Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
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Emma_Overload wrote: »
There is 3 seconds of opening right after you interrupt. The sorcerer wont be able to cast dark deal in that time.
If the same mechanic occurred during CC immunity (only once) it would be a counterplay
Emma_Overload wrote: »
At least it wont be 15 sec of immunity.
Emma_Overload wrote: »
The magicka morph is not that great, yes and can use buffs (other than being uninterruptable). Because it costs stamina that magicka Sorcerers do not have unless you do some crazy build that can't kill anyone anyways.
But Dark Deal, the morph that restores stamina and health is completely broken for stamina Sorcs. They are so slippery already and with this change, they can just restore all their ressources in your face. Because they don't need magicka in order to survive.
And as for pets, I never had problems summoning them when I know what I am doing. But now, you can do it without thinking twice about it. I don't mind them being unbashable, just saying that it's not necessary.
Emma_Overload wrote: »
The magicka morph is not that great, yes and can use buffs (other than being uninterruptable). Because it costs stamina that magicka Sorcerers do not have unless you do some crazy build that can't kill anyone anyways.
But Dark Deal, the morph that restores stamina and health is completely broken for stamina Sorcs. They are so slippery already and with this change, they can just restore all their ressources in your face. Because they don't need magicka in order to survive.
And as for pets, I never had problems summoning them when I know what I am doing. But now, you can do it without thinking twice about it. I don't mind them being unbashable, just saying that it's not necessary.
I strongly disagree with pets.
Actually on Live, if you don't run crazy damage like your build, but a more sustainable openword build set up, people are able to burst the pet quickly and if they have a gap closer, they will ALWAYS interrupt you if they are good. The 1.5s cooldown is too long. Even if you stun the ennemi by streaking into him then directly cast your pets, he will have the time to break the cc, gap close you and interrupt you.
Seriously, good people, even in open world knows they need to kill the pets, and they will ALWAYS interrupt you. Even if you streak twice, they will kill the second pet while you are casting the first.
You didn't meet the right people Dracane, you spend a lot of time in Imperial city with the imperial city set, I spend most of my time in cyrdodil and duels area, the most thing that's making pet sorc useless is that cast time interruptable. I spend a lot of time in cyrodil, and people hwo knows me focus my pets first, because they know it's an auto win, I will never be able to recast it because this is mathematically impossible to do if the ennemy react proprely.
Pet sorc can be HARD countered like it, and there is nothing you can do when someone build proprely kill your pet and interrupt you.
You are a very good pet sorc, but trust me, when someone knows how to kill a pet sorc, unless you have everything into damage, you will not be able to save your pet and your ass.
Emma_Overload wrote: »
The magicka morph is not that great, yes and can use buffs (other than being uninterruptable). Because it costs stamina that magicka Sorcerers do not have unless you do some crazy build that can't kill anyone anyways.
But Dark Deal, the morph that restores stamina and health is completely broken for stamina Sorcs. They are so slippery already and with this change, they can just restore all their ressources in your face. Because they don't need magicka in order to survive.
And as for pets, I never had problems summoning them when I know what I am doing. But now, you can do it without thinking twice about it. I don't mind them being unbashable, just saying that it's not necessary.
I strongly disagree with pets.
Actually on Live, if you don't run crazy damage like your build, but a more sustainable openword build set up, people are able to burst the pet quickly and if they have a gap closer, they will ALWAYS interrupt you if they are good. The 1.5s cooldown is too long. Even if you stun the ennemi by streaking into him then directly cast your pets, he will have the time to break the cc, gap close you and interrupt you.
Seriously, good people, even in open world knows they need to kill the pets, and they will ALWAYS interrupt you. Even if you streak twice, they will kill the second pet while you are casting the first.
You didn't meet the right people Dracane, you spend a lot of time in Imperial city with the imperial city set, I spend most of my time in cyrdodil and duels area, the most thing that's making pet sorc useless is that cast time interruptable. I spend a lot of time in cyrodil, and people hwo knows me focus my pets first, because they know it's an auto win, I will never be able to recast it because this is mathematically impossible to do if the ennemy react proprely.
Pet sorc can be HARD countered like it, and there is nothing you can do when someone build proprely kill your pet and interrupt you.
