Combat Update - January 2018

LinearParadox · February 2018

werzui wrote: »

Since dragonbones launched, there is a very disgusting weaponswap delay
this needs to be investigated guys !

Was talking to some guildmates about that. It seems to be caused by (sadly) the outfit system, which also seems to be the cause of another related bug; the 'unarmed animation' bug, where-in characters will draw their weapon but to some observers, they're standing with their fists raised as if unarmed.
Both seem to be fixed by not using the outfit system, sadly

Guildmates report fixing the delay by not using outfits, some report removing outfits for PvP and such.
You might want to give that a try and see if that helps, or if you weren't using the outfit system at all before, let me know. I'm quite curious what's causing it myself.
I am using outfits, and I have experienced the bar-swap issues, but then again I've experienced that intermittently and in high latency situations, for years. So right now, there's too many variables to say for certain if that's the exact cause, but many seem to think it is and that's worth something.

Somber97866 · March 2018

No what it needs .......... IS A NERF! HAHAHA

Somber97866 · March 2018

Are these future updates going to lower my magic builds dps even further? I am already bitter because of the 1000's of hours I've spent leveling my character ( the old school way cause I started before exp pots and stuff ) for you and got team to come there and pretty much destroy it endgame.
The problem some of us have is are connection were we love is ok or for some reason we get glitches out more than others. Generally with the way the game runs at my house I have to alternate between casting ele drain and heavy attack on aoe bar or my aoe's will run out when I bar swap to drop single target dots.
Most times in a parse on console the game will not reconize light attacks and skill use ( even though you can see the skill light up at the bottom screen.) Causing lack of damage in parse. I have video of this happening.
It's becoming almost impossible for console ppl like me to hit mid to high 30's on magic builds ( which I only play cause I don't like playing stam )

Somber97866 · March 2018

So I sit here on 3/11/18 debating wether to just stop trying and go play something else since I've already played all but the hardest content. Farmed falkreath hard mode 52 times in one week.
Was about to start doing vmol but with off balance nerf's I cannot presently hit over 35k anymore. So that's ruined. Seems like everytime your team does something magic builds take a hit.
So please do all us magic builds a favor and don't do ANYTHING! You just keep making things worse and worse for us. Go fix all the bugs and glitches. You've pretty much killed magdk's in pve with your meddling. Magwarden never was a thing. Magsorc is pretty much there now tyvm.
Don't need no more help!

Nelson_Rebel · March 2018

Not being shrewd or whatnot but are the updates still monthly @ZOS_GinaBruno

Bevik · March 2018

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Not being shrewd or whatnot but are the updates still monthly @ZOS_GinaBruno

She said gonna be updated only before big patches. So probably after the Chapter announcement.

gnarlyvandal · April 2018

Cireous wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

we have some other related plans in the works that we’re really excited to share with you; it’s a bit too early to talk about them now, but we’ll divulge more information as soon as we can.

Spellcrafting ....

Literally think about spell crafting every time I see complaints about skills. Makes me long for an elder scrolls 4: Oblivion MMO

Feanor · April 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Is there an ETA for the next one? I guess it’s after Summerset release, but maybe you have something more accurate. Thanks in advance!

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Is there an ETA for the next one? I guess it’s after Summerset release, but maybe you have something more accurate. Thanks in advance!

I believe they are probably done with these combat updates. If not you will see one in like, 3 months after summerset probably.
Then again, what do I even know, right?

Feanor · May 2018

@Ragnarock41

I was just assuming there would be another one:

Starting after this combat update, we will be shifting to doing these quarterly rather than monthly.

It’s in the original post.

AbyssDragon_2115 · May 2018

IMO RPG-games is about variety of: decisions, walking thru, character appearances and builds.
With Summerset you made right equipment change letting two-handed weapons counting as two pieces of sets. It adds a lot variations of builds. To continuing this idea heavy attacks resource regen must be redone. For now melee weapon and bows not viable with mana builds - you have no mana regeneration from heavy attacks.
What to do? Heavy attacks with all weapons should regen higher resource pool (stamina or magicka) that character have OR both pools depending on ratio therebetween.
Hope this idea will be implemented in the future updates.

