seriously now nerf absorb shields

Lord-Otto

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Merlin13KAGL

Sergykid wrote: »

i don't say nerf magsorc or magden or whatever, just the absorbs amount is ridiculous. Stacking the resto shield when low hp and annulment will grant over 20k absorb, which can be spammed. I must have 40k dps in a pvp build to even break that down. And i can't compare the amount of resources i waste to get through this against the resources to apply these absorbs. Don't come to me with things like "get shieldbreaker" yeah everyone let's get this one set because of every mag build running absorbs.

*Breaks out calculator, just to make sure he's doing the math right*

20k shield / 40k dps = 0.5 second kill time...

So, you need to be able to kill people in 1/2 a second, or it's OP?

• You know shields cost resources, right?
• You know resources aren't unlimited?
• You know a very large portion of PvP is about out-resourcing your opponent, not just oneshotting them?

Sergykid

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

i don't say nerf magsorc or magden or whatever, just the absorbs amount is ridiculous. Stacking the resto shield when low hp and annulment will grant over 20k absorb, which can be spammed. I must have 40k dps in a pvp build to even break that down. And i can't compare the amount of resources i waste to get through this against the resources to apply these absorbs. Don't come to me with things like "get shieldbreaker" yeah everyone let's get this one set because of every mag build running absorbs.

*Breaks out calculator, just to make sure he's doing the math right*

20k shield / 40k dps = 0.5 second kill time...

So, you need to be able to kill people in 1/2 a second, or it's OP?

• You know shields cost resources, right?
• You know resources aren't unlimited?
• You know a very large portion of PvP is about out-resourcing your opponent, not just oneshotting them?

20k absorb in Cryodill, means i must do 40k dps on a target skeleton in a pvp build, because in Cryodill dps is halved, so it will be 20k against a 20k absorbs shields. I know absorb shields are halved too, and that's the halved value.

shields costs resources? so does my abilities to break it. Mine aren't unlimited too. How about the people that never seem to run out of resources even with cost increase poisons applied on them?

Killset

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Nah... Don’t feel sorry for me... I’m not angry in the slightest... I’m just trying to keep forum cry babies like you honest! It’s not easy.

Merlin13KAGL

Sergykid wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

i don't say nerf magsorc or magden or whatever, just the absorbs amount is ridiculous. Stacking the resto shield when low hp and annulment will grant over 20k absorb, which can be spammed. I must have 40k dps in a pvp build to even break that down. And i can't compare the amount of resources i waste to get through this against the resources to apply these absorbs. Don't come to me with things like "get shieldbreaker" yeah everyone let's get this one set because of every mag build running absorbs.

*Breaks out calculator, just to make sure he's doing the math right*

20k shield / 40k dps = 0.5 second kill time...

So, you need to be able to kill people in 1/2 a second, or it's OP?

• You know shields cost resources, right?
• You know resources aren't unlimited?
• You know a very large portion of PvP is about out-resourcing your opponent, not just oneshotting them?

20k absorb in Cryodill, means i must do 40k dps on a target skeleton in a pvp build, because in Cryodill dps is halved, so it will be 20k against a 20k absorbs shields. I know absorb shields are halved too, and that's the halved value.

shields costs resources? so does my abilities to break it. Mine aren't unlimited too. How about the people that never seem to run out of resources even with cost increase poisons applied on them?

Except the part you're missing, ironically, is the very part you pointed out.

Two shields = two skills = two global cooldowns.

So, you need to break 20k within 2 seconds, which is 10k DPS in Cyro, 20k DPS in Tamriel proper.

If you do this (which you can do, in part by LA/HA, which cost nothing) and the other person repeats the shield:

1. They get no final heal from Healing Ward.
2. They're not getting to damage you, which means you don't have to heal/shield.
3. With your cost attacks and free attacks, vs their shield costs, they will eventually run out of resources or be forced to disengage.

Throw in some stuns/CC's and other interesting stuff, and they're going to go down.

No one is unkillable in Cyrodiil. No one.

Also, Abs Magic only absorbs spell projectiles. If you're using any other kind of damage, there is no magicka return happening.

On the other hand, if you're simply feeding their pool by your choice of attacks, then it's not a shield issue, it's a build or a L2P issue.

