Stam DK is Dead!

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

And yet I see a crap ton of stamDKs in both pve and pvp.

They are re-rolling like I am doing atm .... There is no reason to run a DK atm unless you want to run the worthless tanking noobs build...

I just came back after 4 months..... when I left my DK was nerfed in the last 4 major patches but I still very competitive ... Now an equal skilled Stamplar or Stam Warden will kill me ... I have tried various builds some of them are medium armor ...

The main problem is now Im out healed ... No mobility .... Stamden and Stam Warden can simply just out burst me ....

oh no! you mean now you can be killed by other classes????

the audacity!

''Now an equal skilled Stamplar or Stam Warden will kill me''

Read what he said again, slowly and try to also understand whats meant while reading it.

Amdar_Godkiller · November 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

If you take away their poison claw there's going to be a lot of stamDK FOM DPS PVErs showing up with pitchforks and torches, lol.

I think stam dk has always lacked a good spammable. Whether that should be a morph of flame lash or anything else is debatable, but from my experience at least I don't like dizzying swing/wrecking blow spamming, too easy for them to see coming and get out of the way.

No they wouldn't, because subterranean accounts for more than twice as much DPS as the claw. Wardens, however, would be pretty pissed because then neither stam nor magicka would ever be viable as DPS.

Durham · November 2017

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

And yet I see a crap ton of stamDKs in both pve and pvp.

They are re-rolling like I am doing atm .... There is no reason to run a DK atm unless you want to run the worthless tanking noobs build...

I just came back after 4 months..... when I left my DK was nerfed in the last 4 major patches but I still very competitive ... Now an equal skilled Stamplar or Stam Warden will kill me ... I have tried various builds some of them are medium armor ...

The main problem is now Im out healed ... No mobility .... Stamden and Stam Warden can simply just out burst me ....

oh no! you mean now you can be killed by other classes????

the audacity!

No I'm saying a player on my skill level playing a Warden has an distinct advantage over me ... How is that audacity... Its the mechanics of the class.. Dots vs. Burst .. I still play my DK sir.. like most people here i have all the classes ... My DK is my highest rank at 48 .. My favorite toon because I have played him the most ... but he would get curb stomped by my stam warden ...

Jpk0012 · December 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

Until it's not dead in PVE nobody cares and it performs there just fine so don't bother yourself with creating threads like this because people who have never played stamdk or played it casually will tell you it is still an okay class.
It's still an okay class if you wanna go a full *** tank mode with zero damage output while holding block though.
Fits some people playstyle who pretend to "pvp".

There is basically no point to keep playing it when you can perform with the same gear better on any other stamina class.
Before trolls will go back with their awesome arguments I can tell you that my main is a stamina dk for almost 4 years and still is + I have played every other class to see the crazy difference, so maybe instead of making poor arguments go play stamdk for sometime and realize that It's just not fun anymore. Overall stamdk is the worst right now pvp wise.

Good point. In PvE (at least when it comes to DPS), stamina DK is #1 when it comes to single target DPS. And @BohnT gives a good explanation on how stamDK´s are in PvP. The difficult thing comes for ZOS to make the balancechanges. How do you buff a class for PvP without making it even stronger for PvE??

Let´s be real people, it´s not an easy task for ZOS

Let's be real. They make a truck-load of money, so "that's not an easy task" just doesn't fly.

Durham · December 2017

Will make another statement the magicka DK is in a better spot then the stam dk

Waffennacht · December 2017

Durham wrote: »

Will make another statement the magicka DK is in a better spot then the stam dk

Having not used one, while facing them, this definitely seems to be the case (from my dueling experience)

kaithuzar · December 2017

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Adenoma · December 2017

@kaithuzar , while I'm not a stamplar main I'd say that stamplars are in a relatively good spot right now. Medium armor stamplar isn't exactly changed with the CWC patch and still has some quite potent builds out there.

I think stamDK has some viable options, but feels forced out of heavy armor from a mobility perspective or crutches hard on lingering health/expedition pots, LOS, and hoping you don't get caught in the open by another stamina class (or anyone, for that matter).

Ocelot9x · December 2017

Today PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snn

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)

Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)

Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight

BohnT · December 2017

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

You have no idea what you are talking about. Stamplar/Stamsorc don't might be on the top of the food chain but they are still decent.
Stamnb is very strong since IC patch and was never bad in between due to their own class abilities.
Stamdk always relied on weapon skills to do anything while mixing in 2-3 class skills.
Do you know why stamdk are playing with perma block? Because they have no defense outside of that.
Wings are too expensive, healing got nerfed with major mending reduction and nerf to ulti passives. Sustain got nerfed to the ground. No access to mobility.
How are you supposed to be a tank when you have worse healing than most other classes and can't defend yourself other than blocking.
As a DK you eat all the damage which can be avoided on the other classes because the enemy can't attack you in the first place due to: you're mobility with hurricane and streak/ cloak & shade/ purge/ shimmering shield & trees + mushrooms.
Stamdk never had good defence outside of blocking and proper healing.

