Why Do Guild Dues Exist?

MLGProPlayer · December 2017

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It's not a community thing. It just means the Xbox EU market isn't competitive.

Other console servers and PC have hundreds of strong trading guilds that compete with each other. This drives up bid prices, requiring sales requirements on PC and dues on consoles. That's economics 101.

Runs · December 2017

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

I do a 1k per ticket raffle for my guild. I record the draw which is done with guild chat open, and post the link and all participating members to a google spreadsheet.

The funds from that end up being 1/4th to 1/3rd the cost of our trader which is out in the boonies. I end up paying raffle winners out of my pocket instead of guild funds so that basically brings it to 50%-66% of funds needed for trader. The 3.5% tax usually makes up the rest, plus there are some that donate odd amounts so they don't get counted towards the raffle. It's been awhile since the above hasn't made enough to pay, but when it doesn't I'll end up covering the rest.

Raffles may appear to people to be bogus... But you need to realize something. I have 470 something in guild, probably about 440 active within a few weeks. I'm lucky if I get 15-20 people entering the raffle. And some people put so much into the raffle that if they win, they don't make back what they put in. There just isn't the participation that people think there is.

-Edit to add- I should have also mentioned I don't consider this a trading guild. We are a crafting guild that has a trader and have been trying to keep it.

MLGProPlayer · December 2017

Runs wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

I do a 1k per ticket raffle for my guild. I record the draw which is done with guild chat open, and post the link and all participating members to a google spreadsheet.

The funds from that end up being 1/4th to 1/3rd the cost of our trader which is out in the boonies. I end up paying raffle winners out of my pocket instead of guild funds so that basically brings it to 50%-66% of funds needed for trader. The 3.5% tax usually makes up the rest, plus there are some that donate odd amounts so they don't get counted towards the raffle. It's been awhile since the above hasn't made enough to pay, but when it doesn't I'll end up covering the rest.

Raffles may appear to people to be bogus... But you need to realize something. I have 470 something in guild, probably about 440 active within a few weeks. I'm lucky if I get 15-20 people entering the raffle. And some people put so much into the raffle that if they win, they don't make back what they put in. There just isn't the participation that people think there is.

-Edit to add- I should have also mentioned I don't consider this a trading guild. We are a crafting guild that has a trader and have been trying to keep it.

This.

A handful of members spend 100k+ every week on raffle tickets (because they want to support the guild). If the same few people are winning each week, it's because they're buying 100+ tickets each week. Nothing is rigged. People need to get their heads out of their asses and stop thinking everything is a conspiracy or fraud.

Pwnyridah · December 2017

I suggest you start a guild and bid on a trader. See how long you can sustain it by yourself. Bid on low traffic spots and then bid on major cities. Then you might gain some perspective.

MLGProPlayer · December 2017

Pwnyridah wrote: »

I suggest you start a guild and bid on a trader. See how long you can sustain it by yourself. Bid on low traffic spots and then bid on major cities. Then you might gain some perspective.

Nah, GMs are crooks. Anyone in this thread could lead the best Rawl'kha guild in Tamriel while having no sales requirement or dues. Bids would take care of themselves since these players have pure hearts (unlike the crooked GMs who lead the trading guilds right now!!).

Buffler · December 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It's not a community thing. It just means the Xbox EU market isn't competitive.

Other console servers and PC have hundreds of strong trading guilds that compete with each other. This drives up bid prices, requiring sales requirements on PC and dues on consoles. That's economics 101.

It absolutely is competitive i can tell you that! We work together so we dont have to bring dues in. We also plough millions of our own gold in so members dont have to pay. It clearly is a community issue as it appears the xbox eu one is somewhat more inclined to help each other than other servers.

DMBCML · December 2017

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

This concept of guild dues is new to me. I honestly think guild dues paint the community of ESO in a bad light and it deters casual players from a good trading experience.

Not even elite guilds in wow have guild dues except for skill requirements. This monthly/weekly Guild Dues for being in a guild just showcases the greed in the community and prevents casual players from the full guild store experience. So what is the cause for the influx of distasteful greed known as guild dues that average a cost of 6k weekly just to be in a guild?

There are games that charge "tax" to the guild members. In some games the tax is set and others the guild master can adjust the percent of taxes charged. The tax is both in money and experience points so that guilds are encouraged to keep the guilds full of active players to both level the guild and buy needed guild items.

Personally, I liked that format. A person is more invested in the guild when a certain percentage of all his experience and gold goes to the guild that supports him in return. I would like to see this more fully developed in this game.

