seriously now nerf absorb shields

Joy_Division

Other classes always get compared to sorcs in nerf sorc threads.

By far my most played PvP classes are sorc and Magplar. My humble opinion:

Both classes have major issues (especially when considering what both used to be able to do before ZoS's mass nerfs.

Is a magplar pigeonholed as a healer? No. It's not. But if you go solo with it in the open world, when you run into too many enemies (read 1 person who knows what they are doing + enough PuGs that you can't ignore), you are going to die and have to rez. That gets old, which is why a lot of dedicated solo players don't run magplar. I prefer my Magplar over my sorc in a straight up fight (when I'm not being Xv1ed). Magplars do heal/support better than they tank or bomb. So while they are not pigeonholed in that role, it strengths and that they are terrible open world makes the role a natural fit.

I do find my sorc is still #1 top tier at killing inexperienced players. I don't like how their special proc has been turned into just a cheap projectile that is easily dodge, reflected, or blocked. This is beyond dumb and it tore a lot of the soul out of the class and makes it frustrating to play when matched up Vs. good players.

I don't think one is better than the other. It's all circumstantial. What I would say is that both are probably going to be frustrating to play for players who have been here since launch and know what both classes used to be able to do.

jerj6925

chilly-mcfreeze you are really just cherry picking from all my comments or you just simply don't get it. your like arguing with a politician.

DivineFirstYOLO

*ding **** - this one is selling shield breaker swords and for you sneaky ones out there even bows so you can snipe them evil sorcs in a Xv1 - i guarantee they will die.

get a discount on the shield breaker set by typing #MeToo in your posts - only few items left be quick and get gud.

Chilly-McFreeze

jerj6925 wrote: »

chilly-mcfreeze you are really just cherry picking from all my comments or you just simply don't get it. your like arguing with a politician.

Honestly the only response I expected to get at this point is the typical quick reply.

You said people are too hard to kill and therefore healing must be stripped from 3 of 5 classes.
You said mitigation is too high and I replied with what changed to counter that survivability (block costs, sets, defile).
You said you saw someone tank 15+ noobs and I said it's a lot about LoS and weak opponents.
You said you watched a duel stalemate between a Sorc and a DK and I said duels are not the way to judge balance.
You said mPlars are only worth playing as a healer, I (and others) have a different opinion on that.
You said no one answers beside L2P and never advices you, I said you didn't ask and if you'd ask, we would help.

Only thing you do at this point is avoiding arguments. Get your *** together.

lassitershawn

Drdeath20 wrote: »

forum sorcs and nightblades are adamant that streak and cloak are easy to counter. Well maybe we should take these awful skills from them and make them world skills available to everyone. Remember they keep insisting these are such easy to counter skills so they really wont be missed.

I find it funng how every sorc and nighblade seem to manage getting by slotting such awful skills. I mean every 1 slots it.

Not sure you will listen to me because I main sorc, but cloak is very easy to counter. The original nerfs to it were undeserved. So were lots of other nerfs to many things, all due to threads like this.

Killset

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Nah... Don’t feel sorry for me... I’m not angry in the slightest... I’m just trying to keep forum cry babies like you honest! It’s not easy.

Yes, because taking things to a personal area and not providing any topic-related thoughts whatsoever sure provokes honest feedback on the matter, especially when you put an insult into your post, categorising discussers as infant children.

But I got nothing better to do...
Come on, don't be shy. Tell your war stories with and against sorcs. Explain the mechanics behind the skills. Mention the go-to combos, elaborate on gear choices.
Show us that you're an asset to this discussion and stand above little crybabies like me that have played this class only for... ever.
I'll make sure to give you some honest feedback on your gameplay, if that's what you want...

Here is the thing... I watch you and a host of other forum sorcs bash, bully and cajole anyone who speaks out against the class. And yes with personal insults. And if you see a post from someone else doing it you spam the “like” and “awesome” tabs all the while defending it by calling it “satire” or some other BS.

I’ll clarify what is going on here.. Dwemer Paleontologist expressed his opinion (right or wrong) and got flamed for it. It went so far as to call him a weirdo. Because this roast fits your agenda you sit here and try to defend it. I’m sick of it so I will start doing the same *** I see done to other ppl on a daily basis.