Subversus · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Will make another statement the magicka DK is in a better spot then the stam dk

Having not used one, while facing them, this definitely seems to be the case (from my dueling experience)

Magdk was also very strong in duels, this has been the case for a very long time. It's just that stamdk is getting shittier and shittier with every patch...

ak_pvp · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Will make another statement the magicka DK is in a better spot then the stam dk

Having not used one, while facing them, this definitely seems to be the case (from my dueling experience)

They have always been better in duels, I'd even say that against all but a magplar/cheesesorc they are the best. The ST damage and CC they can force is massive. Unfortunately that is really only due to the single target and limited space that translates badly to openworld.

Izaki · December 2017

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

(stamDK) can be the most dominant class in PvE (best single target DPS in the game

How so? DW w/ bow backbar? Which class skills are mixed in?

Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Flames of Oblivion, Standard of Might and Molten Armaments. And Stam DKs have the best sustain in PvE. And the most brain dead rotation possible. And they still pull more DPS than a Stamblade who has to bust his arse to not screw up his rotation while doing mechanics.

Thogard · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

(stamDK) can be the most dominant class in PvE (best single target DPS in the game

How so? DW w/ bow backbar? Which class skills are mixed in?

Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Flames of Oblivion, Standard of Might and Molten Armaments. And Stam DKs have the best sustain in PvE. And the most brain dead rotation possible. And they still pull more DPS than a Stamblade who has to bust his arse to not screw up his rotation while doing mechanics.

You two need to stop talking about PvE

Ragnarock41 · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

(stamDK) can be the most dominant class in PvE (best single target DPS in the game

How so? DW w/ bow backbar? Which class skills are mixed in?

Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Flames of Oblivion, Standard of Might and Molten Armaments. And Stam DKs have the best sustain in PvE. And the most brain dead rotation possible. And they still pull more DPS than a Stamblade who has to bust his arse to not screw up his rotation while doing mechanics.

This is the PvP section of forums. learn to read before posting here. seriously. there are shittons of stamDk pve guides out there, go read them.

Skoomah · December 2017

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

amir412 · December 2017

Skoomah wrote: »

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Players with brain knows that stam dk is dead in pvp, dont even bother explaining to them mate .

ak_pvp · December 2017

amir412 wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Players with brain knows that stam dk is dead in pvp, dont even bother explaining to them mate .

Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.

amir412 · December 2017

ak_pvp wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Players with brain knows that stam dk is dead in pvp, dont even bother explaining to them mate .

Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.

You know whats the funny part?
Those guys who pretend to pvp with those perma block gameplay, remained untouched through this series of nerfs.
Meanwhile the players who played StamDK in any other game style, got nerfed to the ground.
I really cant find anything unique about this class anymore.

ak_pvp · December 2017

amir412 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Players with brain knows that stam dk is dead in pvp, dont even bother explaining to them mate .

Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.

You know whats the funny part?
Those guys who pretend to pvp with those perma block gameplay, remained untouched through this series of nerfs.
Meanwhile the players who played StamDK in any other game style, got nerfed to the ground.
I really cant find anything unique about this class anymore.

Before warden the playstyle was decently unique. Eat damage, beef up ult, let it all go bezerker style. Now warden can go faster, hit more often and harder, tank and sustain better, AND provides group help.

amir412 · December 2017

ak_pvp wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.

Players with brain knows that stam dk is dead in pvp, dont even bother explaining to them mate .

Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.

You know whats the funny part?
Those guys who pretend to pvp with those perma block gameplay, remained untouched through this series of nerfs.
Meanwhile the players who played StamDK in any other game style, got nerfed to the ground.
I really cant find anything unique about this class anymore.

Before warden the playstyle was decently unique. Eat damage, beef up ult, let it all go bezerker style. Now warden can go faster, hit more often and harder, tank and sustain better, AND provides group help.

Exactly, also i think all this nerfs ment to make warden the only "hold the ground" class viable.
After all, its the only class that has decent self heal, so they can still do what stam dk did last patch, just way better.

crusnik91 · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players

Skip to 9:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s

tplink3r1 · December 2017

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Today PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snn

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)

Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)

Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight

- Jabs
- Reliable
Pick one.

Thogard · December 2017

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Today PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snn

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)

Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)

Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight

- Jabs
- Reliable
Pick one.

What would you say it’s less reliable than?

Jabs are extremely reliable... it’s a conal attack and can hit dodge rollers and stealthed NBs....

It’ll hit people that weapon skills won’t.

But if you are new to the game and don’t know how to aim then yeah I can see how it would be frustrating.

grannas211 · December 2017

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Today PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snn

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)

Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)

Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight

- Jabs
- Reliable
Pick one.

Definitely more reliable than dizzy swing.

amir412 · December 2017

crusnik91 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players

Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s

Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?

Juhasow · December 2017

amir412 wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players

Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s

Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?

Wear Blessed+Knight Slayer

Thogard · December 2017

amir412 wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players

Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s

Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?

Yeah but where’s the root and snare immunity

You going to run forward momentum on a Stam DK? GL with that.

Skoomah · December 2017

There's only a handful of Stam DKs left and they are the top tier pvpers. You don't see new comers and middle tier Stam DKs out there.