I dont know if stam DK are dead ...
The ones I see in Bg seem perfectly alive.
Unkillable beasts with insane burst.
Thers even sems to be a new trend.
Kajhit Stam DK
I dont know if stam DK are dead ...
The ones I see in Bg seem perfectly alive.
Unkillable beasts with insane burst.
Thers even sems to be a new trend.
Kajhit Stam DK
Of course stam DKs are "viable", or don't "feel weak" or whatever.
If you're half competent you'll kill less competent players.
At equal skill level and equal class knowledge, however, stam DKs are below par.
You'll only win with your A game and if your opponent makes a mistake.
If you want to aim for the top tier and be competitive open world - yeah, we're dead in the water.
Play a stamina warden. It does everything a stamina DK does, but better.
Stamina DK has been a joke since morrowind
Of course stam DKs are "viable", or don't "feel weak" or whatever.
If you're half competent you'll kill less competent players.
At equal skill level and equal class knowledge, however, stam DKs are below par.
You'll only win with your A game and if your opponent makes a mistake.
If you want to aim for the top tier and be competitive open world - yeah, we're dead in the water.
It's not even equal skill level. The first class that isn't able to kill players is stamdk. Their burst is easily avoidable and isn't that strong if you attack them right due to them being forced to run 7th legion, WWH and/or fury.
The second sentence sums up stamdk perfectly if the enemy does a mistake you have a chance of killing them if no well get ready to be zerged or fight till they run away and leave you behind crippled with snares, roots and cc's.
ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
You haven't played stamdk in open world in the last 4 months right? Stamdk loses against magdk in every aspect of the game. Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform and has better damage with whip, ambers and talons + FoO.
On my magdk i can tank 2x the people i can tank on stamdk because of inhale, spiked armor hurts randoms enough to kill them with leap + whip and burning embers as my oh Sh*** heal.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
You haven't played stamdk in open world in the last 4 months right? Stamdk loses against magdk in every aspect of the game. Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform and has better damage with whip, ambers and talons + FoO.
On my magdk i can tank 2x the people i can tank on stamdk because of inhale, spiked armor hurts randoms enough to kill them with leap + whip and burning embers as my oh Sh*** heal.
seriously tho... this is pretty much the case at the moment.
Except end game pve where stamDK somehow shines, I really don't know how.
guess dots are too good in pve.
ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
You haven't played stamdk in open world in the last 4 months right? Stamdk loses against magdk in every aspect of the game. Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform and has better damage with whip, ambers and talons + FoO.
On my magdk i can tank 2x the people i can tank on stamdk because of inhale, spiked armor hurts randoms enough to kill them with leap + whip and burning embers as my oh Sh*** heal.
Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform...
If you are killing people on magDK with spiked armor, it's not because 300 damage per tick is so OP for magDK.Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform...
Rapids
Quick Cloak
Forward Momentum
None of which stops healing or stam regen and none of which require you to take extra damage at all times. Not to mention there are speed pots for stam (but not for magicka) that you can have 100% uptime on, a stam race with a speed bonus, and nothing prevents a stamDK from going vamp if they want access to mistform.
The reality there's no reason right now to pvp on DK, either stam or magicka, unless you want to tank. And even then, stamwarden does it much better.
ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
You haven't played stamdk in open world in the last 4 months right? Stamdk loses against magdk in every aspect of the game. Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform and has better damage with whip, ambers and talons + FoO.
On my magdk i can tank 2x the people i can tank on stamdk because of inhale, spiked armor hurts randoms enough to kill them with leap + whip and burning embers as my oh Sh*** heal.
Ill admit I haven't played SDK in a while, when I did it was my MDK respec'd and was very strong. But a few things.
FOO is every 5s single target. Utterly useless in openworld. OK in 1v1, and usable in BGs. Whip and talons are great, but dizzy and the dots. Noxious and venomous deal quite a high amount of damage, though embers has a very strong heal. Burst in a 1vX is more important and in heavy stamDKs have it. Though MDK has very very high burst in light if built right, unfortunately not the same with stamDK and medium.
Mist is the worst ability I have seen in a good while. Suppressing healing/casting, regen and not being a good enough escape. (Gapclose snare, generally slow.) Forward momentum outclasses in every way, even though the burst heal is lacking,
Most streamers generally agree that magDK for 1vXs are gone. StamDK has 7th for damage and a bugged heal. And as I said an execute. StamDK scales so much better in 1vx situations with the ability to move better, burst better and maintain damage and resources.
This isn't to say that stamina DK isn't one of the worst classes in the PvP right now, being nerfed constantly and effectively replaced by wardens, just where SDK is better than mag.
If you are killing people on magDK with spiked armor, it's not because 300 damage per tick is so OP for magDK.The reality there's no reason right now to pvp on DK, either stam or magicka, unless you want to tank. And even then, stamwarden does it much better.Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform...