Joy_Division

Sergykid wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Been keeping tabs on your posts as you are clearly delving into higher level PvP and have many questions. Here’s the thing bud. There’s two kinds of pvpers. One kind that thinks everything that beats them is op, cheese, cancer etc. They die non stop and respawn right on the forums with incensed opinions on what needs to be nerfed. These players never improve. The second kind investigate why they struggle and how to improve. These players get good.

Don’t be the first guy. If you wanna improve at the game, you need to fall into the second camp.

i every time look at death cap to see the abilities, follow youtube pvpers, ask people that beat me about what they use, tested several sets etc, but never seem to improve. At some point it just gets down to numbers, in which absorb shields are high.

You can ask yourself this:

Why do I struggle against magsorcs and magdens such that I felt compelled to make a nerf post and why do others seem to do fine against them?

It's either you or your build that needs improving.

King_Thelon

BEHOLD young ones,
If you have cried for nerfs
While shaking the hands of bloblings
You have been trapped by what you have spoken.

So do this, youngling,
To free yourself:

Go to the point of exhaustion,
And give your former bloblings no quarry.
Allow no sleep to come to your eyes,
And no temptress to befall your eyelids.
Free yourself, like a soloist from the hands of the blob,
Like a mighty eagle from the snare of the fowler.

Go and bear witness to the eagle, you sluggard!
Consider its ways and be wise.
It has no commander,
No overseer
No ruler
Yet it stores it's provisions and gathers food at harvest.

How long will you lie here, sluggard?
When shall you arise from your sleep?
A little sleep, a little slumber,
A little folding of the arms to rest.

The poverty of zerging will come at you
Like a thief in the night
And bring to you scarcity
While you remain surrounded by the blob.

There are six things KING THELON,
Taker of Swords and Stealer of Scrolls hates,
And seven that are detestable to HIM:

Haughty eyes,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed the blood of innocents,
Hearts that devise zergling schemes,
Feet that are quick to rush to the blob,
A false witness who cries for nerfs,
And a person who stirs up conflict in a community,
That has already seen its best of days.

Lord-Otto

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Nah... Don’t feel sorry for me... I’m not angry in the slightest... I’m just trying to keep forum cry babies like you honest! It’s not easy.

Yes, because taking things to a personal area and not providing any topic-related thoughts whatsoever sure provokes honest feedback on the matter, especially when you put an insult into your post, categorising discussers as infant children.

But I got nothing better to do...
Come on, don't be shy. Tell your war stories with and against sorcs. Explain the mechanics behind the skills. Mention the go-to combos, elaborate on gear choices.
Show us that you're an asset to this discussion and stand above little crybabies like me that have played this class only for... ever.
I'll make sure to give you some honest feedback on your gameplay, if that's what you want...

CompM4s

Seems like no matter how many quality answers are given on how to beat sorcs are given, the OP will continue to make excuses on why shields should be nerfed.

Waffennacht

CompM4s wrote: »

Seems like no matter how many quality answers are given on how to beat sorcs are given, the OP will continue to make excuses on why shields should be nerfed.

This is just plain true. They have a subpar build and refuse to change because "they wanna play how they want!" And instead call for nerfs.

It's very unfortunate

Sergykid

Waffennacht wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Seems like no matter how many quality answers are given on how to beat sorcs are given, the OP will continue to make excuses on why shields should be nerfed.

This is just plain true. They have a subpar build and refuse to change because "they wanna play how they want!" And instead call for nerfs.

It's very unfortunate

instead of commenting without knowing, you could have read a few posts in the first page to know that i use an optimal build and rotation: bone pirate + ravager, keeping dots procs jabs potl and cc with ult timed; even with all these he can just spam the shield through the burst and survive to just heavy attack back to replenish magicka or simply run away out of sight, then burst you down with their own cc and ult turn. If i do 10k dps, their 10k shields reach 0. If they do 10k dps, well, i don't have any 10k per second mitigation.

Waffennacht

Sergykid wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Seems like no matter how many quality answers are given on how to beat sorcs are given, the OP will continue to make excuses on why shields should be nerfed.

This is just plain true. They have a subpar build and refuse to change because "they wanna play how they want!" And instead call for nerfs.