I play on Xbox NA same GT. I will be happy to duel you and listen to your “honest” feedback. I can even hook you up with some phenomenal sorcs who know what the class is capable of and might help you out since you seem to be having such a hard time. If by some miracle you are on Xbox NA you can also check my clips and see what I’m about. And for the record, I am all for a forums where ppl don’t flame each other the split second they see an opinion they don’t agree with. But it works both ways.

Lorkhan

Im with the op, nerf shields!

Feanor

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Nah... Don’t feel sorry for me... I’m not angry in the slightest... I’m just trying to keep forum cry babies like you honest! It’s not easy.

Yes, because taking things to a personal area and not providing any topic-related thoughts whatsoever sure provokes honest feedback on the matter, especially when you put an insult into your post, categorising discussers as infant children.

But I got nothing better to do...
Come on, don't be shy. Tell your war stories with and against sorcs. Explain the mechanics behind the skills. Mention the go-to combos, elaborate on gear choices.
Show us that you're an asset to this discussion and stand above little crybabies like me that have played this class only for... ever.
I'll make sure to give you some honest feedback on your gameplay, if that's what you want...

Here is the thing... I watch you and a host of other forum sorcs bash, bully and cajole anyone who speaks out against the class. And yes with personal insults. And if you see a post from someone else doing it you spam the “like” and “awesome” tabs all the while defending it by calling it “satire” or some other BS.

I’ll clarify what is going on here.. Dwemer Paleontologist expressed his opinion (right or wrong) and got flamed for it. It went so far as to call him a weirdo. Because this roast fits your agenda you sit here and try to defend it. I’m sick of it so I will start doing the same *** I see done to other ppl on a daily basis.

I play on Xbox NA same GT. I will be happy to duel you and listen to your “honest” feedback. I can even hook you up with some phenomenal sorcs who know what the class is capable of and might help you out since you seem to be having such a hard time. If by some miracle you are on Xbox NA you can also check my clips and see what I’m about. And for the record, I am all for a forums where ppl don’t flame each other the split second they see an opinion they don’t agree with. But it works both ways.

It’s when an opinion based on facts and experience by playing the class since launch gets responded by “L2P” or “git gud” or “I played a Sorc last weekend and got 3 million kills it’s OP plz nerf” that people posting on here grow a little tired.

Ironically it’s mostly always NBs that litter the threads with complaints about Sorcs. In comparison look at the NB nerf thread in the general section. The discussion here has been very polite compared to that.

Waffennacht

@killset have you not read dwrmer's posts for years? It's constant bash on Sorcs, constant l2p issues etc

And yeah I've seen you around, seen you in BGs, I wouldn't think anyone is gonna be changing their ideas just cause they played you lol

Lord-Otto

Yeah, Killset, as others have mentioned...
Dwemer is notorious for stating the same nonsense over and over. It's typically something like "sorcs have been OP since beta", which every experienced player simply knows better. And that coming from a NB is just sprinkling salt on the cake, as that class has actually been top dog in multiple metas, and was never underpowered again since IC.

I am willing to listen to intricate feedback, but I will absolutely bash you on a superficial level if you give superficial feedback. And this is what you're doing right now. I ask for details about your playstyle, and you basically answer with the stereotypical "1v1 me, bro". Why would I treat your posts with respect then?

Minalan

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, we see what you did there.
Overload formed a sarcastic post about someone's views of a playstyle, something regarding the game.
You tried to be as smart and formed a sarcastic post filled with personal insults unrelated to the game.
You failed horribly and exposed yourself as not on the same level as Overload, that's what you did there.

And calling someone a weirdo isn’t a personal insult? It’s hilarious how aggressive and defensive the Sorc community gets. There is a cast of characters on these forums that slams and bashes anyone expressing an opinion that doesn’t support their narrative. And what’s sad is it gets defended.

The forums are a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss opinions and viewpoints based on their own in game experiences. Right or wrong. Not get insulted in a moronic “satirical” post as you called it. So yeah, I guess I’ll just start firing back. And you just exposed yourself for someone who will defend any type of behavior as long as it aligns with your own agenda.

Boy, if being called "weird" on a forum triggers you, I truly feel sorry for you. The internet will crush your soul then.
Grow up.

