seriously now nerf absorb shields

  • Minalan
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    Aedaryl wrote: »
    Shield stacking harness + hardened is overperforming.

    The first problem is harness magicka. The sustain it bring is just too good : hwo think a spammable defensive ability that return more ressource than it cost is balanced ?
    Pro tip: Harness supplies zero sustain if you stop feeding it projectiles...

    A Magicka poison helps too. There are two shields in a stack and the big one isn’t free.
  • Sergykid
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    y'all keep repeating yourselves about the forum or arguing over sorc. I never mentioned "nerf sorc" i talk about the magicka absorption shields.

    as mag build, u can mitigate 15k damage per second. So as long as you have resources, you are very hard to kill.

    as stam build, u can't mitigate that much. Sure you can block and roll, but if u don't get damaged during that, the mitigating is zero. A shield will last longer so you can do something else by the time is drained. Not everyone has 15k dps in pvp build.

    Also as stam build, i can die in two seconds if bursted down, against a mag build i will have to drain its resources first. And don't come here with "time cc and ult" yeah doing that with every buff dot and proc up stop saying it u've been repeating urself the whole thread.
    -PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube
  • Lord-Otto
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    ^
    It's 12k for my Hardened, and I have more max mag than meta typically has.
    That 12k offers no resistance other than from crit. And it expires.
    Compare that to HoTs like Vigor. You get a bit less health per second, but it can crit. Throw in 10% mitigation from armor, and it is roughly the same, maybe slightly less.
    But it ticks on, even when you're doing something else. As in, when you're stunned. When you're attacking. When you apply another heal, like Momentum.
    And THEN comes the abundance of dodge or block for stam chars. Defenses that scale with your enemies, which shields don't.

    The general consensus from experienced sorcs is that we don't like shield stacking, neither - but we're forced to do it. If you give us an actually useful HoT, like a magical Vigor, and a more accessible scaling defense, like a magical dodgeroll, I would happily free that skill slot from Harness or even Healing. Which in return would also mean more damage for me, so be careful what you wish for.
    But as of now, with no HoTs and only a lengthy, demanding burst combo, having a proactive defense that gives us two or three GCD of mitigation is necessary.
  • gepe87
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    So. Tell us, people who want shields nerf, what kind of defensive skills would replace our shields? If you are so expert on sorcs, show us an alternative way.

    I gladly accept a no penalty streak or double range and get rid of shield stacking.

    We sorcs don't ask about NB nerfs when you run away with shadow disguise when you are losing. Or a nerf to Templar BoL spammers.
    Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General

    If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language
  • Malamar1229
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    Streak should generate ultimate
  • PhoenixGrey
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    Nerfing shields will destroy mag warden and magblade along with sorc s. But the community is so obsessed with sorc s so it doesn't care about the other 2.
  • Malamar1229
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    Nerfing shields will destroy mag warden and magblade along with sorc s. But the community is so obsessed with sorc s so it doesn't care about the other 2.

    By community he means the 4 or 5 players who still actually play sorc.
  • Ranger209
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    Check out what a 60k health dk can do with igneous and bone shield sometime, and those are AOE shields. So the Dk doesn't have to provide damage as they are shielding 3+ damage dealers for them. Maybe it's time only healing ward stacked with other shields. I main a mag sorc and only use 1 shield. I generally get by ok with that.
  • ak_pvp
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    Lord-Otto wrote: »
    @ak_pvp

    Your balancing suggestions are surprisingly reasonable, well done.

    I am disagreeing with your OP proclamation, though.
    Sorcs were OP only in the first three months of TU until IC and Battle Spirit. And arguably, stacking CP (which were uncapped) was more deciding.
    After Battle Spirit, mag Sorcs were never OP again.

    They were screwed by CP for two patches. Remember how there was a reduce magic damage star, but no equivalent to reduce physical damage? Remember how there was a star for elemental and one for magical, so you had to split? Stamina didn't have to do this. I remember Sypher, Fengrush, LeftyLucy and King Richard agree that stamina was better back then. And that Dragon Leap was the best ultimate just because it was physical.

    Then came TG and Vicious Death. While magicka was really strong then, too much even, the real winner were bombers. And unsurprisingly, every stamblade just switched to magblade and bombed to top leaderboard. Sorc OP? Far from it, magblade was.