It's very unfortunate

instead of commenting without knowing, you could have read a few posts in the first page to know that i use an optimal build and rotation: bone pirate + ravager, keeping dots procs jabs potl and cc with ult timed; even with all these he can just spam the shield through the burst and survive to just heavy attack back to replenish magicka or simply run away out of sight, then burst you down with their own cc and ult turn. If i do 10k dps, their 10k shields reach 0. If they do 10k dps, well, i don't have any 10k per second mitigation.

Well first off they shouldn't kill you cuz you should just Purge curse.

I don't know if you really mean dps or not.

Your BURST should be able to deal 20k (40k outside PvP) in 1/2 GCDs.

Example for a stamplar would be, backlash, + oh so many proc sets + DboS into an execute (you shouldn't be running without 2h imo as a Stam character in PvP)

7.5+ from DboS + 6k from say Selene + backlash (3/4k) + 7k execute = 24k burst dmg

bardx86

Waffennacht wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Seems like no matter how many quality answers are given on how to beat sorcs are given, the OP will continue to make excuses on why shields should be nerfed.

This is just plain true. They have a subpar build and refuse to change because "they wanna play how they want!" And instead call for nerfs.

It's very unfortunate

instead of commenting without knowing, you could have read a few posts in the first page to know that i use an optimal build and rotation: bone pirate + ravager, keeping dots procs jabs potl and cc with ult timed; even with all these he can just spam the shield through the burst and survive to just heavy attack back to replenish magicka or simply run away out of sight, then burst you down with their own cc and ult turn. If i do 10k dps, their 10k shields reach 0. If they do 10k dps, well, i don't have any 10k per second mitigation.

Well first off they shouldn't kill you cuz you should just Purge curse.

I don't know if you really mean dps or not.

Your BURST should be able to deal 20k (40k outside PvP) in 1/2 GCDs.

Example for a stamplar would be, backlash, + oh so many proc sets + DboS into an execute (you shouldn't be running without 2h imo as a Stam character in PvP)

7.5+ from DboS + 6k from say Selene + backlash (3/4k) + 7k execute = 24k burst dmg

My God just think if he had to fight us sorcs in 1.6. His head would have exploded.

jerj6925

Any combat system that allows one player to withstand the damage of 7+ players is seriously flawed. I know to many of you that make this kind of build will defend it as it makes you feel soooooo good in side and yea your a skilled player (Hell people even acknowledge them as cancer builds). it makes combat so utterly boring when the fight goes on for 5+ minutes trying to kill the one person.

I watched a Sorc and dragon knight duel and it was another boring fight because neither one could kill the other. both were in area chat so I could listen to what they were saying and in the end both agreed the fight was dumb and just ended it. This kind of thing is more and more common if you just sit and watch the areas where people go to duel, watching paint dry is more exciting.

I watched a Dragon night just stand in cyrodiil while blocking as 15 people attacked him non stop, and his life didn't budge one bit and after 10+ minutes (yes I watched the clock as I lay there dead) they all gave up and just left. Another situation played out just like this only this time one of them set up a cold fire after 5 minutes to finally start damaging and then eventually kill the dragon night... 15 people and one more with a cold fire ballista to finally kill the 1 dragon knight.

This games PVP has gone way past too far with damage mitigation, honestly the only two classes that should have any heal ability out side of potions should be wardens and Templars and everyone else no healing for you.. maybe Templars could be viable options again. for Sorcs, Night blades and Dragon knights healing should be a way to recover after the fight and out of combat not during and I only say this because of all the damage mitigation they have at their disposal at this time.

I think the magica Templar is really the only class that is how Zenimax would like the other to be, you can do a tank build and yes it will be really hard to take down but you wont do poop for dps, or you can be really dps focused but you will crumble fast so pick what you want to do. The other 3 have the best of all worlds right now and that leads to boring fights.

Oh yea with current combat set up and I read though all the posts the one common trend I see is well if your playing this class you have to be set up this way or if your playing that class you need to be set up this way.. its also killing the diversity of viable classes and play styles.

Chilly-McFreeze

That was close. I nearly hit agree on that wall of text. But the second half really killed it. It also doesn't help that this suggestion comes from a templar player either.

jerj6925

Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player?? its the most gimp class in the game, and if they are to be pigeonholed as healers then taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again. as it stands now, it might be ok to have them in a PVP group but they are not needed at all. this game is all about the top 3 now, honestly if they had a change class option like they do race I would have used it by now.