Nah... Don’t feel sorry for me... I’m not angry in the slightest... I’m just trying to keep forum cry babies like you honest! It’s not easy.

Yes, because taking things to a personal area and not providing any topic-related thoughts whatsoever sure provokes honest feedback on the matter, especially when you put an insult into your post, categorising discussers as infant children.

But I got nothing better to do...
Come on, don't be shy. Tell your war stories with and against sorcs. Explain the mechanics behind the skills. Mention the go-to combos, elaborate on gear choices.
Show us that you're an asset to this discussion and stand above little crybabies like me that have played this class only for... ever.
I'll make sure to give you some honest feedback on your gameplay, if that's what you want...

Here is the thing... I watch you and a host of other forum sorcs bash, bully and cajole anyone who speaks out against the class. And yes with personal insults. And if you see a post from someone else doing it you spam the “like” and “awesome” tabs all the while defending it by calling it “satire” or some other BS.

I’ll clarify what is going on here.. Dwemer Paleontologist expressed his opinion (right or wrong) and got flamed for it. It went so far as to call him a weirdo. Because this roast fits your agenda you sit here and try to defend it. I’m sick of it so I will start doing the same *** I see done to other ppl on a daily basis.

I play on Xbox NA same GT. I will be happy to duel you and listen to your “honest” feedback. I can even hook you up with some phenomenal sorcs who know what the class is capable of and might help you out since you seem to be having such a hard time. If by some miracle you are on Xbox NA you can also check my clips and see what I’m about. And for the record, I am all for a forums where ppl don’t flame each other the split second they see an opinion they don’t agree with. But it works both ways.

Here’s a ‘nerf nightblade’ thread with about 200+ bash posts about the OP.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397078/the-only-thing-missing-for-class-balance-is-a-nightblade-nerf#latest

It’s one of the few that hasn’t been outright SHUT DOWN by mods in the last week, because of nightblade personal insults:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4877622#Comment_4877622

Sooo... Hey kettle, you’re looking a little black!

Personally? I think nightblades who then come HERE begging for Sorc ‘adjustments’ are just pathetic. Completely, utterly, and miserably hypocritical, thus worthy of all the disgust and well-deserved negativity you see here.

TLDR; get bent.

Killset

Waffennacht wrote: »

@killset have you not read dwrmer's posts for years? It's constant bash on Sorcs, constant l2p issues etc

And yeah I've seen you around, seen you in BGs, I wouldn't think anyone is gonna be changing their ideas just cause they played you lol

I know who he is. And I rarely agree with anything he says. But he still has a right to say it, regardless of whether he is right or wrong. At the end of the day, we each form our opinions based on our in game experiences. Some of us then come to the forums to either discuss our experiences or relay our opinions based on those experiences.

We can list skills, compare passives, agree, disagree, whatever. But in PvP, when the rubber hits the road, all we can do is come up with an opinion on a class or build based on how we FEEL it performs. There will always be the L2P and git guders of the forums and that’s fine. Most everyone who PvPs is probably at least mildly competitive and the trash talk is fun.

What is starting to annoy the *** out of me is the gang ups and the insults. And I usually see it from the same cast of usual suspects. I read the Dwemer roast, got annoyed, and fired back. I don’t regret it. But with that being said, if I do it agin, I will try to be less hostile. Hopefully everyone else does the same. See you out there Shenronnacht.

Lord-Otto

Come on, calling someone weird is barely worth raising an eyebrow. This is the internet and this forum is actually quite civil. You really need to get a thicker hide, as you will not suddenly change humanity to be super polite overnight.

RinaldoGandolphi

Cloak and streak are pretty easy to counter. Especially since most gap closers ignore terrain unlike streak. Cloak has always been buggy and often won’t work when it should. Cloak is a great skill when it actually works but that’s only half the time hence why most mag blades build as tanky brawlers and Stam blades focus on high burst and mobility because cloak is unreliable open world

