.
That's nice,
in-game voice chat on PC in Overwatch is generally way more toxic than the text chat
it is part of what keeps me on hiatus from the game as an online community while having returned to ESO
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
See no valid reasoning for it to be implemented, so whether or not people would be able to behave does not impact that
have simply voiced personal distaste for the idea in addition to that,
hope that my doing so has not somehow made you emotionally invested in this as a personal affair
PC has superior alternatives for people who wish to use voice chat; Console does not
see no reason for resources to be spent on developing something extraneous for PC due to limitations of consoles
text chat on a platform with keyboards as a primary input device is sufficient for all general interactions,
for anything more organized it is primarily egotism or laziness inhibiting people from joining an existing teamspeak or discord server
Please provide evidence of me becoming emotionally invested in this. ...
Simply expressed my hope that you had not,
as you already made an arbitrary comment regarding the constitution of my skin
based on your erroneous interpretation of my position on an issue
never made an assertion that you were emotionally invested
not sure how you came to that assumption with regards to my statement, unless you incorrectly read the words that were writtenApache_Kid wrote: »... We are having this discussion because you said that people will not behave in voice chat. I am telling you that this isn't the case. You said that you literally quit playing a game because of things people said in voice chat. Doesn't seem like I'm the one with emotional issues here.
...
My statement was that the toxicity of Overwatch voice chat
compared to the innocuous nature of ESO with its absence of voice chat
has, in part, extended my hiatus from Overwatch and left me with more focus on ESO
Not certain how you interpret that as my having quit playing because of things said -- the influencing factor for my leaving was the state and changes of Mercy as a healer and Team/Solo rezerApache_Kid wrote: »... in-game voice chat would be easier to use than a 3rd party application that needs to run in the background. ..
not particularly
Personally find having to constantly mute people and/or deal with complaints of my voice comms being turned off
to be far more troubling to deal with than booting up a program in a user-friendly interface for doing soApache_Kid wrote: »... It's very nice on console that whenever I join a group for a dungeon in the activity finder I can instantly talk to the randoms and ask if anyone needs drops or mechanics explained. ...
Are you not able to do this on PC with text?
Personally do so, but run dungeons as a Tank so am kind of 'in charge' of where the run is going
only laziness or egotism inhibits someone from doing so -- the typical input device for character movement and communication is the sameApache_Kid wrote: »... It's alot harder to explain mechanics to a dungeon over text or to say "hey guys heres my discord can you please join?"
...
This has not been my experience, sorry
text and joining discord are quick and easy
unless the individual feels them to be inconveniences to his or her time
and makes a fuss about doing so
Have yet to see any good reason for an in-game voice comms
am not directly opposed to the idea, despite my personal distaste,
but recognize that the available means of communication are already more than sufficient for the PC environment
if voice comms were to make communication easier for individuals with disabilities
could find a staunch supporter with me
but voice comms tend to be more troublesome for the hearing impaired, and it took ESO long enough to get proper general subtitles
let-alone a voice-to-text system that would be adequate in making the addition of such systems accessible to those in need
but would totally be one of those annoying people with constant bong-hits being picked up by mistake if in-game voice chat were the case
I always have problems with people and discord while playing CP games. It's entirely a hassle to use a chat system that isn't included in the game. ...
Again, cannot relate
perhaps it is just good fortune in running Trials
but everyone was always quick into TS, and on occasion of having to replace a member mid-run due to disconnect
the pug replacement we found hopped right inApache_Kid wrote: »... Yes you can explain mechanics with text but it's much less time consuming to use voice chat to explain and things come across more clearly and people can easily ask questions. ...
It may be helpful for you to comprehending my own attitude towards voice
and my always being on the text end of all half voice half text conversations
but suffer a bit of a speech impediment as a result of intellectual difficulties
my IQ itself ranks reasonably, but my actual rate of processing information is slow
and it becomes more apparent in my speech patterns -- which also resulted in bullying through my childhood and adolescence
it does not inhibit me in the PC environment due to lack of mic and subsequent reliance on typing
but can comprehend and respect your position in being able to better capitalize on such a systemApache_Kid wrote: »...