Ragnarock41 wrote: »ChildOfLight wrote: »Screaming this for months. I thought there were no players left trying to competitively play stamDk in pvp.
Good points everyone, almost 100% agree.
Another one not underlined yet:
MagDK is absolutely better than stamDK in every field.
There is no reason to decide to put those attribute points into Stamina.
Call for any playstlye. MagDK beats StamDK everywhere.
And there is a big ESO streamer calling for : "I don't play stamDk in pvp, it's too easy"
funny boy.
MagDK is far better at group (SDK almost useless group wise) assuming anyone would a DK, since sorc/nb/warden out does it and a bit better in 1v1. Better dot pressure in 1v1s, healing and rooting.
StamDK is better solo/smallscale openworld. Much better actually. Since they are more tanky, have more damage (7th/fury, better leap, an execute, minor brutality) and better sustain (heavy attacks MDK can't use heavy for mag sustain running s/b, the use of asylums 2h for ulti=more regen)
You haven't played stamdk in open world in the last 4 months right? Stamdk loses against magdk in every aspect of the game. Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform and has better damage with whip, ambers and talons + FoO.
On my magdk i can tank 2x the people i can tank on stamdk because of inhale, spiked armor hurts randoms enough to kill them with leap + whip and burning embers as my oh Sh*** heal.
Ill admit I haven't played SDK in a while, when I did it was my MDK respec'd and was very strong. But a few things.
FOO is every 5s single target. Utterly useless in openworld. OK in 1v1, and usable in BGs. Whip and talons are great, but dizzy and the dots. Noxious and venomous deal quite a high amount of damage, though embers has a very strong heal. Burst in a 1vX is more important and in heavy stamDKs have it. Though MDK has very very high burst in light if built right, unfortunately not the same with stamDK and medium.
Mist is the worst ability I have seen in a good while. Suppressing healing/casting, regen and not being a good enough escape. (Gapclose snare, generally slow.) Forward momentum outclasses in every way, even though the burst heal is lacking,
Most streamers generally agree that magDK for 1vXs are gone. StamDK has 7th for damage and a bugged heal. And as I said an execute. StamDK scales so much better in 1vx situations with the ability to move better, burst better and maintain damage and resources.
This isn't to say that stamina DK isn't one of the worst classes in the PvP right now, being nerfed constantly and effectively replaced by wardens, just where SDK is better than mag.
in CWC my stamDk lost 400 WD just unbuffed.
Wrath and maelstrom WD removal forced me to drop thief for warrior and Im still 200 WD short, with very low crit rates too.
And taking forward momentum leaves you with literally no room for mistakes, because with only vigor as your heal you are pretty much doomed vs any kind of high burst build.If you are killing people on magDK with spiked armor, it's not because 300 damage per tick is so OP for magDK.The reality there's no reason right now to pvp on DK, either stam or magicka, unless you want to tank. And even then, stamwarden does it much better.Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform...
Well, that is true since wardens exist,
tho mDK is still very strong on small scale fights,
most of us don't even bother fighting with them because the counterplay to fighting a mDK is not fighting them.
If you are killing people on magDK with spiked armor, it's not because 300 damage per tick is so OP for magDK.Magdk even has better mobility due to access to mistform...
Rapids
Quick Cloak
Forward Momentum
None of which stops healing or stam regen and none of which require you to take extra damage at all times. Not to mention there are speed pots for stam (but not for magicka) that you can have 100% uptime on, a stam race with a speed bonus, and nothing prevents a stamDK from going vamp if they want access to mistform.
The reality there's no reason right now to pvp on DK, either stam or magicka, unless you want to tank. And even then, stamwarden does it much better.
No one uses speed potions when you need to sustain with tri pots as you need all 3 resources on stamdks.
StamDK in pvp is a joke currently. Every time i see one i think to myself: "Well the worst outcome of this is they manage to survive somehow".
That indicates a problem imo.Argument: Stam dk easymode is over, maybe
Man if ppl would comment that on templar topics you´d go ballistic.
We´re not talking about average joe stamDK - ppl that played the class since 1.6 or even before that are abandoning it bc it´s no longer competetive in pvp.
Contrary to the position templar or mDK is in there are also no newbloods that can put up a good fight. Every stamDK i see simply gets stomped.
DPS: Burst is too low to finish the kill.
Mobility: Stam DK is the worst in the game.
StamDK in pvp is a joke currently. Every time i see one i think to myself: "Well the worst outcome of this is they manage to survive somehow".
That indicates a problem imo.Argument: Stam dk easymode is over, maybe
Man if ppl would comment that on templar topics you´d go ballistic.
We´re not talking about average joe stamDK - ppl that played the class since 1.6 or even before that are abandoning it bc it´s no longer competetive in pvp.
Contrary to the position templar or mDK is in there are also no newbloods that can put up a good fight. Every stamDK i see simply gets stomped.
That's becouse magplar is not easymode. Not at all.