    Dark Brotherhood screwed sustain and a couple other things. It was the darkest time for magicka, but especially sorcs. I was one of five, FIVE mag sorcs on the top 100 leaderboard. Go figure.

    Overall balancing improved afterwards, but guess what came to screw us again:
    PROC SETS!
    It didn't take ZOS long to nerf Infernal Guardian into uselessness, leaving sorcs with no good proc set.
    But Velidreth, Selene, Widowmaker, Valkyn Skoria and !!!V I P E R!!! continued to wreak havoc and define the meta for a looong time. To give you a perspective: they had to turn Viper into a DoT and completely rework proc sets TWICE to get them under control.
    Procblades instakilled for almost a year. Sorcs had thred months of fun with IG. And that set was far inferior to begin with.

    After the Procapolypse, things started looking bright. Balancing was quite good, at last. And then ZOS did a really silly move:
    They introduced a new class.
    Instead of polishing the balancing, they threw a new variable in. I remember telling my friends how I thought ZOS overextended and created too much work, just when they were so close to true balance.
    And look! How is the balancing for Warden, PvE and PvP now? And with every new balance patch, ZOS now have 25% more work to do. While, of course, balance updates are not delivered 1.25x as often. And now, there's yet another class on the horizon... Wanna take a guess how that is going to work out?

    And here we are. We traded stam dominance, bomb dominance and proc dominance for Warden dominance.
    On top of that, Wrobel insists on nerfing crucial sorc skills in succession to fit his scheme X, without caring about how it effects gameplay. He also refuses to go back on previous nerfs, what a great attitude!
    Sorcs are now undisputably inferior to magblades in any way, shape or form. Not that this would have ever been any different. They have been UP several times, but never been top dog after IC. The middle ground has been their tier. With good performance against potatoes, but being absolutely outclassed by the meta builds. However, now that they received additional nerfs and even the biggest potatoes slap on defensive armor and sets, and spam snares all day, even that middle ground has given in.

    We are not in a good state. At all.
    And I cry this out loud here, to ZOS and
    @ZOS_Wrobel

    MORE FREQUENT BALANCING, MORE THAN TWICE PER YEAR, PLEASE!!!

    There was the point where every class had an OP spec, desert rose Magtanks, black rose stamtank builds, proctatos, but as all those got nerfed shields were nearly untouched. The 6s change did so little in actual combat. There wasn't a time that shields ever lasted that long. It only affected preshielding.

    This was during the time of NB being just proctatos. Because that entire class was janky asf and cloak broke on dots for some reason. Bombers were a massive thing, but that got addressed decently fast honestly with two separate nerfs, one unsuccessful, the other quite so.

    The FOTM I was on about was the petsorcs who could tank at a DK level just stacking 3 separate shields with ease. It lasted for a long time, I played one myself honestly. Sorcs also used RM for a while, and that was mental. Pulse, 4k damage free, pulse, 4k damage free. I only played sorc for the pet build, so after that got made generally unusable I left it.

    They stayed FOTY not since the class was OP everywhere like a warden, but because they lasted a long time with minimal class nerfs, wheras every other class got hit early, sorc only started receiving proper class based nerfs around morrowind time. Shields only stopped being as broken when they were no longer as stackable, having to drop one either meant no heals, less sustain, or generally smaller shields.

    I generally think that all the classes bar NB need a massive revamp since they have lost their flare a lot. Warden was badly made to start. Sorcs are no longer the swift summoners, but goofy shield and clench spammers. Unfortunately with the next few balance updates ZOS wants to go for the 3 separate t/h/dd tree system which will probably ruin things more.
    MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
    Best houseknight EU.
  • Lord-Otto
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    Pet sorcs are a different thing entirely. Absolutely OP in duels, absolutely unfit for regular Cyro. I wouldn't take duels too much into account therefore. You wouldn't meet a good mag sorc on a pet dueling build in Cyro.
  • Toast_STS
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    I made a ice warden with a charged ice staff so I could root people in PvP with blockade of elements (the chilled status does a small amount of cold damage and can proc winterborn). But I found out that status effects don't work on shields =( I guess bleeds don't either but I haven't tested it. Fix those things and I will be happy with shields.

    Shields on an opponent make the sharpened trait useless which is fine but why they got to negate the charged trait too.
    VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps
  • PhoenixGrey
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    @Killset
    I agree with what you said. Everyone has a right to express his own opinion. But then if ur opinion is wrong all the time you are eventually gonna get stick
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