i think most players do both. but u have pvp players who hate pve and pve players who hate pvp. its just not their thing. like i hate quests with a burning passion.

For me personally, it just isn't fun. Which is strange, because in TOR & WoW I was a regular PVPer. I like my PVP in competitive matches and battlegrounds are a step in the right direction but still somehow lacking for me personally. PVP in ESO doesn't feel as easy to jump into as it does in other games, because other games tend to give you a set of starter PVP gear pretty fast and in ESO the gear divide is super unforgiving.

Cyrodiil itself is frustrating for someone new to the game's PVP because you have to drive for a million years and it's incredibly confusing to figure out what's going on--like trying to figure out where various locations on the map that people reference are. I've spent a few weeks trying to figure it out, since I want the achievements and to level some skill lines, but I can't honestly say I have been enjoying it. Once I have the stuff I need I doubt I'll go back unless it's to help someone or grind for something else I need/want.

I think my biggest issue is the lack of clear reward. In other games you regularly get a PVP currency to slowly work on upgrading your gear and while similar things exists in ESO it feels arduous and nebulous rather than as if you're making consistent progress.

Also... being spotted while trying to do PVE, running away on your mount, and being chased across literally half the map by some tryhard that won't stop is NOT fun. Like, you can tell people are there to troll and inconvenience others as much as they are to actually make a difference in battles.

So... I love PVP in other games, but just can't get into ESO's for some reason.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Some PVP players dont enjoy PVE either but have to do to get the gear and skills needed for PVP.

Yeah, it sucks when you get forced into content you don't care for.

You feeling better?

When I sit down at the end of a long hard workday, the last thing I want to do is get all riled up with adrenaline pumping and being anxious about someone coming out of nowhere while I'm trying to just relax and de-stress from my day. The older I get, the more I feel that way. I also have no urge to learn all the skills of every other class (that I don't play) just to know what they can do so I can counteract it.

These days, games for me are just for relaxation and story. I don't need to prove anything (already did that all day at work, and I get paid for that). It's a bit of time to immerse myself into a different life for a bit to escape the real world stress for an hour or so each night. A character that feels comfortable, good enough gear to get by but nothing "specialized," a nice outfit or two so I look good (to me), and the ability to just wander around and look at the sights and help a few NPCs out with their problems. I don't research games to find out how to be the best, I don't use training dummies or keep spreadsheets, and I pay no attention to meta builds, meta gear, meta stats, rotations, grinding, CP points, etc.

Ahhh...relaxation.

With all that said, you can see why I don't care for PVP. To be fair, I feel the same way about group dungeons/trials/etc. My hour or so each night for gaming is precious time for me, as I have little free time, and I prefer mellow activities during that time.

It's just so different in my opinion. I'm not good at pvp and also not as bad as i may think either, tried getting into pvp more but i simply don't enjoy it. Instead of fighting each other we should be fighting alongside and against the daedra, the worst is when creating a stamina character as it felt like a chore to get vigor and caltrops even though it isn't that much ap tbh, after a while i just stop completely going into cyrodiil other than the golden vendor, my favorite class is the stamina sorcerer and i can live without vigor. Yes, i’ll lose dps without caltrops but in harder vet stuff I'm either the healer or tank

Cause people like different things? Why do people like Ni No Kuni 2 over Far Cry 5, or vice versa just depends on taste

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It is all about ego, a player that doesn't like PvP can't handle they got beat by another player. In PvE if they get killed no one notices as much.

No, it's not "all about that". Believe it or not, some folks' egos aren't that fragile. It's simply a matter of PvP not appealing.

I make no bones about the fact that I am a mediocre player, at best, both PvE and, especially, PvP but it's not due to a fragile ego. I just don't enjoy PvP.

Define what is not appealing if it is not that, why don't you enjoy PvP?
Why does fighting computer scripted NPC not bother you but fighting human controlled character does?
It can't be because a person doesn't like killing as no one really dies. Also there is just as much salt in group PvE.
Don't get me wrong I respect your decision but I have found once a player that thought they hated PvP got over the dying part they actually stay and enjoy the mode.

Without intending to be ironic, I find PvP to be extremely repetitive. Once you get the right gear and skills, it all boils down to “run over here, capture this objective, now run over there and capture that objective...”.

