Thogard wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.

It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players

Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s

Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?

Yeah but where’s the root and snare immunity

You going to run forward momentum on a Stam DK? GL with that.

would be totally fine if GDB was actually a heal and not a portal into void that wastes your magicka.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Today PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snn

kaithuzar wrote: »

omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol

You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.

That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!

You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF

Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)

Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)

Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight

- Jabs
- Reliable
Pick one.

Jabs > Dizzy swing

Skoomah wrote: »

There's only a handful of Stam DKs left and they are the top tier pvpers. You don't see new comers and middle tier Stam DKs out there.

Furthermore, if any of those players were on another class, they'd perform better.

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've played Stam dk since launch. I'm almost at 5 stars but can't bring myself to keep playing the class. I consider myself a fairly good PvPer but it has got to a point where my 2h and bow style is complete trash on dk. I'm so tired of nerfs that I'm ready to go into a field in cyro and fall on my sword to end my dks misery.

even SnB/2h Dk is bad. which is the most cheese way of playing a sDk.
When the poster child of heavy armor meta is nowhere to be seen,and you see stamblades in heavy armor talking about ''in your face playstyle, I love it'' that tells you something about the state of your class.

For the 2h/bow playstyle I switched to stam warden, I mainly do trials on my Dk now.
I don't think Im gonna miss stamDk to be honest, warden has everything you can ask on a dizzy swing build.
Well, they do lack a strong CC ,but dizzy has that , dawnbreaker has that. so no problems.

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've played Stam dk since launch. I'm almost at 5 stars but can't bring myself to keep playing the class. I consider myself a fairly good PvPer but it has got to a point where my 2h and bow style is complete trash on dk. I'm so tired of nerfs that I'm ready to go into a field in cyro and fall on my sword to end my dks misery.

even SnB/2h Dk is bad. which is the most cheese way of playing a sDk.
When the poster child of heavy armor meta is nowhere to be seen,and you see stamblades in heavy armor talking about ''in your face playstyle, I love it'' that tells you something about the state of your class.

For the 2h/bow playstyle I switched to stam warden, I mainly do trials on my Dk now.
I don't think Im gonna miss stamDk to be honest, warden has everything you can ask on a dizzy swing build.
Well, they do lack a strong CC ,but dizzy has that , dawnbreaker has that. so no problems.

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

diplomatt wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I don't think Im gonna miss stamDk to be honest, warden has everything you can ask on a dizzy swing build.
Well, they do lack a strong CC ,but dizzy has that , dawnbreaker has that. so no problems.

not only with dizzy, there are so much options to be exact, stam dk sucks in compare as hell in every setup, can win only on higher skill of player, any chances when equal

I just dont give a crap anymore. To hell with it, call me a meta rider or anything you want. I don't want to play an empty shell as my main class. Stamden is the new stamDk.

Also farming a khajiit nb for a heavy armor build right now. I'll see how it performs.

Kartalin wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.

And Stam DK has a burst heal?

at least dragon blood, stamblade in heavy is like nice only cause unusual idea but it have no needed otions to be viable and competitive

diplomatt wrote: »

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.

lol

My stam Dk was my only character since xbox release. I achieved Grand Overlord over a year ago and got 130k pvp kills with it. Just last week I made a Stam Warden because I cannot stand the state that the stam dk is in anymore. That should say something.

If DBoS didn’t exist, Stam DKs would still be good.

But it does exist and take flight is only marginally better than DBoS

Thogard wrote: »

If DBoS didn’t exist, Stam DKs would still be good.

But it does exist and take flight is only marginally better than DBoS

This is absolutely true. I've been saying for a long time that DBoS should lose the stun (for several reasons but this is a big one)

Well,I made a post few pages ago about how stam dk is bad this patch but after this night I'm starting to feel better about him
The reason? I've found and OP build but it needs further testings, 4 hours are still not enough but hell,I've missed the medium gameplay , tankyness and those sweets 14k take flight on my beloved main.

Thogard wrote: »

If DBoS didn’t exist, Stam DKs would still be good.

But it does exist and take flight is only marginally better than DBoS

Downbreaker should exist, in another way all other stamina will be without normal ultimate for pvp.
But, yeah, Take flight should give something more that the same but without dot (good that even u get close gap with it).
In most situations DB is better.
Year ago stam dk was too strong, he should be balanced with others for sure, but not so much as they did it step by step during marrowind-clockwork patches.
He have no anything unique now.
Except another animations idk.
He closed on weapon skills, his dots are purging as usual just after cast, no resourses, no own burst heal, no fast ultigen, no purge, no delayed in time damage, no capable skills like Grim focus or PoL, no own execute. Poor as hobo

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Well,I made a post few pages ago about how stam dk is bad this patch but after this night I'm starting to feel better about him
The reason? I've found and OP build but it needs further testings, 4 hours are still not enough but hell,I've missed the medium gameplay , tankyness and those sweets 14k take flight on my beloved main.

I'm absolutly sure, that if gear from your op build wear to stamwarden, its efficiency will grow extremly.

If to say about Take flight ... 14k/4 = 3,5 - simple block.
Only reasons when for u meet it into face without block can be cc from another player right at that time, or mistake when tired, cause of habit to dodge it when it was dodgeable.
Or if u get so much inavoidable damage from different sourses, that it is no difference what it is.
Its Epic, most epic looking skill as for me, my first created in aug 14 and main character (crafter now, he rests until some buff will come) is imperial dk because of it to be clear:) It was extremly fun to breath fire and flight to enemy with Dragon Leap, something unique, it was tasty.
And it should give something more or much differ from Downbreaker to be interesting

diplomatt wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.

And Stam DK has a burst heal?

at least dragon blood, stamblade in heavy is like nice only cause unusual idea but it have no needed otions to be viable and competitive

What game are you playing?

Stamblades in heavy are really strong this patch. Defile is strong and stamblades have defile built in their incap.

What game are U playing?
Reverb grunts the same defile and u can spam it much more easy than ult.
Maybe u think, leeching strikes can diminish the luck of burst healing if u have no forward momentum against snares?
Heavy makes him same hobo as stamdk.

Draxys wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

DU5T__ST0RM wrote: »

I've actually been playing heavy Stam blade with no cloak and it's like my dk but with a spammable attack, strong debuffs and more bar space because of how much buff/debuff you get with SA and incap.

heavy stamblade - snared or no burst heal - easy target.

lol

What lol? Write arguments to be able "lol"

With the fast pace of combat, there’s a big difference between a skill that just defiles, and a skill that has a ton of burst, debuff, and defiles as well.

Reverb is good, but it’s part of a much longer combo and therefore easier to outheal.

But if you were to say “what about durok’s bane That doesn’t take a GCD” then I’d agree with you 100%