Ultimate_Overlord

@Killset The idea of my post was to highlight that a dense and stubborn player for the name of @dwemer_paleologist, who is notorious for making all sorts of ridiculous statements, complaining about every other class but his, yelling about cheats and macros and never listening to sensible counter-arguements provided by other people, makes a post about how he only plays one class in any game expecting that it would give his opinion more credibility, without realizing that it only does the opposite. Sure, people can express their opinions, but this is a balance discussion, zos asked people to be objective and take a holistic view on the games combat mechanics. He comes here and shows that he only plays 1/10 classes, has a clear bias for the 1 class he plays, uses a suboptimal build and makes suboptimal plays. Seeing that anything reasonable never reaches him, i decided to take a different approach.
Dont come here and get offended by every little thing just for the sake of getting offended. The guy was being stupid, im trying to help him out here, but you come here like "its ok to be stupid, dont listen to anyone and stay dense, keep doing what youre doing". You could have checked my post history to see if the typos were intentional or not, i read a bunch of lyrical garbage piles composed by dwemer paleologist in countless threads before making my post too.
Anyway, im offended by the fact that you assumed dwemer paleologists opinion on my use of the word "weird"- he did not respond to me saying that he was insulted by it.

ak_pvp

Ah, forum sorcs be forum sorcs. The DK/Templar/warden lot can admit where their classes have been OP, (Block/infiniwhip, BoL spam, undodgabirb/shimmering) and where they are UP. (sustain/mobility, lockdown/mobility and well, warden is OK)

Forum sorcs conveniently forget the strengths and being FOTY of 2016 and half 2017. Sure the class is in an absolute sorry state now but that doesn't mean uhu worst class ever uhu. When I posted a vid of streak being able to use 5x in 10s and getting very far for a decent gain/drain ratio and then comparing it to the suicide button mist, or purge as comparison of its strength I got jumped.

And when I say that for what they do shields are one of the best defenses. (No hard counters bar oblivion and the awful shieldbreaker set) no status effects from damage types, no debuff methods. (Debatable here. No buff methods either, and scaling is dodgy. No resists, but scale of mag technically)

What I would do:

Maj/min system of shields. Possible shield defile, but with the unnecessary hits to sustain which hurt solos I doubt its needed.

Frag stun or maybe even delayed unblockable stun on curse if echo is removed. Unique, offers good line up but also has counter.

Frags 10% damage return

Mines exponential damage.

Small atro buff.

Rune prison becomes a stam oriented skill that speeds up heavies/channels 35% and gives phys extra damage on channeled /heavy attacks.

Make armour/pets 1 bar.

Implosion rework. Holy *** its RNG and annoying. Make it a passive called superconductor and have phys/shock deal ignore x resistance as the HP goes down. (A play on less resistance near absolute zero)

Streak: Change in some way its more usable in combat to remedy shield nerfs. But not an infinite run like heck from anything that scares me button like the past. I heard that

Subversus

Damn and I thought my salt mining on the bleeds thread was nasty

Feanor

@ak_pvp

That’s wrong. If you look at the postings guys like @Derra, @Minalan or myself always acknowledge that Sorc isn’t bottom tier and still has strengths. But we also know the limitations the class has now due to various changes over time.

As for me, I’m trying to be as objective as I can when assessing other classes. To me it’s not necessarily about raw game power but also about uniqueness. I’m disappointed classes are more and more homogeneous. I enjoy reading postings from @Joy_Division for example about the state of Templars, and I agree.

One problem this forum has is that the sensational claims of something being OP and needing a nerf always overwhelm the more reasonable facts based approach. Just look at the Sorc thread a bit further down (which is an unfounded QQ thread). @Ragnaroek41 claimed Sorcs have the best passives in the game. I wrote a lengthy response that assesses each passive and compared it to NB. The silence is deafening.

And that’s why discussing on here for a Sorc Main gets tedious. It’s a waste of time to present your facts because people don’t believe them even if it’s laid out in front of them.

The “forum Sorcs” I know all would welcome a class overhaul. We even would give up stuff that’s bad design (Implosion) or hated (shieldstacking) if we get a solid something in return.

But that’s another problem with this forum. People don’t want reasonable adjustments. They want obliterating. And that’s the issue I have with balance discussions.

ak_pvp

Feanor wrote: »

@ak_pvp

That’s wrong. If you look at the postings guys like @Derra, @Minalan or myself always acknowledge that Sorc isn’t bottom tier and still has strengths. But we also know the limitations the class has now due to various changes over time.