Koolio · May 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, and welcome to our latest combat update. We have been busy going through your PTS feedback for Update 17, which is largely where our combat-related focus has been. To restate our main goals for this update:
Improve Synergy responsiveness and power to promote better group gameplay

Improve interrupt rulesets so that there is more interesting and tactical interrupt gameplay

Improve the Off Balance status effect so it is more useful for everyone

As we near the end of this PTS cycle, we will continue fixing reported bugs and plan to make a few more adjustments to combat balance. You can expect to see some adjustments to Off Balance, iterations on Synergy cooldowns and updates to abilities that fall outside of our Block and Dodge rulesets. A huge thank you to those of you that have experienced the changes first hand and provided feedback. Your feedback and testing results are invaluable to us.

On a different note, we’d like to talk to you about our future plans for these combat updates. We’ve seen some great conversation come out of these (and we thank you all for staying constructive as we asked). Starting after this combat update, we will be shifting to doing these quarterly rather than monthly. As you’ve noticed, most of our major combat changes arrive in our quarterly game updates, and we’d like to utilize our written combat updates to give you an early look at what we’re planning. We were finding that subsequent combat updates were becoming “we’re still working on the things we mentioned before” without providing much substance. We want these combat updates to be both meaningful and impactful – changing them to quarterly will ensure that’s the case.

We still plan to keep you informed in between the larger quarterly updates, and we have some other related plans in the works that we’re really excited to share with you; it’s a bit too early to talk about them now, but we’ll divulge more information as soon as we can. Please continue posting your feedback here, both involving combat and how we can better communicate information to you.

Did we ever get a 2nd quarter update?

Horowonnoe · May 2018

Nope. Goodbye combat updates.

Koolio · May 2018

We complain about lack of communication so you start this bit up. Only to drop it and not say anything. Now we were supposed to get monthly but like what was said it’s almost pointless. So we were supposed to get quarterly.

Q2 nothing
Q3 around the corner.

If I did this to my clients where I work I would have tons of complaints. Bad reviews. Bad evaluations. And most likely reprimanded.

Your lack of communication on this update is staggering. The list of bugs and issues I see posted are many. Threads with 7k views and a few hundred comments and still nothing. You have the best MMO on the market right now. Act like it. I run a guild on EP NA ps4. We normally run 4-8 daily. They wait till I get home everyday so that we can have coordinated group play. If I stopped playing because any reason they are all very soon to follow. I don’t want to stop playing at all. I want to possibly grow my guild even more so recently. But when bugs are preventing me from playing (I’ll link the many bug posts I’ve put recently) it gets disheartening. I can’t even get an acknowledgement for bugs that effect everyone on all platforms.

Werewolf Synergy still terrible

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411402/werewolf-devour-synergy-still-terrible-to-use-did-it-get-overlooked-during-last-patch#latest

Dawnbreaker mysteriously disappears

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413428/dawnbreaker-completely-disappears#latest

Clockwork Citrus UI bug

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/410601/clockwork-citrus-not-increasing-magicka-bar-ui-na-ps4#latest

Destro Reach Bugged

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400876/can-t-knock-players-off-ledges-anymore-dizzying-swing-and-flame-reach-bugged#latest

Sprint Bug completely Locks out Characters

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/414169/a-new-sprint-bug-that-causes-character-lockout#latest

Siphoning Attacks extra animation bug

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/382280/siphoning-attacks-extra-animation-na-ps4#latest

Enchants running out causes freezes

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/386390/enchant-running-out-causes-lag#latest

Cc immunity not working

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362111/wtf-happened-to-cc-immunity

Come on Zos. Give us a reason to boast about you. Most of these are bugs with videos or easily reproduced. I can’t even get a Thank you for reporting these bugs we are looking into them. I have to fight and ask every update if these can even be addressed. It took over a year to fix healing ward and even 4months to even get addressed. I am tired of making bug reports for them to be ignored.

I shouldn’t even have to dig an old thread up for your Quarterly Combat Update post just so we may get one.

