BroanBeast1215 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »And yet I see a crap ton of stamDKs in both pve and pvp.
They are re-rolling like I am doing atm .... There is no reason to run a DK atm unless you want to run the worthless tanking noobs build...
I just came back after 4 months..... when I left my DK was nerfed in the last 4 major patches but I still very competitive ... Now an equal skilled Stamplar or Stam Warden will kill me ... I have tried various builds some of them are medium armor ...
The main problem is now Im out healed ... No mobility .... Stamden and Stam Warden can simply just out burst me ....
oh no! you mean now you can be killed by other classes????
the audacity!
If you take away their poison claw there's going to be a lot of stamDK FOM DPS PVErs showing up with pitchforks and torches, lol.
I think stam dk has always lacked a good spammable. Whether that should be a morph of flame lash or anything else is debatable, but from my experience at least I don't like dizzying swing/wrecking blow spamming, too easy for them to see coming and get out of the way.
BroanBeast1215 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »And yet I see a crap ton of stamDKs in both pve and pvp.
They are re-rolling like I am doing atm .... There is no reason to run a DK atm unless you want to run the worthless tanking noobs build...
I just came back after 4 months..... when I left my DK was nerfed in the last 4 major patches but I still very competitive ... Now an equal skilled Stamplar or Stam Warden will kill me ... I have tried various builds some of them are medium armor ...
The main problem is now Im out healed ... No mobility .... Stamden and Stam Warden can simply just out burst me ....
oh no! you mean now you can be killed by other classes????
the audacity!
Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »Until it's not dead in PVE nobody cares and it performs there just fine so don't bother yourself with creating threads like this because people who have never played stamdk or played it casually will tell you it is still an okay class.
It's still an okay class if you wanna go a full *** tank mode with zero damage output while holding block though.
Fits some people playstyle who pretend to "pvp".
There is basically no point to keep playing it when you can perform with the same gear better on any other stamina class.
Before trolls will go back with their awesome arguments I can tell you that my main is a stamina dk for almost 4 years and still is + I have played every other class to see the crazy difference, so maybe instead of making poor arguments go play stamdk for sometime and realize that It's just not fun anymore. Overall stamdk is the worst right now pvp wise.
Good point. In PvE (at least when it comes to DPS), stamina DK is #1 when it comes to single target DPS. And @BohnT gives a good explanation on how stamDK´s are in PvP. The difficult thing comes for ZOS to make the balancechanges. How do you buff a class for PvP without making it even stronger for PvE??
Let´s be real people, it´s not an easy task for ZOS
Will make another statement the magicka DK is in a better spot then the stam dk
omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol
You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.
That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!
You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF
You have no idea what you are talking about. Stamplar/Stamsorc don't might be on the top of the food chain but they are still decent.omg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol
You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.
That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!
You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF
Waffennacht wrote: »
Waffennacht wrote: »
FrancisCrawford wrote: »
FrancisCrawford wrote: »
Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Flames of Oblivion, Standard of Might and Molten Armaments. And Stam DKs have the best sustain in PvE. And the most brain dead rotation possible. And they still pull more DPS than a Stamblade who has to bust his arse to not screw up his rotation while doing mechanics.
FrancisCrawford wrote: »
Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Flames of Oblivion, Standard of Might and Molten Armaments. And Stam DKs have the best sustain in PvE. And the most brain dead rotation possible. And they still pull more DPS than a Stamblade who has to bust his arse to not screw up his rotation while doing mechanics.
These forums are AIDS. Nothing stays constructive. Always degenerated into garbage. Focus on pvp responses please.
Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.
Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.
You know whats the funny part?
Those guys who pretend to pvp with those perma block gameplay, remained untouched through this series of nerfs.
Meanwhile the players who played StamDK in any other game style, got nerfed to the ground.
I really cant find anything unique about this class anymore.
Sad thing is that it was a series of slow nerfs to everything it relied on, such as block so people still remember the permablock tank zerg DKs. And whilst they are decent for 1vx (Not as DKs, but because of FM, 7th etc.), they are bottom tier for duels, groups etc.
You know whats the funny part?
Those guys who pretend to pvp with those perma block gameplay, remained untouched through this series of nerfs.
Meanwhile the players who played StamDK in any other game style, got nerfed to the ground.
I really cant find anything unique about this class anymore.
Before warden the playstyle was decently unique. Eat damage, beef up ult, let it all go bezerker style. Now warden can go faster, hit more often and harder, tank and sustain better, AND provides group help.
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
- JabsToday PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snnomg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol
You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.
That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!
You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF
Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)
Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)
Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight
- JabsToday PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snnomg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol
You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.
That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!
You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF
Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)
Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)
Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight
- Reliable
Pick one.
- JabsToday PvP:
Me and the team (2 to 4 people) start doing PvP.
After we get wiped by a 15ish man zerg my guildies asked me to take my stamwarden snnomg, you guys cry more than sorcs!
Maybe stamdk isn't in a great place but nb's weren't in a great place for over 50% of the games lifetime...
I don't even know if stamplar has EVER been in a good place lol
You guys say you can't permablock without realizing it's not and never was supposed to be a thing! The point of blocking is to "block when you need to, and not when you don't!"
Stop crying about not being able to permablock & losing based on that fact.
That statement about "oh the amount of damage I take through block is more than my healing", that's just plain false the majority of the time!
When it is true it's either a) your build sucks, or b) your opponent built for max damage & has 0 survivability, sustainability, or healing themselves! Take advantage of that fact!
You shouldn't compare a broken class like warden with dk because warden is going to get nerfed anyways. Instead compare with stamplar or stamsorc who are also in the dumps right now & you'll see that things are semi balanced but still in need of a few changes.
Work on your builds & adapt, GLHF
Dude,if I compare stamplar and stamsorc to my dk I see:
Stamplar:
no reliable spammable(they have jbs)
No reliable burst(they have potl)
No snare removal (they can purge dots)
No utility for the group (aoe purge, calling target with potl,aoe healing ult)
Stamsorc:
Less sustain (they have better passives+dark deal)
Less mobility (they have expedition+streak)
Less utility for the group (aoe snare,3rd bar for caltrops, NEGATE)
Thats what I see.
Dks are a weapon based class+take flight
- Reliable
Pick one.
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players
Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players
Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s
Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?
I tried to PvP using a StamDK yesterday, and damn it felt awkward. I thought MagDK’s have bad mobility, but sheesh. StamDK mobility is atrocious. Seems like I’ll be sticking to MagDK for PvP, as StamDK is way too clunky.
It really depends on how u build ur dk. To say StamDK mobility is atrocious is just too wrong. I will link u a video to show u how I escape & outrun 20 players
Skip to 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXLMZBSl0I&t=580s
Mate i really appreciate u as a player from knowing u long time, but what u showing is a StamDK using immov speed pots.
So i have to rely on pots to make it work? what about duels, where this stuff is consider as "no honored"?