You are a very good pet sorc, but trust me, when someone knows how to kill a pet sorc, unless you have everything into damage, you will not be able to save your pet and your ass.
Sheesh.. still going on about pets sorc being weak? Ask Dusk for some tips on how to play one
I can tell it's far from easy to interrupt pet cast when the sorc is dropping atronachs left & right while standing behind mines - interrupts are realistically only a real problem vs people with Crushing Shock/Venom Arrow slotted. Of course if you try to recast them in melee range it's going to end up poorly against a decent player...
Emma_Overload wrote: »
The magicka morph is not that great, yes and can use buffs (other than being uninterruptable). Because it costs stamina that magicka Sorcerers do not have unless you do some crazy build that can't kill anyone anyways.
But Dark Deal, the morph that restores stamina and health is completely broken for stamina Sorcs. They are so slippery already and with this change, they can just restore all their ressources in your face. Because they don't need magicka in order to survive.
And as for pets, I never had problems summoning them when I know what I am doing. But now, you can do it without thinking twice about it. I don't mind them being unbashable, just saying that it's not necessary.
I strongly disagree with pets.
Actually on Live, if you don't run crazy damage like your build, but a more sustainable openword build set up, people are able to burst the pet quickly and if they have a gap closer, they will ALWAYS interrupt you if they are good. The 1.5s cooldown is too long. Even if you stun the ennemi by streaking into him then directly cast your pets, he will have the time to break the cc, gap close you and interrupt you.
Seriously, good people, even in open world knows they need to kill the pets, and they will ALWAYS interrupt you. Even if you streak twice, they will kill the second pet while you are casting the first.
You didn't meet the right people Dracane, you spend a lot of time in Imperial city with the imperial city set, I spend most of my time in cyrdodil and duels area, the most thing that's making pet sorc useless is that cast time interruptable. I spend a lot of time in cyrodil, and people hwo knows me focus my pets first, because they know it's an auto win, I will never be able to recast it because this is mathematically impossible to do if the ennemy react proprely.
Pet sorc can be HARD countered like it, and there is nothing you can do when someone build proprely kill your pet and interrupt you.
You are a very good pet sorc, but trust me, when someone knows how to kill a pet sorc, unless you have everything into damage, you will not be able to save your pet and your ass.
Sheesh.. still going on about pets sorc being weak? Ask Dusk for some tips on how to play one
I can tell it's far from easy to interrupt pet cast when the sorc is dropping atronachs left & right while standing behind mines - interrupts are realistically only a real problem vs people with Crushing Shock/Venom Arrow slotted. Of course if you try to recast them in melee range it's going to end up poorly against a decent player...
shhhhhhhh, come on live, I will learn you how to kill a pet sorc. Now stop saying *** about pet sorc please.
I can show you how easy it's to interrupt a pet sorc, if you don't trust me come on live and I show you.
"Of course if you try to recast them in melee range it's going to end up poorly against a decent player..."
Even with a streak stuning the ennemy, the cast time is too long, people can break, gap close or streak to you then interrupt you.
A pet sorc doesn't always have an atronach ready and overload ultimate + mines on it. And outside of a 1v1 perspective, there is nothing difficult to interupt someone. Every pet sorc aren't using a full damage build made for duel situations only.
There is 3 seconds of opening right after you interrupt. The sorcerer wont be able to cast dark deal in that time.
If the same mechanic occurred during CC immunity (only once) it would be a counterplay
Emma_Overload wrote: »
The magicka morph is not that great, yes and can use buffs (other than being uninterruptable). Because it costs stamina that magicka Sorcerers do not have unless you do some crazy build that can't kill anyone anyways.
But Dark Deal, the morph that restores stamina and health is completely broken for stamina Sorcs. They are so slippery already and with this change, they can just restore all their ressources in your face. Because they don't need magicka in order to survive.
And as for pets, I never had problems summoning them when I know what I am doing. But now, you can do it without thinking twice about it. I don't mind them being unbashable, just saying that it's not necessary.
I strongly disagree with pets.
Actually on Live, if you don't run crazy damage like your build, but a more sustainable openword build set up, people are able to burst the pet quickly and if they have a gap closer, they will ALWAYS interrupt you if they are good. The 1.5s cooldown is too long. Even if you stun the ennemi by streaking into him then directly cast your pets, he will have the time to break the cc, gap close you and interrupt you.