It keeps me entertained for a little bit, but I can’t get drawn into it the way other people do. I just get bored.

don't zerg 1vx or get a group of 2 to 8 to go wipe zergs then its fun then you see. when a group of 8 wipes a group of 30 its quite fun

It can be fun in the short term. But after you do that, then you do it again, and again, and again. One of the things I like about the PvE side of things is the new mechanics that different boss fights throw into the game, it means new puzzles to solve and new challenges to overcome. Throwing random team mates with varying skill levels into the mix changes up that dynamic even more.

For PvP, it just doesn’t seem as varied, which is really weird considering it’s supposed to be the most unpredictable, varied, and dynamic form of gameplay. But, all I see is meat-shields spamming wrecking-blow, and capture the objective, capture the objective, capture the objective.

It is really cool sieging castles, though. Watching catapults and trebuchets rain down death on an enemy held fortress in this game is like something straight out of a movie.

I really think this whole distinction between PVE and PVP players is silly. There aren't that many people who just PVE and never PVP, there aren't that many players that just PVP and never PVE. I would say the majority of players share experiences to varying degrees of success, of both game modes, and most of this distinction between PVP and PVE "players" is just a forum construct to create hysterical arguments.

Some examples, PVP balance changes destroy PVE players enjoyment of the game. No, PVE is really easy in this game, and since everyone plays with the new rule-sets, nobody has an advantage or disadvantage after a change in rules other than the inconvenience of learning to adapt and gearing for it under the new rules.

Nothing in the new chapter has PVP content. Of course that is wrong, all gear upgrades are PVP content, I'm sure at least one set from the new chapter will end up BoS for some meta build with at least one class. New skill lines will be used in PVP. If it is used in PVP it's PVP content, thin as that may seem to someone who has done a lot of laps around Cyrodiil, that's what PVP is about, getting a gear edge to give you an advantage over the competition.

This division of players between game modes is an old illusion and really a pointless one in constructing an argument.

It just isn't fun for me. Either I'm with a big group and we steam roll another smaller group with no challenge about it, or it happens to us. Sometimes our group might come across one of those super-tanks that can't die, and it's a bit fun to try to team up and take them down, but after a few minutes it gets boring.

When I'm by myself, I'll just usually come across people way more experienced and better geared and prepared and die instantly. There is that chance that I come across someone else around my level of skill and we have an interesting back and forth fight, and that's fun, whether I win or lose, but those are seldom and rare.

I know if I would put more effort into actually getting PvP gear, and using a more PvP-oriented style, then I might get more chances at finding those interesting scenarios, but I honestly just don't care enough to bother.

Even if I did there's just that chance that I'll still just run into people way better, or someone who was like me and gets wrecked instantly by me, and neither of those are fun for me. With my limited game time, I don't want to spend hours in Cyrodiil to "hope" I have fun just for the sake of trying something I'm really unsure about, but rather spend that time doing something I genuinely do know I'll enjoy. I get what people like about it, but it's just not the environment or playstyle for me.

As a PVEer, I dont hate PVP, but I am disgusted with it.

The thing is, until very recently, I didnt feel one way or the other about PVP. Whatever happens in Cyrodiil, can stay in Cyrodiil as far as I was concerned.

But a couple weeks ago, I decided my new character needed vigor and caltrops. So he unwillingly trudged his way into Cyrodiil, hoping to get these things as quick as possible and get out.

But as the days went by,surprisingly, it turned out to be rather enjoyable. Met some good people there, and had some really fun and memorable moments.

I remained there even after the vigor/caltrop goal was met. Even thought about getting some PVP gear and becoming more serious with it.
But, as all good things must come to an end, I was removed from the campaign when my character outleveled it

After a couple of days of my character sulking, missing his battle buddies and the action, decided to join a different campaign and maybe create some new memories.

Well, he did, but not good ones. It wasnt that the enemy was tougher, well I did die a little bit more often, but that was okay. My character is still new, needing to learn much and was still geared for PVE.

We were at an outpost we had, when it was noted that AD was coming our way. We took up defense positions, but soon into the fight we also noticed they werent alone. They had grouped together with EP to double team us. Frustrating, but it only made my character more determined to stay and kill any AD or EP he found.

What happened an hour later though, is what caused me to walk away from Cyrodiil. Attacking an AD keep where they had our scroll, and more groups of our own come in to join the fight. I remember vaguely thinking during the battle as we were winning, 'so where are your EP buddies now?' lol

I really did expect them to come hit us from the rear at any moment, but they never showed. We took the keep, and one of our other groups grabbed the scroll.

Those of you who are experienced in PVP probably know whats coming next, but some of us noobs didnt. We were doing repairs and happy in our victory, when someone said 'hey theyre going the wrong way. where they taking the scroll?'

