Joy_Division wrote: »

I wonder how many people think 4 good players are "premades".

As much as people like to think ESO caters to "noobs," the combat is not forgiving at all. The better and more experienced player almost always wins.

4 good players placed together randomly can crush the other teams, but they are unlikely to stay in that group if they continue playing BGs. Many of the complaints I see come from running into the same group of players (so, in a pre-made) over and over again due to the smaller population of battlegrounds. In that situation, it starts to feel like getting farmed at a Cyrodiil resources, but where the only option to walk away is to stop playing BGs for awhile.

Getting crushed once or twice by the random selection of good players on a team happens sometimes, and no doubt some players mistake that for a pre-made group. More problematic, however, is facing the same group of players over and over again where you can make a pretty good assumption that's a pre-made group where there's very little chance for the new or less experienced player to fight back effectively. As you say, the combat is not forgiving. Without the option to avoid that pre-made group they've been failing to beat, the only options are get good or quit playing.

Which is to say, if this were just a problem with players mistaking random selection of good players to be on a team together, we wouldn't expect to see people being beaten by the same group of teammates over and over again, which is a significant problem for Battlegrounds. Even in Cyrodiil, I'll fight the group that's farming PUGs at a resource once or twice, but if I see no chance at victory, I'm not going to through myself at them the 3rd or 4th time without reinforcements. That's be silly because I know the result and I don't enjoy being farmed over and over again. Its not any different for me in BGs. If I'm meeting the same group over and over and I can't beat them, I'm going to take a break (and probably research/practice counters, because "get good" doesn't happen instantly).

battlegrounds are ruining battlegrounds

matchmaking isn't that hard unless you're ZOS, let's not forget how it took them half a year to get the ready check working lmao, matchmaking would literally set everything on fire

Biro123 wrote: »

The sole reason I don't do bg's.

I don't buy the idea that there isn't the population for separate queues. Imho, if there were separate queues, there would be more BG players. A lot more.

In my experience of bg's in other MMOs, premades were always the minority.

Well, on PS4 I am waiting ~ 30min throughout the day for a battleground to open, in the evening it's 5-10min. I really don't know why this takes so long, but it could be an issue.

And MMR sistem would change things, the metter is that we don't have enough players for it

I remember how premades killed the bg of WildStar. These people then went on to cry and troll the forum how there are no queueues popping and that carebears are to blame. To finally continue their journey and kill the pvp in the next mmo.

After a while this world just seems to be caught in a loop.

aliyavana wrote: »

Yes, nothing you can really do when your In a pug and the other group is a 4 stack of experienced pvpers.

Agree that they should break it out into "public" and "premade" queues but disagree that premades ruin the content.

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ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

There should definitely be a solo only queue in addition to the currently one. I know I'd play BGs a lot more if there was.

During late nights its not easy getting into a bg even early in night i have troubles with or without a group premade. If they made separate queues it would end up like the dungeon finder. Broken

Maybe ppl don't que because they don't want to be farmed by premades. I sure know I wouldn't,

Than why people didn't que when matchmaking was broken and allowed only solo q?

It was broken for solo too, just not as grievously broken. That is why.

Most games I play are full pugs, but then the occasional premade comes.

I'm very sorry that your unorganized pug with maybe only 1 or 2 "good" players isn't winning. Honestly sometimes 2 members of the group are the pugs and the other two are premade and just work well while the pugs fill in the gaps. I oly hear complaints about RNG which is nothing new

This one has had a lot of fun playing BGs, despite only doing it in solo queue and playing a weird support build. But I have to agree that once you run into premade stacks, things will get ugly pretty quickly. On the other hand you can get into a great pug team and get a lot of satisfaction by killing that premade team in another round...

At this point in time the population playing BGs might be its biggest problem. Hence why this one doesnt understand why the premades still go on with their farming business, no matter the consequences.
When I saw a popular streamer crushing through BGs with his high-skilled-friends team I wondered...."Wouldn't it be more skillfull to just split up in two 2 man groups and see if you can duke it out AGAINST each other...."?
But no....let the farming never end until even the last solo queue player has gone and you can wait 3 hours with your 4 man stack to get a matchup.

So yes, I agree....ZOS has done quite a bit wrong to get BGs to the place they are now. But we, as a whole community share some responsibility too. If you only play with your 4 man group in your comfortzone to go wreck people you are no better than ZOS for letting unbalanced BGs happening in the first place.

Premades that know they are queuing against pugs are bottom feeders, imo. Can't handle competition, and look for easy wins, then pat each other on the back for being so "awesome".

What's funny is that when Premades are only allowed to queue against Premades, they suddenly all disappear. Happens in every game that institutes a group vs group queue for pvp.


If you want to "group with friends" - go to Cyrodiil. Pugstomping is for carebears.

They ruin pvp as a whole, you can literally do nothing vs a heavy zerg full of wardens an healbots.

The only time I'l enter Battlegrounds is with a group of friends. I suck at PvP, so I go there simply to do an activity with friends. Take that away, and you won't see me in Battlegrounds again. Not sure if there are many like me, but this is my story, and I'll stick to it.