CyrusArya

jerj6925 wrote: »

Any combat system that allows one player to withstand the damage of 7+ players is seriously flawed. I know to many of you that make this kind of build will defend it as it makes you feel soooooo good in side and yea your a skilled player (Hell people even acknowledge them as cancer builds). it makes combat so utterly boring when the fight goes on for 5+ minutes trying to kill the one person.

It’s not the combat system that’s flawed. No player on any clsss is gonna survive for long with three equally skilled opponents on em , let alone kill any of em. The scenario you describe happens because people who tend to Xv1 tend to be bad. You can’t balance for variation in player skill, and any game that went out of their way to do so wouldn’t be worth playing.

Waffennacht

Last 3 BGs, cuz temps are so bad

Vaoh

CyrusArya wrote: »

Been keeping tabs on your posts as you are clearly delving into higher level PvP and have many questions. Here’s the thing bud. There’s two kinds of pvpers. One kind that thinks everything that beats them is op, cheese, cancer etc. They die non stop and respawn right on the forums with incensed opinions on what needs to be nerfed. These players never improve. The second kind investigate why they struggle and how to improve. These players get good.

Don’t be the first guy. If you wanna improve at the game, you need to fall into the second camp.

^^^^

Chilly-McFreeze

jerj6925 wrote: »

Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player?? its the most gimp class in the game, and if they are to be pigeonholed as healers then taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again. as it stands now, it might be ok to have them in a PVP group but they are not needed at all. this game is all about the top 3 now, honestly if they had a change class option like they do race I would have used it by now.

I doubt that Templars are "the most gimp class in the game", "pigeonholed as healers". It's not like they don't have any offensive tools at all, you know?

"taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again"
If your group has a competent templar healer you already have an advantage. Templars are still the best healers with the best purge option avaible.

"Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player??"
Severly gimping every other class beside your own and wardens might come across a bit biased. And hey, what's that? Are you pigeonholing everyone but templars and wardens in non-healing, glass cannon roles?

Your argument is flawed.

CompM4s

Just to throw it out there. I main a Magplar and do not have any issues against magsorcs compared to any other class. Simply just learned how to fight them. Have to fight every single class and build differently.

Minalan

CompM4s wrote: »

Just to throw it out there. I main a Magplar and do not have any issues against magsorcs compared to any other class. Simply just learned how to fight them. Have to fight every single class and build differently.

Yeah, purge off the curse, it’s not like they can burst you without it.

Minalan

Let’s take note that nightblade nerf threads get closed down. Sorc nerf threads don’t.

The mods play nightblades.

Sergykid

it's not like you can purge permanently, especially as a stamplar. And as a stam build, i am able to die with my resources full, while a mag build must first be drained of his magicka until able to be killed because of those shields.

Ragnarock41

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Endless fury/ mages wrath is an awesome pve spell, but my god it's such awful pvp design. My only issue with sorcs.

I still have no idea why they nerfed C.frags over that bs.

I mean, nerf the ability that is blockable,dodgeable,reflectable, but leave to no counterplay abilities just fine...

ZOS at its finest.

jerj6925

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

jerj6925 wrote: »

Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player?? its the most gimp class in the game, and if they are to be pigeonholed as healers then taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again. as it stands now, it might be ok to have them in a PVP group but they are not needed at all. this game is all about the top 3 now, honestly if they had a change class option like they do race I would have used it by now.

I doubt that Templars are "the most gimp class in the game", "pigeonholed as healers". It's not like they don't have any offensive tools at all, you know?

"taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again"
If your group has a competent templar healer you already have an advantage. Templars are still the best healers with the best purge option avaible.

"Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player??"
Severly gimping every other class beside your own and wardens might come across a bit biased. And hey, what's that? Are you pigeonholing everyone but templars and wardens in non-healing, glass cannon roles?

Your argument is flawed.

You prove my point and its also sad you and other have to mislead people by putting words in my mouth, you know things I never said. I don't want to gimp every other class in the game, that's lame as ***, I want Templars to be a viable threat in the game and enjoyable as a DPS class again in PVP.