All this is moot however as no way they will ever spend the time to add it to PC as they can't even find the time to fix simple bugs in a reasonable amount of time.
...
Never put it past ZOS to pour resources into other tasks that can obstruct them from working on bugs
Apache_Kid wrote: »... My original argument with you was just that toxicity of video game players on the internet should not be a reason to not implement communication tools as that's insane.
My original post that you responded to was simply an expression of personal distaste for some of the scenarios OP proposed
Did not have issues with comprehending your argument,
just have issues comprehending why you are attempting to 'argue' with me due to expression of personal distaste
seemingly stemming to differences of our experiences with voice chat between the console and PC environment
While it is nice that you have had a good time with regards to voice chat and relative toxicity on consoles,
do not really take that as any solid form of evidence that an in-game voice chat would be advantageous
or a worthwhile investment of resources on a platform that already has various convenient forms of communication available"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭Lol a ingame voice chat system? Silly people this isn't DCUO, PS2, or BDO. This is ESO there will never be a voice chat system in this game. Simply because the devs. wouldn't be able to turn it into a microtransaction. Plus I don't think that the devs would be able implement such a thing into the without having to invest some money and manpower to make it work.
But I won't shoot you alls hopes and dreams down. It's highly unlikely to ever happen, however it's not completely impossible. So keep on hoping, wishing, and dreaming.
#VoiceChat2018KeepTheDreamAlive!
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
I pretty much classify everything that happens on the internet in its own category. People say stuff online they would never say in real life to someone's face because doing it online takes no mettle or courage. There are certain people on the internet that will say the most vile evil things possible and say the most insulting things. Things they don't even believe but they are trying to get a reaction out of you. So I do exactly the one thing they don't want me to do. I ignore them.
Refuse these people the reaction, What they crave, and most will go away.
You brought up tons of real world examples when we are specifically discussing this in terms of the internet.
I'm the farthest thing from a bully or a troll. You're way off base on that one. I just choose not to be affected in how I think based on what some stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me says to me in a voice or text chat. Get off your high horse.
You are right about a lower inhibition level on the net, but again, saying lines like "grow a thicker skin, it's just words." is justifying and relativizing verbal abuse/ cyber mobbing and shame the victims. Good job.
Also, last time I checked Facebook was still a part of the internet.
Me saying that people need thicker skin and to not give the trolls a reaction isn't justifying verbal abuse at all it's offering a solution.
As an intended solution I agree on it. It just came across a tad different. I think you can see that too.0 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Are you suggesting that sheltering and protecting a person from adversity is beneficial for their development?
What action would you take if your child faced some verbal abuse on the playground?[DC/NA]0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think the game should provide a Voice Chat for Groups only, and that is of course optional. Sure, there are many good third party chat tools, but everyone is on a different server, or prefers a client someone else does not have. That being said, I don't want to hear all the random mutterings and exclamations of the general player base.
This would be a terrific option so no more loading out of the game into one of three different chat systems and entering new information each time to connect . It's such a pain sometimes . This would make it so much simpler and it's a option so no one has to turn it on an talk .0 -
nnargun✭✭✭✭Why does this need to be discussed? An optional voice chat has absolutely no downsides. People make up artificial arguments here to play devil's advocate.Edited by nnargun on December 29, 2017 7:12PM[PC EU][GERMAN][ENGLISH][730~ CP]
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Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »
So your reasoning is that it shouldn't be implemented because someone people wouldn't be able to behave?
Perhaps you just need thicker skin. It's just words after all.
This is the most stupid thing I have read in a while.
If you get triggered by that, you might want to grow a thicker skin, it's just words after all.
Why would that trigger me? You're stupid for thinking its stupid for me to say that. If someone is being mean to you over the internet either turn off the chat or turn off your internet and walk away and realize that nothing a stranger says to you over the internet should have any impact on your general mental health or feeling of self-worth because they know nothing about you and its. just. words.
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Bullies and trolls always justify their badmouthing with "it's just words". Stuff like "I don't get offended by insults, so noone should and I can misbehave all I want", right?