As for me, I’m trying to be as objective as I can when assessing other classes. To me it’s not necessarily about raw game power but also about uniqueness. I’m disappointed classes are more and more homogeneous. I enjoy reading postings from @Joy_Division for example about the state of Templars, and I agree.

One problem this forum has is that the sensational claims of something being OP and needing a nerf always overwhelm the more reasonable facts based approach. Just look at the Sorc thread a bit further down (which is an unfounded QQ thread). @Ragnaroek41 claimed Sorcs have the best passives in the game. I wrote a lengthy response that assesses each passive and compared it to NB. The silence is deafening.

And that’s why discussing on here for a Sorc Main gets tedious. It’s a waste of time to present your facts because people don’t believe them even if it’s laid out in front of them.

The “forum Sorcs” I know all would welcome a class overhaul. We even would give up stuff that’s bad design (Implosion) or hated (shieldstacking) if we get a solid something in return.

But that’s another problem with this forum. People don’t want reasonable adjustments. They want obliterating. And that’s the issue I have with balance discussions.

All fair points. My post was baity asf and might end up mod'd. On things like patch notes I have had decent conversations about actual issues and know that many people think more rationally about it, but when I open this thread and one of the most recent comment is "TLDR; get bent." and some sorc mains just bashing other players I just have to lul and say something snarky.

"One problem this forum has is that the sensational claims of something being OP and needing a nerf always overwhelm the more reasonable facts based approach.

Honestly I think what happens is because the forums are just text based and ratification isn't as easy as by speech and things get misunderstood everything devolves into a mess. I doubt most players really want a class obliterated and their own to be top dog bis, because what is the point in that. But as people come on and rant it just looks that way.

But look a this thread. The OP is getting spammed with L2P nub repetitively for wanting to discuss, (albiet not very gracefully by slapping nerf in the title) something that does actually have imbalances around it. So instead of a tweak and a buff in a similar area these threads as you say lead to the class being hurt all over negatively. I.e. StamDK.

Feanor

@ak_pvp

Speaking of the OP, he starts out with stating he doesn’t want to nerf magSorc and then presents his idea of doing exactly that. You read 3 sentences and know immediately where this thread is headed. It’s not a novelty approach anymore.

Another thing about balance discussions is that everyone has a say on here, even the most ridiculous statements get agreeing answers. You know what? I’m running 7 divines on 19k HP and use a 6.9k hardened Ward along with a 4k healing ward. No harness. In noCP. Over an evening of PvP I die 5 to 15 times depending on how greedy I am and how much I overextend.

It’s not because I’m a really good player. I’m not, and I’m toast once I face an actually good player. It’s not because Sorc is so strong. It’s not. It’s because the average player is so hilariously bad. But that player has the same voice on here like a good one, and it’s magnified by all the other bad players who share the experience that a Sorc blew them up.

And that, in a nutshell, is the origin of Sorc QQ threads.

Lorkhan

Right. Dont nerf shields. we cant say "nerf" bcause reasons... Just buff every class so we can do crit damage to Shields.Did it Sound better now?

callen4492

I'm not very smart and know very little about the game but IMO, Magwarden, Stamblade, magdk, magsorc, stamwarden, magblade, stamdk, magplar and stamsorc ALL NEED TO BE NERFED! I was playing the other day and got killed by 12 other players all at once. I'm not sure why I couldn't kill them all.

Can you guess what I play?

Lord-Otto

@ak_pvp

Your balancing suggestions are surprisingly reasonable, well done.

I am disagreeing with your OP proclamation, though.
Sorcs were OP only in the first three months of TU until IC and Battle Spirit. And arguably, stacking CP (which were uncapped) was more deciding.
After Battle Spirit, mag Sorcs were never OP again.

They were screwed by CP for two patches. Remember how there was a reduce magic damage star, but no equivalent to reduce physical damage? Remember how there was a star for elemental and one for magical, so you had to split? Stamina didn't have to do this. I remember Sypher, Fengrush, LeftyLucy and King Richard agree that stamina was better back then. And that Dragon Leap was the best ultimate just because it was physical.

Then came TG and Vicious Death. While magicka was really strong then, too much even, the real winner were bombers. And unsurprisingly, every stamblade just switched to magblade and bombed to top leaderboard. Sorc OP? Far from it, magblade was.