Seriously, good people, even in open world knows they need to kill the pets, and they will ALWAYS interrupt you. Even if you streak twice, they will kill the second pet while you are casting the first.
You didn't meet the right people Dracane, you spend a lot of time in Imperial city with the imperial city set, I spend most of my time in cyrdodil and duels area, the most thing that's making pet sorc useless is that cast time interruptable. I spend a lot of time in cyrodil, and people hwo knows me focus my pets first, because they know it's an auto win, I will never be able to recast it because this is mathematically impossible to do if the ennemy react proprely.
Pet sorc can be HARD countered like it, and there is nothing you can do when someone build proprely kill your pet and interrupt you.
You are a very good pet sorc, but trust me, when someone knows how to kill a pet sorc, unless you have everything into damage, you will not be able to save your pet and your ass.
Third, I don't know what build you're playing, but most pet sorc builds have almost 100% uptime on atronach (even before the duration buff coming in this update) and don't need to run mines on overload bar.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »eeeh.. I knew it before I even tested it.
Truth is I was gonna make a thread about this but I didn't want to deal with angry, sweaty sorc mains so I gave up.
7s after breaking free and another 10 because of immov potion.
Twohothardware wrote: »7s after breaking free and another 10 because of immov potion.
I'd be alright with the 7s immunity after using Stamina to break free since Stam Sorc has been in kind of a bad place for a while balance wise but the additional time to spam Dark Deal during the 10s Immunity from Immov potions is way too much. It lets you pop a potion then use Dark Deal uninterrupted to get back full health and stamina every time.
Immovability potions need to be taken out of the game. They are banned from every dueling tournament for a reason. They are broken and remove counter-play. It's too much uptime on CC immunity when you have 7s from break free then another 10s after a potion. CC'ing is one of the only ways to kill tough players otherwise the fight can just go on forever and Immovable pots are another one of those things you're forced to run because the other guy is using them just like with cost increase poisons, another thing that needs to be gone from PvP.
Waffennacht wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »7s after breaking free and another 10 because of immov potion.
I'd be alright with the 7s immunity after using Stamina to break free since Stam Sorc has been in kind of a bad place for a while balance wise but the additional time to spam Dark Deal during the 10s Immunity from Immov potions is way too much. It lets you pop a potion then use Dark Deal uninterrupted to get back full health and stamina every time.
Immovability potions need to be taken out of the game. They are banned from every dueling tournament for a reason. They are broken and remove counter-play. It's too much uptime on CC immunity when you have 7s from break free then another 10s after a potion. CC'ing is one of the only ways to kill tough players otherwise the fight can just go on forever and Immovable pots are another one of those things you're forced to run because the other guy is using them just like with cost increase poisons, another thing that needs to be gone from PvP.
I'm like conversion 1.7 sec
Attack 1 sec
Cast ward plus conversion 2.7 sec
2 7k attacks 2 sec
Wtf r you worried about.?
You should kill him faster than he can heal. Unless he Los or ur a potato
Twohothardware wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »7s after breaking free and another 10 because of immov potion.
I'd be alright with the 7s immunity after using Stamina to break free since Stam Sorc has been in kind of a bad place for a while balance wise but the additional time to spam Dark Deal during the 10s Immunity from Immov potions is way too much. It lets you pop a potion then use Dark Deal uninterrupted to get back full health and stamina every time.
Immovability potions need to be taken out of the game. They are banned from every dueling tournament for a reason. They are broken and remove counter-play. It's too much uptime on CC immunity when you have 7s from break free then another 10s after a potion. CC'ing is one of the only ways to kill tough players otherwise the fight can just go on forever and Immovable pots are another one of those things you're forced to run because the other guy is using them just like with cost increase poisons, another thing that needs to be gone from PvP.
I'm like conversion 1.7 sec
Attack 1 sec
Cast ward plus conversion 2.7 sec
2 7k attacks 2 sec
Wtf r you worried about.?
You should kill him faster than he can heal. Unless he Los or ur a potato
That's not how it works out against a high skill Stam Sorc that can get off multiple Dark Deal without interrupt. He's getting healing from Rally, Vigor, maybe even running Troll King and Crit Surge and they're almost always in a tanky heavy armor build like Seventh Legion that also returns heals.