So by your words I can write a fully racist, antisemitic post on whatever jewish organisations facebook page and everything will be just fine because "it's just words"?
Where do you draw the line? On insults? Idiology? Video games? Frequency? Or on it happening in the internet in general?
If a class mate walks up to your kid on the shool yard insulting him/her to the bone, verbal bullying, do you say "it's just words, grow a thicker skin" too?
Again, where do you draw the line?
Sure, in the internet you can simply turn it off. That doesn't mean that is all fine because "It's just words."
I pretty much classify everything that happens on the internet in its own category. People say stuff online they would never say in real life to someone's face because doing it online takes no mettle or courage. There are certain people on the internet that will say the most vile evil things possible and say the most insulting things. Things they don't even believe but they are trying to get a reaction out of you. So I do exactly the one thing they don't want me to do. I ignore them.
Refuse these people the reaction, What they crave, and most will go away.
You brought up tons of real world examples when we are specifically discussing this in terms of the internet.
I'm the farthest thing from a bully or a troll. You're way off base on that one. I just choose not to be affected in how I think based on what some stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me says to me in a voice or text chat. Get off your high horse.
You are right about a lower inhibition level on the net, but again, saying lines like "grow a thicker skin, it's just words." is justifying and relativizing verbal abuse/ cyber mobbing and shame the victims. Good job.
Also, last time I checked Facebook was still a part of the internet.
Me saying that people need thicker skin and to not give the trolls a reaction isn't justifying verbal abuse at all it's offering a solution.
As an intended solution I agree on it. It just came across a tad different. I think you can see that too.
I tend to be blunt which people mistake for rudeness. I don't intend to be rude I've just had this discussion in one form or another many times and am tired of having it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭LOTRO had built-in voice chat. The quality didn't match third-party tools', so guilds preferred Ventrilo or Teamspeak (this was before Mumble, let alone Discord). But it was good enough for PUGs to coordinate against threats coming from two or three directions at once.1 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭Every high end online game has built in voice chat now. This feature should not be up for debate. It’s like arguing that cell phone shouldn’t have cameras because people will use them to film pornography. Every arguement posed against the idea is a lazy attempt to shut down the desire for something that we’ve seen work in hundreds of other games. There are channels, there are options to turn it off, and some of us want to hear those obnoxious conversations coming from random strangers.
Sadly, this feature is probably not on the list of things to do, so I won’t hold my breath.Edited by Bryanonymous on December 29, 2017 7:49PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭a voicechat, lol
you didn´t think very long before you posted that
that will be like you are in a concert and your friend is for a beer and you wanna ask him if it is possible to get some chips, just by saying that in the crowd
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You do realize consoles have voice chat, right? It works fine there. I'll never understand the fear some people have of hearing human voices.Edited by MLGProPlayer on December 29, 2017 7:47PM5 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭melek-taus wrote: »I know a lot of people would disagree but some kind of voice chat system with proximity chat/ party chat/ dungeon chat and guild chat would be a nice addon for this game. I know a lot use discord, I do aswell for guild chat and trials etc but discord does not work when partying up with randoms in PVP or in PVE. Sure you can atl tab to add the correct discord adres, but to do this every time when playing with randoms would not be an option.
An implemented voice chat system could add a new depth to this game. Players would be able to talk easier in towns and there would be more interaction between strangers.
For example during questing you could talk to a random player and you might even end up doing the quest together. There would be a lot more interaction as on the consoles. Obviously the option must contain a mute function for players and maybe a range function. But overal think about how much this could add for strangers or even solo players.
Even in PVP this could change the game a bit as a big guilds could use a battle cry when charging into the enemy. Or you could try to confuse someone by wispering to them while in stealth. Even the role playing part could become a whole lot bigger and this could also add a complete new series for Youtube where strangers interact with each other.
Think about the big picture here and not the 10 people you always talk to on discord as the other tousand of players are not in the same discrod. Think about how easy it would become to talk to a random person, just like in real life.
We know this works as it is also used on console so why not add it?
use discord or teamspeak, it works great!!0
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