JKorr · December 2017

Runs wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

I do a 1k per ticket raffle for my guild. I record the draw which is done with guild chat open, and post the link and all participating members to a google spreadsheet.

The funds from that end up being 1/4th to 1/3rd the cost of our trader which is out in the boonies. I end up paying raffle winners out of my pocket instead of guild funds so that basically brings it to 50%-66% of funds needed for trader. The 3.5% tax usually makes up the rest, plus there are some that donate odd amounts so they don't get counted towards the raffle. It's been awhile since the above hasn't made enough to pay, but when it doesn't I'll end up covering the rest.

Raffles may appear to people to be bogus... But you need to realize something. I have 470 something in guild, probably about 440 active within a few weeks. I'm lucky if I get 15-20 people entering the raffle. And some people put so much into the raffle that if they win, they don't make back what they put in. There just isn't the participation that people think there is.

-Edit to add- I should have also mentioned I don't consider this a trading guild. We are a crafting guild that has a trader and have been trying to keep it.

Same as my trading guild gm; posts the spreadsheets to google docs. And yes; I buy tickets depending on how much gold I've got on hand. I'll spend 20kish, but I know many other more "trading minded" guildies will spend a lot more. I have X chances to win the raffle, and the guildies who spent 5 times as much as me have 5 times more chances to win. This does NOT make the raffle bogus. This guild is in a consortium; the gm processes over 70k tickets every week. I know my ticket purchase is done more to support the guild than in expectations of winning. Still don't think the raffle is "bogus".

Nocturnal_Annoyance · December 2017

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It must be nice. While I'm not 100% for sure, I'm pretty sure the biggest reason we have dues on ps4 na is because a few opposing groups of rich players control the majority of the traders.... creating alt guilds, filling them with the garbage not even noobs would sell, and bidding on a variety of trader locations to keep legit small guilds from getting them and drive bid prices higher (I know of one solo trader that can't be won with a bid less than 500k). With the amount of time I have spent shopping there are patterns to these kinds of guilds. Loads of overly farmed holiday event stuff, blue jewelry, properly priced raw mats/gold mats/furnishing plans.... it's just so obvious that they aren't real guilds. As much as I love playing the economy, I'm just about done. I'm gonna save a little bit more and then drop a few guilds and "retire." I'm tired of the ungrateful GMs (one in particular) who have such little appreciation for the guild and it's members. Playing the trading side of the game for so long has certainly jaded me in-game.

While I have never been against guild dues, because I do completely understand how expensive traders are and what it's actually like to bid on traders... it's an environment that has been created and nurtured on PS4.

QuebraRegra · December 2017

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

This concept of guild dues is new to me. I honestly think guild dues paint the community of ESO in a bad light and it deters casual players from a good trading experience.

Not even elite guilds in wow have guild dues except for skill requirements. This monthly/weekly Guild Dues for being in a guild just showcases the greed in the community and prevents casual players from the full guild store experience. So what is the cause for the influx of distasteful greed known as guild dues that average a cost of 6k weekly just to be in a guild?

y'know, an AUCTION HOUSE would fix this

come at me!

smacx250 · December 2017

Buffler wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It's not a community thing. It just means the Xbox EU market isn't competitive.

Other console servers and PC have hundreds of strong trading guilds that compete with each other. This drives up bid prices, requiring sales requirements on PC and dues on consoles. That's economics 101.

It absolutely is competitive i can tell you that! We work together so we dont have to bring dues in. We also plough millions of our own gold in so members dont have to pay. It clearly is a community issue as it appears the xbox eu one is somewhat more inclined to help each other than other servers.

Sounds like a cartel to me - but no rules against that in Tamriel!

Is that the only part of the agreement - no dues?

Buffler · December 2017

smacx250 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It's not a community thing. It just means the Xbox EU market isn't competitive.

Other console servers and PC have hundreds of strong trading guilds that compete with each other. This drives up bid prices, requiring sales requirements on PC and dues on consoles. That's economics 101.

It absolutely is competitive i can tell you that! We work together so we dont have to bring dues in. We also plough millions of our own gold in so members dont have to pay. It clearly is a community issue as it appears the xbox eu one is somewhat more inclined to help each other than other servers.

Sounds like a cartel to me - but no rules against that in Tamriel! Is that the only part of the agreement - no dues?

There are other things that are agreed upon, every single one is to benefit the members and regular players. It works for us on xbox eu at the moment and has done for a while and long may it continue. Sadly, it doesnt stop the rise of stall prices or the fighting over spots, that we cant control!