Templars are the most under performing class, I have watched countless hours of video on YouTube (were they even they note Magica Templars are under performing compared to the other three and you really need to run as a group). any website I can find with builds and tactics, endless conversations with in game players (only play on the PS4) and I have yet to meet anyone in the last year who tells me Templars are kicking butt in PVP or there is no better class than a magicaTemplar... well unless you look at them as a Healer only, thus pigeonholed to one roll if you really wish to be viable. I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to spend a little time with me and talk with me to share this information. I have talked with people countless times after watching them duel and ask them what I can do to make a Templar better. The response I always get is your build really cant get any better for DPS performance and Templars will never compete as a DPS class with the way things are currently. This does not mean it cant change its just right now.

What I find on the other hand in over abundance is never ending comments like, L2P or get good or get better mitigation or get your dps up yet never any useful real information and after those comments I ask well what the suggestion... and they stop right their with their comments.

Honestly the only responses I'm expecting at this point are the typical quick replies and this start to divert from the original post were I still think there is way to much mitigation in this game.

KingYogi415

Please learn to CC

Waffennacht

jerj6925 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

jerj6925 wrote: »

Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player?? its the most gimp class in the game, and if they are to be pigeonholed as healers then taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again. as it stands now, it might be ok to have them in a PVP group but they are not needed at all. this game is all about the top 3 now, honestly if they had a change class option like they do race I would have used it by now.

I doubt that Templars are "the most gimp class in the game", "pigeonholed as healers". It's not like they don't have any offensive tools at all, you know?

"taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again"
If your group has a competent templar healer you already have an advantage. Templars are still the best healers with the best purge option avaible.

"Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player??"
Severly gimping every other class beside your own and wardens might come across a bit biased. And hey, what's that? Are you pigeonholing everyone but templars and wardens in non-healing, glass cannon roles?

Your argument is flawed.

You prove my point and its also sad you and other have to mislead people by putting words in my mouth, you know things I never said. I don't want to gimp every other class in the game, that's lame as ***, I want Templars to be a viable threat in the game and enjoyable as a DPS class again in PVP.

Templars are the most under performing class, I have watched countless hours of video on YouTube (were they even they note Magica Templars are under performing compared to the other three and you really need to run as a group). any website I can find with builds and tactics, endless conversations with in game players (only play on the PS4) and I have yet to meet anyone in the last year who tells me Templars are kicking butt in PVP or there is no better class than a magicaTemplar... well unless you look at them as a Healer only, thus pigeonholed to one roll if you really wish to be viable. I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to spend a little time with me and talk with me to share this information. I have talked with people countless times after watching them duel and ask them what I can do to make a Templar better. The response I always get is your build really cant get any better for DPS performance and Templars will never compete as a DPS class with the way things are currently. This does not mean it cant change its just right now.

What I find on the other hand in over abundance is never ending comments like, L2P or get good or get better mitigation or get your dps up yet never any useful real information and after those comments I ask well what the suggestion... and they stop right their with their comments.

Honestly the only responses I'm expecting at this point are the typical quick replies and this start to divert from the original post were I still think there is way to much mitigation in this game.

I'm a highly ranked leaderboader
I 1vX regularly
I feel as if 1v1 no player can take me

All on my magplar that's most definitely not a healer
I most certainly do not feel pigeonholed in the least (especially when I compare how I feel with my mSorc)
Is magplar the best class? No.

You, however, seem to have magplar confused with mSorc

Chilly-McFreeze

jerj6925 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

jerj6925 wrote: »

Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player?? its the most gimp class in the game, and if they are to be pigeonholed as healers then taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again. as it stands now, it might be ok to have them in a PVP group but they are not needed at all. this game is all about the top 3 now, honestly if they had a change class option like they do race I would have used it by now.

I doubt that Templars are "the most gimp class in the game", "pigeonholed as healers". It's not like they don't have any offensive tools at all, you know?

"taking away healing at least during combat would make them important again"
If your group has a competent templar healer you already have an advantage. Templars are still the best healers with the best purge option avaible.

"Why would it matter that I'm a Templar player??"
Severly gimping every other class beside your own and wardens might come across a bit biased. And hey, what's that? Are you pigeonholing everyone but templars and wardens in non-healing, glass cannon roles?

Your argument is flawed.

You prove my point and its also sad you and other have to mislead people by putting words in my mouth, you know things I never said. I don't want to gimp every other class in the game, that's lame as ***, I want Templars to be a viable threat in the game and enjoyable as a DPS class again in PVP.

