ChildOfLight wrote: »Just adding my 2 cents.
StamDk is clearly lacking IDENTITY.
DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.
heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.
DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.
heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.
Rally for a burst heal and efficient purge to remove snares. No cloak so I need a magic dump. Plus ambush is usable in talons and encase. Also draining shot on bow for extra heal. Sometimes thinking outside the box pays off.
I think the problem with Stam DKs isn’t that they’re the weakest... they can actually be quite tough if built into a full tank build. But “unkillable” and “effective” are not the same thing.
I’m afraid that Stam DK has gone through an even worse version of what the mag sorc went through.... the class is effective at killing really bad players, even in large numbers, which generated a lot of QQ. But it was always just “alright” at killing good players.
Now that it’s been nerfed so much (or at least the things it uses most have been nerfed) it’s no longer the best class for killing bad players (hello stamden) but it has just been absolutely crippled in its ability to kill good players. This has been made much worse in the last patch because of two things:
1. DKs are best class for receiving heals. With the buff to befoul, DKs got hit the hardest. Another classic “stealth DK nerf”
2. DKs were the best at sustaining while blocking. Not the best sustain, but best sustain while holding down that right mouse button. This allowed them to really use Wrath. With the nerf to wrath, DKs felt it more than any other class because it synergized better with DK than any other class.
Bonus: Shuffle, but only because DK doesn’t have a class way to break out of snare, or a spammable heal a la Stamden that allows use of forward momentum
Bonus two: can’t dodge roll dawn breaker anymore, shortening the gap between a DBoS and a leap.
The fact is that the poor DK class is really only good at 1vX, blocking, and healing. But ZOS is trying to get rid of 1vX by making it harder to block and heal. Sadly the DK class passives have not been reworked.
What I want more than anything is a class Stam dmg passive. DKs are the ONLY class without one. Many classes have two! All DKs get is a passive for their AOE flame dmg and burning effect, which is virtually unusable by Stam DKs
If you want to fix Stam DKs, it’s easy. Give them implosion, and give wings a Stam morph that gives 8s of root/snare immunity. Done. Class execute ? Solved. CC vulnerability? Solved. PvE won’t be affected.
I think the problem with Stam DKs isn’t that they’re the weakest... they can actually be quite tough if built into a full tank build. But “unkillable” and “effective” are not the same thing.
I’m afraid that Stam DK has gone through an even worse version of what the mag sorc went through.... the class is effective at killing really bad players, even in large numbers, which generated a lot of QQ. But it was always just “alright” at killing good players.
Now that it’s been nerfed so much (or at least the things it uses most have been nerfed) it’s no longer the best class for killing bad players (hello stamden) but it has just been absolutely crippled in its ability to kill good players. This has been made much worse in the last patch because of two things:
1. DKs are best class for receiving heals. With the buff to befoul, DKs got hit the hardest. Another classic “stealth DK nerf”
2. DKs were the best at sustaining while blocking. Not the best sustain, but best sustain while holding down that right mouse button. This allowed them to really use Wrath. With the nerf to wrath, DKs felt it more than any other class because it synergized better with DK than any other class.
Bonus: Shuffle, but only because DK doesn’t have a class way to break out of snare, or a spammable heal a la Stamden that allows use of forward momentum
Bonus two: can’t dodge roll dawn breaker anymore, shortening the gap between a DBoS and a leap.
The fact is that the poor DK class is really only good at 1vX, blocking, and healing. But ZOS is trying to get rid of 1vX by making it harder to block and heal. Sadly the DK class passives have not been reworked.
What I want more than anything is a class Stam dmg passive. DKs are the ONLY class without one. Many classes have two! All DKs get is a passive for their AOE flame dmg and burning effect, which is virtually unusable by Stam DKs
If you want to fix Stam DKs, it’s easy. Give them implosion, and give wings a Stam morph that gives 8s of root/snare immunity. Done. Class execute ? Solved. CC vulnerability? Solved. PvE won’t be affected.
World in ruin is funny since its AoE poison and fire, but there are no AoE poison abilities, at all. Afaik it doesn't affect sets either. It'd have to be changed multi target so that nox and arrow spray would work too.I think the problem with Stam DKs isn’t that they’re the weakest... they can actually be quite tough if built into a full tank build. But “unkillable” and “effective” are not the same thing.
I’m afraid that Stam DK has gone through an even worse version of what the mag sorc went through.... the class is effective at killing really bad players, even in large numbers, which generated a lot of QQ. But it was always just “alright” at killing good players.
Now that it’s been nerfed so much (or at least the things it uses most have been nerfed) it’s no longer the best class for killing bad players (hello stamden) but it has just been absolutely crippled in its ability to kill good players. This has been made much worse in the last patch because of two things:
1. DKs are best class for receiving heals. With the buff to befoul, DKs got hit the hardest. Another classic “stealth DK nerf”
2. DKs were the best at sustaining while blocking. Not the best sustain, but best sustain while holding down that right mouse button. This allowed them to really use Wrath. With the nerf to wrath, DKs felt it more than any other class because it synergized better with DK than any other class.
Bonus: Shuffle, but only because DK doesn’t have a class way to break out of snare, or a spammable heal a la Stamden that allows use of forward momentum
Bonus two: can’t dodge roll dawn breaker anymore, shortening the gap between a DBoS and a leap.