Armatesz · December 2017

I wonder if the same principle that no one has any true control on the market has anything to do with people ability to always get the same guild trader spot as well. What if the one guild that somehow gets enough money is able to seize someone else's top spot and able to keep it week after week and even months? Thoughts? What is the drive really? Is it control? To be putting yourself above others or?

code65536 · December 2017

SugaComa wrote: »

The dues are beyond a joke but it's a needed evil

As mentioned before guild vendors are stupidly over priced and the problem is some guilds have multiple names and are bidding all over with requirement to fund them all from the main guild this offers them the best location and back up locations with low turn over

The whole process needs a revamp price of items are stupidly high and they are rising more and more that they are putting new players and those with little play time out of the markets

We need either a single auction house

Or recommended max sale price on items

And vendors bids can only be made from the taxes from sales this would keep prices at a balance

How would you get the first vendor I hear you ask simple

It's a 10k guild fee to make a guild 2k payable into the bank by the first 10 players

First 10k unlocks the bank the second 10k grants you a vendor token that allows trades with in the guild in order to generate your first taxes so it encourages in guild trading

In guild trading give lower taxes and more to the players so they can profit these taxes eventually enable the purchase of a street vendor and as such higher taxes

Gold can not be be deposited or removed from the guild tax fund

If the guild shuts all gold is claimed by the faction leader in game (it simple lost)

ROTFL. The reason things sell for so much is because there is too much gold in the economy. It's the same reason bids are so expensive. Auction House? Yea, that'll increase prices even more. Restrictions on bid prices? You realize that hundreds of millions of gold disappear from the economy each week because of the trader bid system, right? What do you think will happen to the prices of items when you plug that up?

Maybe if there were some big mandatory gold sinks (mandatory tax, e.g.), that could work. But that's even more draconian and casual-hostile.

cbdfarm · December 2017

I just wish for the day we get a better trade system(like the runescape grand exchange style) this way all the scammers can ask for gold elsewhere.

MLGProPlayer · December 2017

Buffler wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Why do you guys and gals keep saying weekly dues is a console thing?!

As Ive mentioned before, there are NO guilds on xbox eu that charge fees, have sales requirements or must enter raffles. Its not a platform issue, more of a community issue.

When it comes to pvp we have the saltiest players you can imagine. In pve we have some of the most elitist idiots ive ever come across but when it comes to trading, the trade gm's of the biggest trade guilds work together to stop the need for dues of any kind.

It's not a community thing. It just means the Xbox EU market isn't competitive.

Other console servers and PC have hundreds of strong trading guilds that compete with each other. This drives up bid prices, requiring sales requirements on PC and dues on consoles. That's economics 101.

It absolutely is competitive i can tell you that! We work together so we dont have to bring dues in. We also plough millions of our own gold in so members dont have to pay. It clearly is a community issue as it appears the xbox eu one is somewhat more inclined to help each other than other servers.

Bids can be 10 million+ gold each week on PC/NA. Good luck getting that gold from deadbeat members and GM contributions. You might be able to sustain a top spot for a few weeks (depending how rich the GM is), but you'd be out of there in a hurry once that fund dries up.

idk · December 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

F_16C_VIPER wrote: »

Ok so instead of being helpful and simply answering my initial question, you tell me to "join one myself to find out." Thanks...?

Sometimes it’s better to experience something first-hand ... rather than just spoon-feeding knowledge.

a vague answer to hide the fact that.. you have no answer. but I can give you the answer. top sellers subsidize the rest, raffles and donations are strongly encouraged, and GM's likely still add gold to the pot out of their own pocket.

I'm happy in my trade guilds that have no required dues. If you don't have the time to grab an invite and try it, that isn't going to bother me.

I'm happy in my 2 guilds, thanks. one has a 1k sale minimum, other has no minimums - neither have mandatory dues. I'm just keenly aware nowadays just HOW they manage to accomplish this from week to week. you however, are NOT. you just take it for granted and spew vague statements to cover up for it.

Yep, the only trade guild I am in has a 5k sales minimum. If someone is not selling 5k they probably can do just fine with one that does not have any requirements. There are many.

Betsararie · December 2017

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

What percentage of entrants do you think are winners in the raffles? You really think they have a worthwhile return on investment?

/facepalm

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

Wow...
Soooo many expert statements about things that they obviously have no clue about!