Templars are the most under performing class, I have watched countless hours of video on YouTube (were they even they note Magica Templars are under performing compared to the other three and you really need to run as a group). any website I can find with builds and tactics, endless conversations with in game players (only play on the PS4) and I have yet to meet anyone in the last year who tells me Templars are kicking butt in PVP or there is no better class than a magicaTemplar... well unless you look at them as a Healer only, thus pigeonholed to one roll if you really wish to be viable. I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to spend a little time with me and talk with me to share this information. I have talked with people countless times after watching them duel and ask them what I can do to make a Templar better. The response I always get is your build really cant get any better for DPS performance and Templars will never compete as a DPS class with the way things are currently. This does not mean it cant change its just right now.

What I find on the other hand in over abundance is never ending comments like, L2P or get good or get better mitigation or get your dps up yet never any useful real information and after those comments I ask well what the suggestion... and they stop right their with their comments.

Honestly the only responses I'm expecting at this point are the typical quick replies and this start to divert from the original post were I still think there is way to much mitigation in this game.

"you and other have to mislead people by putting words in my mouth, you know things I never said."
what you said in your first post was:
" honestly the only two classes that should have any heal ability out side of potions should be wardens and Templars and everyone else no healing for you"

I don't really know what you understand as gimping but taking away every option to heal from DK, NB and Sorcs is exactly what I understand as it. And I haven't even played the "PvE gets nerfed to the ground bc of PvP" card here. It's just an absurd idea to begin with. With all the easy to come by major and minor defile, which easily stacks to 50%+ less healing in CP, healing is already gimped. Have you seen that siphoner CP and the fact that health regen now also is influenced by defile?
And sure, you can't perma-purge as a stam char. So what? You can also die with full resources as a mag char when you get CC'd in the right moment. Timing is imporant. It was explained several times in this and the other nerf-sorc thread.

"Templars are the most under performing class" + "unless you look at them as a Healer only, thus pigeonholed to one roll if you really wish to be viable"
My impression is a bit different. I've seen some magPlars and stamPlars on Vivec EU kickin butts. And yes, their survivability is high (especially mP) but their offense is not ignore. Maybe it's a l2p issue on my behalf, maybe it's one on your side. It's not like I can't kill any templar but it's not like I'm never defeated by one as well.

" I have yet to meet anyone in the last year who tells me Templars are kicking butt in PVP or there is no better class than a magicaTemplar"
If that's your aim, to push Templars to the level that "there is no better class than a magicaTemplar", we can stop this conversation right here. No reason for any class to be the absolut best by any means. But your suggestion (no heals for anyone but Templars/wardens) seem to aim at exactly that. I hope you just didn't express yourself very well here. And just a wild guess, are those guys who say magplar sucks the same that say magSorcs are OP?

"What I find on the other hand in over abundance is never ending comments like, L2P or get good or get better mitigation or get your dps up yet never any useful real information and after those comments I ask well what the suggestion... and they stop right their with their comments."
It's hard to tell where your build can be optimised when you don't tell us what you run. Make a thread and I'm sure someone will help you out with your build, tactics or whatever.


"Honestly the only responses I'm expecting at this point are the typical quick replies and this start to divert from the original post were I still think there is way to much mitigation in this game."
From your forum history I can't see that you asked for help on your char. All I see is that you think Nightblades are OP and, if I get a clue from your posts in this thread, sorcs and DK are OP as well.

Permablocking took a hit, healing got gutted via defile CP, 7th legion now has a cooldown on heals. I see more and more people using medium instead of heavy. Of course there are some builds that can turtle up and survive indefinitely against pugs. But those won't survive long against skilled groups nor are they a real threat to anyone, they are mostly annoying. And on top of that they don't stand there in the open facetanking, they use a mixture of different things, especially LoS. And finally I wouldn't dare to say this game should be balanced around duels.

Emmagoldman

In pvp, sorcs use to top tier for 1 v 1, and that diminished fast with 1 v x. Now, sorcs are not at all top tier for 1 v 1, let alone 1 v x.

Is it possible you came across a good sorc? I know we all have egos, but sorcs have seriously diminished in player base.

You can also make a nb that is tanky and hits hard as a truck