The fact is that the poor DK class is really only good at 1vX, blocking, and healing. But ZOS is trying to get rid of 1vX by making it harder to block and heal. Sadly the DK class passives have not been reworked.
What I want more than anything is a class Stam dmg passive. DKs are the ONLY class without one. Many classes have two! All DKs get is a passive for their AOE flame dmg and burning effect, which is virtually unusable by Stam DKs
If you want to fix Stam DKs, it’s easy. Give them implosion, and give wings a Stam morph that gives 8s of root/snare immunity. Done. Class execute ? Solved. CC vulnerability? Solved. PvE won’t be affected.
yes its dead because you specifically, or you and a group of players can not think of a way to play it, most likely because you are a meta cow that can not create a build
DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.
heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.
Rally for a burst heal and efficient purge to remove snares. No cloak so I need a magic dump. Plus ambush is usable in talons and encase. Also draining shot on bow for extra heal. Sometimes thinking outside the box pays off.
Green dragon blood: Quite obvious,scales with max stamina.
Shifting standard: reduce the cost to 175,make it shift 2 times and stun enemies when it lands+poison damage+minor evasion to every ally inside it.
That's a discussion I made in general discussions, lets hear main dk opinions
heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players
Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s
Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?
And Stam DK has a burst heal?DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.
heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.
at least dragon blood, stamblade in heavy is like nice only cause unusual idea but it have no needed otions to be viable and competitive
What game are you playing?
Stamblades in heavy are really strong this patch. Defile is strong and stamblades have defile built in their incap.
.[/quote]Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?
It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
Not at all.
In PvE magplar, magwarden and magdk are behind the rest. Stamdk *** on everyone in terms of single target. Magsorc rocks AoE fights like there's no tomorrow.
In pvp stamwarden, stamnb and magsorc dominate the rest of the classes.
The balance between stamplar, stamsorc, magblade, magwarden (with shimmering shield) magplar and magdk is great. Stamdk however falls behind the rest as the absolute worst class in every aspect
thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
Not at all.
In PvE magplar, magwarden and magdk are behind the rest. Stamdk *** on everyone in terms of single target. Magsorc rocks AoE fights like there's no tomorrow.
In pvp stamwarden, stamnb and magsorc dominate the rest of the classes.
The balance between stamplar, stamsorc, magblade, magwarden (with shimmering shield) magplar and magdk is great. Stamdk however falls behind the rest as the absolute worst class in every aspect
Except openworld solo, where StamDK is better than Stamsorc, Magden, Magplar and MagDK by a fair amount, so "absolute worst class." isn't quite true.
thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
Not at all.
In PvE magplar, magwarden and magdk are behind the rest. Stamdk *** on everyone in terms of single target. Magsorc rocks AoE fights like there's no tomorrow.
In pvp stamwarden, stamnb and magsorc dominate the rest of the classes.
The balance between stamplar, stamsorc, magblade, magwarden (with shimmering shield) magplar and magdk is great. Stamdk however falls behind the rest as the absolute worst class in every aspect
thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
Not at all.
In PvE magplar, magwarden and magdk are behind the rest. Stamdk *** on everyone in terms of single target. Magsorc rocks AoE fights like there's no tomorrow.
In pvp stamwarden, stamnb and magsorc dominate the rest of the classes.
The balance between stamplar, stamsorc, magblade, magwarden (with shimmering shield) magplar and magdk is great. Stamdk however falls behind the rest as the absolute worst class in every aspect
Stam dk isn't that bad. Is it completely outclassed by stam warden yes? But it's not a bad class overall. I don't think there is an absolute worse class. The dk build i been playing is working pretty well and it's medium armor. 5 piece impreg, 5 senches, 2 blood spawn, or skoria depending on if i run double dot poisons. I been having fun playing it i usually play magblade. It doesn't fell weak at. As long as I'm playing proactively and dodging or blocking hard hitting combos. The only bad thing is i play sword and board so i have to run expedition pots.
I think alot of people just want stam dk to be equal to warden which isn't the way to go. Stam warden is kind of broken it's needs to be nerfed. Also the reverb leap combo is devistating. Especially with dots ticking on your opponent. my leap tooltip is almost 22k
Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »It's like some of you have never played these types of games before.
Class strength, from best to worst:
a-b-c-d-e-f
6 months later class balancing happens:
c-e-d-f-b-a
6 months later
f-d-b-a-c-e
rinse repeat. Everybody gets their turn
The classes aren't really that far apart right now either. every class is pretty good right now
Not at all.
In PvE magplar, magwarden and magdk are behind the rest. Stamdk *** on everyone in terms of single target. Magsorc rocks AoE fights like there's no tomorrow.
In pvp stamwarden, stamnb and magsorc dominate the rest of the classes.
The balance between stamplar, stamsorc, magblade, magwarden (with shimmering shield) magplar and magdk is great. Stamdk however falls behind the rest as the absolute worst class in every aspect
Except openworld solo, where StamDK is better than Stamsorc, Magden, Magplar and MagDK by a fair amount, so "absolute worst class." isn't quite true.
explain to me how it is because thats clearly not the case lol
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players
Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s
Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?
yea I was just saying with medium armor + speed pots DK are still very much mobile. But if we are talking about dueling yea i gotta admit StamDK isn't the top tier class anymore.