Raffles Are Bogus~ So you run raffles and know every system of running raffles and know how each and every GM runs their raffles???? Lmao!! My raffles are far and few. Because I offer things like a full Gold Akavari Motif Book, BristleGut Pet Pig Codes from 2014 Quakcon, 30 day ESO+ Memberships, XP recipes and mats, etc..
I PERSONALLY write down each donation in a log book and attach a sequencing number to each entry. At end of raffle I take total number of entries and use a Random Number Generator...https://www.random.org/
Copies and Pics of Log and Screen shot of number generator are posted on our web site.
NOTE**** Just some of the extra work & time GM's put into making the guild succeed. Which brings up my next point....
GM's Are Crooks~ I noticed that this statement is thrown out there from people who have never run a guild. People who say a GM just sits back and does nothing but rake in other peoples gold and are lazy are just passing Guar Gas!!!Total BS! Running a successful Guild of any type takes hours and hours a week of the GM's and Officers time. It IS a job!
All Guild Do This Or Doesnt Do That~ There are 183 Trader Kiosks atm in game. There are hundreds if not thousands of guilds out there. At 5 guild slots, NO ONE can say what ALL the guilds do or don't do. So again, anyone who speaks for ALL guilds on a platform are just spewing Troll dung...

Guild Traders and Guild dues have been a on going debate since Aug 2014. Nothing new here. Either join or don't. Speak of your experience in guilds, but stop spreading mis-information and assumptions on things that are not fact... Huzzah!!!

Armatesz · December 2017

Imo raffles are gambling, plain and simple. I call it as I see it.

Ohtimbar · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

What percentage of entrants do you think are winners in the raffles? You really think they have a worthwhile return on investment?

Irrelevant. Raffles aren't "investments" in products they're investments in the guild itself, and the ability to earn money by selling in said guild. It's also painfully easy to calculate the odds of "winning" by examining the deposit logs and making an informed decision. It's an open and honest process that's good for everyone involved.

Easily_Lost · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

What percentage of entrants do you think are winners in the raffles? You really think they have a worthwhile return on investment?

/facepalm

I know I can only speak for myself, but the money I enter raffles with is not to win the raffle but to support the Guild. I don't expect to win, but if I do great.
I think a lot of people in trade guilds feel the same way.

As I have stated before, as long as my sales ( after taxes ) makes me money each week I am happy with the 'dues' that I pay. Better trade guild kiosk location the more money I make.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2017

Armatesz wrote: »

Imo raffles are gambling, plain and simple. I call it as I see it.

Nothing gets past you.

Azurya · December 2017

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

This concept of guild dues is new to me. I honestly think guild dues paint the community of ESO in a bad light and it deters casual players from a good trading experience.

Not even elite guilds in wow have guild dues except for skill requirements. This monthly/weekly Guild Dues for being in a guild just showcases the greed in the community and prevents casual players from the full guild store experience. So what is the cause for the influx of distasteful greed known as guild dues that average a cost of 6k weekly just to be in a guild?

you can always leave, didn´t you know that?

MLGProPlayer · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

What percentage of entrants do you think are winners in the raffles? You really think they have a worthwhile return on investment?

/facepalm

You do realize that the "regular" winners buy hundreds of raffle tickets each week, right?

They don't do it to get a "worthwhile return on investment". They do it to support the guild.

JKorr · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm in a trading guild and if i don't sell enough for the week i have to pay the due. Its not really a big deal and i have already made far much more gold being in the guild than if i wasn't. Just from winnings from raffles i have made well over 300,000.

Weekly sales requirements are perfectly fine and make sense.

It's only when the guild feels obligated to take money from the members, that I take issue with it.

Weekly sales requirements are entirely fair, and even given that your total sales are tallied based off of amount sold, rather than pure profits (ie flipping items) it is entirely fair.

There isn't a single PC guild that requires dues (they have a sales requirement or a fee if you don't meet the sales target). Console guilds require dues since they don't have add-ons to track sales.

This just isn't even remotely close to true. There are guilds that solely require dues ( or raffle which is the same thing, raffles are entirely bogus), who may or may not also impose a minimum sales requirement.

I suggest that in the future you don't come here and start making things up, thank you very much.

I can think of a couple, and I'm not going to bring their names into this, so don't ask.

To say that NO guilds charge dues on PC NA is flat out false. Ask around, maybe you'll acquire that info somewhere along the line as well.

Speaking of "making things up"... "Raffles are entirely bogus"? You do have proof for your blanket statement?