Sincerely All paying customers.

Koolio · May 2018

Sorry double post

Koolio · May 2018

Why is this post getting buried? I write on it and it’s not in the first 15 pages of recent discussions. Why does that happen?

This has happened at least twice now.

Koolio · May 2018

Once again. 20 mins goes by at this thread is buried. It’s not within the first 15 pages of “Recent Discussions”

Why doesn’t this thread stay in its que of recent?

testd4n1 · May 2018

Koolio wrote: »

Once again. 20 mins goes by at this thread is buried. It’s not within the first 15 pages of “Recent Discussions”

Why doesn’t this thread stay in its que of recent?

Perhaps because there are so many other posts that are a bit more active.

Koolio · May 2018

testd4n1 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Once again. 20 mins goes by at this thread is buried. It’s not within the first 15 pages of “Recent Discussions”

Why doesn’t this thread stay in its que of recent?

Perhaps because there are so many other posts that are a bit more active.

If you didn’t write this then I wouldn’t have been able to find this post. I have to manually search for it everytime. Even post I made are in pages 5-9. This doesn’t even show up.

I have it pinned so it’s easier to find but still have to search for it.

Koolio · May 2018

testd4n1 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Once again. 20 mins goes by at this thread is buried. It’s not within the first 15 pages of “Recent Discussions”

Why doesn’t this thread stay in its que of recent?

Perhaps because there are so many other posts that are a bit more active.

I just watched it happen. This thread completely disappears the moment it’s not on the front page. Other threads go in order of comments but not this one.

Shadowshire · May 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

As stated in Post #12 in the Patch Notes for version 4.0.5 (Summerset & Update 18), pertaining to changes in Combat:

Rebalanced Light and Heavy Attack damage across weapon types to reinforce the concept that Light Attacks are for dealing damage and Heavy Attacks are for restoring resources. In general, this means:
Light Attacks with One Hand and Shield, Dual Wield, Bow, Destruction Staff, and Restoration Staff weapons will deal more damage. Light Attacks with Two Handed weapons will deal less damage. Heavy Attacks with Destruction Staff and Restoration Staff weapons will deal more damage. Heavy Attacks with Two Handed, One Hand and Shield, Dual Wield, and Bow weapons will deal less damage.

In accord with the stated "concept", Light Attacks with Destruction Staves and Restoration Staves "will deal more damage".

However, it is not in accord with that "concept" if Heavy Attacks with Destruction Staves and Restoration Staves "will deal more damage". Rather, they should "restore resources" and deal less damage just as Heavy Attacks with Two-Handed and One-Handed melee weapons and with Bows (a two-handed weapon) should "restore resources" and "will deal less damage".

Which leads to the question: is the quoted description incorrect, or has the effect of Heavy Attacks with Destruction Staves and Restoration Staves actually been implemented in the game as stated?

In my humble opinion, the notion that any attack will, in and of itself, "restore resources" is patently ridiculous. Light attacks do less damage than Heavy Attacks, but Heavy Attacks require more time to effect. Of course, a character should not be able to do more damage in total with two or more of Light Attacks during the span of time required to "fully charge" a Heavy Attack that afflicts much more damage.

The effect of that in practice is that a character might use a Heavy Attack to kill an opponent with one strike, unless the attacking character also is wounded or weakened enough that two or more Light Attacks by their opponent will kill them before the attacker can "fully charge" the Heavy Attack.

We do not need "restoring resources" to encourage players to use Heavy Attacks. Just make it more effective to use them. For example, not only would a Heavy Attack do significantly more damage, the probability of a Critical Strike should also be much higher for a Heavy Attack that is "fully charged" than for a Light Attack.

Feanor · May 2018

I think we won’t see any other combat updates. It’s going to be the class representatives from now on.

ccfeeling · May 2018

Combat update is not required if the game is already perfect , isn't it ?

Feanor · August 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Ragnarock41

I was just assuming there would be another one:

Starting after this combat update, we will be shifting to doing these quarterly rather than monthly.

It’s in the original post.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Any news on this?