Dark Brotherhood screwed sustain and a couple other things. It was the darkest time for magicka, but especially sorcs. I was one of five, FIVE mag sorcs on the top 100 leaderboard. Go figure.

Overall balancing improved afterwards, but guess what came to screw us again:
PROC SETS!
It didn't take ZOS long to nerf Infernal Guardian into uselessness, leaving sorcs with no good proc set.
But Velidreth, Selene, Widowmaker, Valkyn Skoria and !!!V I P E R!!! continued to wreak havoc and define the meta for a looong time. To give you a perspective: they had to turn Viper into a DoT and completely rework proc sets TWICE to get them under control.
Procblades instakilled for almost a year. Sorcs had thred months of fun with IG. And that set was far inferior to begin with.

After the Procapolypse, things started looking bright. Balancing was quite good, at last. And then ZOS did a really silly move:
They introduced a new class.
Instead of polishing the balancing, they threw a new variable in. I remember telling my friends how I thought ZOS overextended and created too much work, just when they were so close to true balance.
And look! How is the balancing for Warden, PvE and PvP now? And with every new balance patch, ZOS now have 25% more work to do. While, of course, balance updates are not delivered 1.25x as often. And now, there's yet another class on the horizon... Wanna take a guess how that is going to work out?

And here we are. We traded stam dominance, bomb dominance and proc dominance for Warden dominance.
On top of that, Wrobel insists on nerfing crucial sorc skills in succession to fit his scheme X, without caring about how it effects gameplay. He also refuses to go back on previous nerfs, what a great attitude!
Sorcs are now undisputably inferior to magblades in any way, shape or form. Not that this would have ever been any different. They have been UP several times, but never been top dog after IC. The middle ground has been their tier. With good performance against potatoes, but being absolutely outclassed by the meta builds. However, now that they received additional nerfs and even the biggest potatoes slap on defensive armor and sets, and spam snares all day, even that middle ground has given in.

We are not in a good state. At all.
And I cry this out loud here, to ZOS and
@ZOS_Wrobel

MORE FREQUENT BALANCING, MORE THAN TWICE PER YEAR, PLEASE!!!

Biro123

Makes me laugh when I see threads like these...

And then the kill-quest notifications on the last vid posted here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/296964/video-jam-eso-im-not-that-nice-new#latest

Merlin13KAGL

Lorkhan wrote: »

Right. Dont nerf shields. we cant say "nerf" bcause reasons... Just buff every class so we can do crit damage to Shields.Did it Sound better now?

As has been stated dozens of times before, shields already eat full tooltip damage. So if you're going to let shields be crit'able, then shields should also have the chance to crit.

I'm pretty sure all calling for nerfs have no desire to see 50% stronger shields, even if it meant they'd have a chance to do 50%+ more damage.

Regarding the idea of shield defiles, @ak_pvp , a star in the CP tree pretty much has that effect now.

Minalan

Lorkhan wrote: »

Right. Dont nerf shields. we cant say "nerf" bcause reasons... Just buff every class so we can do crit damage to Shields.Did it Sound better now?

Great idea, I endorse it.

So long as casting shields can crit too, just like healing does. Oh, and my armor value and impen applies to the shield as well.

I’m going to cast me a 50K shield stack! And with lightning form, riposte, and 2-3K impen, it should have heavy armor mitigation. Good luck with those crits!

Bad idea? Yeah I thought so. Let’s go ahead and leave it how it is.

Aedaryl

Shield stacking harness + hardened is overperforming.

The first problem is harness magicka. The sustain it bring is just too good : hwo think a spammable defensive ability that return more ressource than it cost is balanced ?

The first step to do for balancing shield stacking is to make harness cost something like 1k after the 3 magicka spell absorbed.

In openworld, sorc can shield stack forever because there is always one magicka user to make the sorc sustain almost infinite.

Balance harness then see how it does.

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The bigest weakness of sorc is ressource managment.

Sorc have the worst ressource managment in the game, it's not magdk like some people say. (you can't sustain with potion + lich again stamina, you need something more like elemental drain). People thinking it's false are actually fake sustain in openworld with harness magicka.

Balancing sorc need to be around smart better ressource management. Not with something stupidely OP like harness.