My no dues trading guild does have a optional raffle, and an optional two tier auction to raise the gold for the trader. It's a 100 gold for a ticket. The gm is totally above board about how the winners are chosen. Lists are posted on the website.

What percentage of entrants do you think are winners in the raffles? You really think they have a worthwhile return on investment?

/facepalm

Winners are posted on the website as well as in guild chat. Anyone can see who/how many won. Considering the amount of work that goes into making sure the raffle is above board I really can't see any of the gms or officers going through all of that if it wasn't worthwhile to the guilds.

The "return" on investment depends on the number of participants. Unlocking the 1 million gold prize for the raffle for example, depends on the number of tickets [at 100 gold each] sold. If the guild members across the sister guilds didn't participate, the prizes wouldn't be there to be offered. :shrug: You'll never consider that though, because you know its all bogus even though you've offered no proof. If you want, I'll link my guild page, and you can check on the google docs stuff if you want.

Sanctum74 · December 2017

It's funny how so many people have a problem with guild fees or raffles, but they have no problem expecting other people to pay the way for them.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

It's funny how so many people have a problem with guild fees or raffles, but they have no problem expecting other people to pay the way for them.

The same people who probably expect fellow guild members to craft them free training gear. In my experience, they're the first to moan about fees and bail as soon as the guild loses a bid. The game are full of people who enjoy taking but are willing to give nothing back to the guild. The way i see it, when i craft for a fellow guild member, it's not me doing them a favour, it's the guild and as such it would be nice if they made a donation or gave something back to the guild as and when they're in a position to do so. Even if it's just their loyalty during an unlucky week.

JKorr · December 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

It's funny how so many people have a problem with guild fees or raffles, but they have no problem expecting other people to pay the way for them.

The same people who probably expect fellow guild members to craft them free training gear. In my experience, they're the first to moan about fees and bail as soon as the guild loses a bid. The game are full of people who enjoy taking but are willing to give nothing back to the guild. The way i see it, when i craft for a fellow guild member, it's not me doing them a favour, it's the guild and as such it would be nice if they made a donation or gave something back to the guild as and when they're in a position to do so. Even if it's just their loyalty during an unlucky week.

I very seldom find myself agreeing with you, but in this, I do. I will craft for guildies for free; if they're under cp160 I won't ask for mats and improve everything to green at least. Most of the time they are willing to give the tip to the guild bank instead of me if they actually bother to tip at all. I'll make glyphs, food, drinks, potions, whatever, if I have the mats. If someone wants ambrosia, they have to give me the perfect roe, but I don't charge for making it, and my provisioner is maxed, so they get 4 for 1 back. I do ask they contribute to the guild.

Back to the "raffles are bogus" thing; the trading guild I'm in is a "sister" guild with three others, so 4 all together. Last week for the raffle 60,010 tickets were sold. The gm uses Random.org to pick the winners. The prizes were:

Raffle Prizes (shared between all four guilds):

1) 1,000,000 GOLD OR HOUSE OF YOUR CHOICE UP TO 1.3 MILL IN VALUE (Unlocked at 35,000 tickets sold)
2) 20 FURNISHING RECIPES BLUE & PURPLE * EARLY BIRD PRIZE ONLY
3) HOUSE OF YOUR CHOICE UP TO 300K IN VALUE, UNFURNISHED
4) 125 VOUCHER FURNISHING RECIPE
5) SET OF LUXURY FURNITURE *VARIES WEEKLY
6) 150,000 GOLD
7) COMPLETE GLASS MOTIF SET (14 MOTIFS)
8) 100,000 GOLD
9) FURNITURE SET
10) PRAXIS: ORCISH THRONE, ENGRAVED
11) 3000 ROUGH WOOD
12) 14 NIRNCRUX RESEARCH ITEMS
13) 10 LEGENDARY GLYPHS & 20 KUTA
14) 3 MYTHIC AMBROSIA POTIONS
15) 400 RAW FISH

I deleted the names of the winners, but its all on the website. So as long as random.org doesn't use the same rng gremlins that ZOS does, anyone who buys a ticket has a chance. So no dues, almost always get a trader, and if I participate in the raffle, a chance for stuff. Still trying to see "bogus". Ymmv, of course.

jaye63 · December 2017

Here's an idea. You dont like the dues? Tell your guild you will make sure they have their trader if they get rid of the dues. And then you can do the trader bidding process and not have to worry about it. Altho, you will have to worry about getting outbid so you're going to want to figure out how to get millions in gold every week all by your lonesome. But hey... no more dues.