We started to go after them, but there was nothing we could do but just helplessly watch as they went into EP territory and handed the scroll over.

It was at that point, became totally disgusted with PVP. Left that night, and havent gone back. At least in dungeons, trials etc we know who is on our side and who isnt.

I'll tell you, never even once in PVE, have I seen a few members of our group cut a side deal with Rakkhat to go into the next area and hang out/party with the shadows instead of killing them, so the rest of us could be defeated. But if it did, it would turn me off of these things as well :P

So again, I dont hate PVP, but I am disgusted with it. My character will always have great memories of Kyne, but afterwards, he would just as soon forget.

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Pvp is the true endgame

That notion upsets pve ers greatly

Where do you come up with ideas like this? It doesn't upset me one bit. There's plenty of "end-game" stuff to do and more will be along as time goes by.

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

As a PVEer, I dont hate PVP, but I am disgusted with it.
The thing is, until very recently, I didnt feel one way or the other about PVP. Whatever happens in Cyrodiil, can stay in Cyrodiil as far as I was concerned.
But a couple weeks ago, I decided my new character needed vigor and caltrops. So he unwillingly trudged his way into Cyrodiil, hoping to get these things as quick as possible and get out.
But as the days went by,surprisingly, it turned out to be rather enjoyable. Met some good people there, and had some really fun and memorable moments.
I remained there even after the vigor/caltrop goal was met. Even thought about getting some PVP gear and becoming more serious with it.
But, as all good things must come to an end, I was removed from the campaign when my character outleveled it
After a couple of days of my character sulking, missing his battle buddies and the action, decided to join a different campaign and maybe create some new memories.
Well, he did, but not good ones. It wasnt that the enemy was tougher, well I did die a little bit more often, but that was okay. My character is still new, needing to learn much and was still geared for PVE.
We were at an outpost we had, when it was noted that AD was coming our way. We took up defense positions, but soon into the fight we also noticed they werent alone. They had grouped together with EP to double team us. Frustrating, but it only made my character more determined to stay and kill any AD or EP he found.
What happened an hour later though, is what caused me to walk away from Cyrodiil. Attacking an AD keep where they had our scroll, and more groups of our own come in to join the fight. I remember vaguely thinking during the battle as we were winning, 'so where are your EP buddies now?' lol
I really did expect them to come hit us from the rear at any moment, but they never showed. We took the keep, and one of our other groups grabbed the scroll.
Those of you who are experienced in PVP probably know whats coming next, but some of us noobs didnt. We were doing repairs and happy in our victory, when someone said 'hey theyre going the wrong way. where they taking the scroll?'
We started to go after them, but there was nothing we could do but just helplessly watch as they went into EP territory and handed the scroll over.
It was at that point, became totally disgusted with PVP. Left that night, and havent gone back. At least in dungeons, trials etc we know who is on our side and who isnt.
I'll tell you, never even once in PVE, have I seen a few members of our group cut a side deal with Rakkhat to go into the next area and hang out/party with the shadows instead of killing them, so the rest of us could be defeated. But if it did, it would turn me off of these things as well :P
So again, I dont hate PVP, but I am disgusted with it. My character will always have great memories of Kyne, but afterwards, he would just as soon forget.

This is why we (the pvpers) keep asking for an overhaul of cyrodiill, for changes to block alliance switching, layout changes, scoring changes etc...

It is basically stale. Many of the old hands who still love PvP at bored with the campaign and. Only play for kills, or to have a laugh with their friends, no matter which faction. Basically there are a lot of players who have given up playing for their faction. This is for a number of reasons... Could be because a nightcapping faction always wins no matter what you do, so you stop trying... Could be because you're simply bored with running around the same emp-loop day after day.
Yes, people say that there are balance and gear changes every patch which are 'PvP content' an yes, from a micro perspective, that can change the mechanics of a fight, but the fact is that nothing changes at the macro level... Sieges are still done in the same way. Keep X still leads to keep Y. Some keeps are still closer than others causing people to still push the same few keeps day after day... Scoring still lets a handful of off-peak players determine who wins. None of this has changed in years.. So people are bored, and bored people look or other ways to have fun.

A common one is for an organised group to take an enemy scroll into a chokepoint and see how many enemies they can farm... That is probably what you saw.

One large fact is how toxic the PvP community is, if you kill anyone from a small scale group i would say 98% of them will tea bag you and send you h8 whispers after they get revenge.

My ignore list is bigger than my friend list lol

Pveers are just scared thats why they dont pvp. And it takes alot more skill to pvp.