First step : make staves heavies shorter like 1&S heavies and don't forget to reduce damage for keeping the same damage/duration ratio. (nerf the resto 30% magicka return on heavies cuz it would be OP then)

Second step : make crystal fragment set up the ennemy off balance. That's doubles ressource on heavies, that's a stun on medium attacks and it's 10% more damage with exploiter if you choose to invest 75 point in taumathurge.

Minalan

Aedaryl wrote: »

Shield stacking harness + hardened is overperforming.

The first problem is harness magicka. The sustain it bring is just too good : hwo think a spammable defensive ability that return more ressource than it cost is balanced ?

The first step to do for balancing shield stacking is to make harness cost something like 1k after the 3 magicka spell absorbed.

In openworld, sorc can shield stack forever because there is always one magicka user to make the sorc sustain almost infinite.

Balance harness then see how it does.

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The bigest weakness of sorc is ressource managment.

Sorc have the worst ressource managment in the game, it's not magdk like some people say. (you can't sustain with potion + lich again stamina, you need something more like elemental drain). People thinking it's false are actually fake sustain in openworld with harness magicka.

Balancing sorc need to be around smart better ressource management. Not with something stupidely OP like harness.

First step : make staves heavies shorter like 1&S heavies and don't forget to reduce damage for keeping the same damage/duration ratio. (nerf the resto 30% magicka return on heavies cuz it would be OP then)

Second step : make crystal fragment set up the ennemy off balance. That's doubles ressource on heavies, that's a stun on medium attacks and it's 10% more damage with exploiter if you choose to invest 75 point in taumathurge.

Interesting ideas there, but if you’re nerfing the magicka return/cost of harness then you have to visit shimmering shield with a fat nerf bat.

I don’t think an 8K shield on harness *should* be particularly expensive, and I don’t think stacking it is overpowered considering it costs an extra GCD to stack. To perma-stack two shields costs 2 GCD out of every 5 that pass. You’re spending 40%-50% of your time casting a shield and bar swapping. If you want to go on offense, you HAVE to let one drop.

The stacking crybabies don’t know how it works, how strong or weak it is, how long it takes, or what it costs.

Feanor

Minalan wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Shield stacking harness + hardened is overperforming.

The first problem is harness magicka. The sustain it bring is just too good : hwo think a spammable defensive ability that return more ressource than it cost is balanced ?

The first step to do for balancing shield stacking is to make harness cost something like 1k after the 3 magicka spell absorbed.

In openworld, sorc can shield stack forever because there is always one magicka user to make the sorc sustain almost infinite.

Balance harness then see how it does.

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The bigest weakness of sorc is ressource managment.

Sorc have the worst ressource managment in the game, it's not magdk like some people say. (you can't sustain with potion + lich again stamina, you need something more like elemental drain). People thinking it's false are actually fake sustain in openworld with harness magicka.

Balancing sorc need to be around smart better ressource management. Not with something stupidely OP like harness.

First step : make staves heavies shorter like 1&S heavies and don't forget to reduce damage for keeping the same damage/duration ratio. (nerf the resto 30% magicka return on heavies cuz it would be OP then)

Second step : make crystal fragment set up the ennemy off balance. That's doubles ressource on heavies, that's a stun on medium attacks and it's 10% more damage with exploiter if you choose to invest 75 point in taumathurge.

Interesting ideas there, but if you’re nerfing the magicka return/cost of harness then you have to visit shimmering shield with a fat nerf bat.

I don’t think an 8K shield on harness *should* be particularly expensive, and I don’t think stacking it is overpowered considering it costs an extra GCD to stack. To perma-stack two shields costs 2 GCD out of every 5 that pass. You’re spending 40%-50% of your time casting a shield and bar swapping. If you want to go on offense, you HAVE to let one drop.

The stacking crybabies don’t know how it works, how strong or weak it is, how long it takes, or what it costs.

Also Shimmering Shield ain’t a Sorc skill. Can’t be OP then.

Merlin13KAGL

Aedaryl wrote: »

Shield stacking harness + hardened is overperforming.

The first problem is harness magicka. The sustain it bring is just too good : hwo think a spammable defensive ability that return more ressource than it cost is balanced ?

Pro tip: Harness supplies zero sustain if you stop feeding it projectiles...