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Malic wrote: »

To bad they werent streamers driving more players to the game. They would be allowed to blatantly break the TOS, admit it on their streams and then be invited to the test the next "chapter" before anyone else.

Some of you seem to think there is a universal code or some gauge by which your banned or your not. Im guessing those people havent been here for a while, ZOS has allowed exploits and exploiters for YEARS.

Thats a fact, and most of you know it.

Stop *** footing around, this is on ZOS 100%. You break the TOS you get banned, period.

Not here, not now, not then, not ever.

The punishment was arbitrary and vengeful. No customer deserves to be treated like that on a first offense with no warning.

ZOS clearly needs to examine carefully what a customer-business relationship is supposed to look like.

It appears they have power-mad megalomaniacs in their midst.

Except that more than a few of the users perma-banned WERE NOT FIRST TIME OFFENDERS. If anyone gets a temporary suspension, no one but ZOS and the user knows why and for how long. How many people got suspensions and claimed "I was super busy with work." "I had a lot of family stuff going on" or any other excuse.

Hopefully ZOS forwards this to MS or Sony and they can block their consoles from accessing ESO in perpetuity.

I agree that if they had been previously warned or suspended for exploiting and informed a ban could follow, then they did it anyway, a ban can be justified.

However like you said we can’t know, can we.

Although the TOS says you can’t do it, it also doesn’t say “we’re gonna kick you out and keep your money the first time you go out with some buddies you think are cool and have some fun messing with one of ZOS’s mistakes”

Oh jeez, so when you agreed to the ToS and agreed to behave regardless of ZOS' failures, you dont think people should suffer the consequences of breaking the ToS.

The punishment in this case does not fit the crime.

ZOS is guilty of abusing their power.

Grossly and intentionally exploiting a Trial to get achievement, skin, bragging rights, weapons and jewelry, and further seeling runs using exploit to gain gold (possibly even real money), iunno, perma-ban seems appropriate.

It’s all pixels. Get a life. Bragging rights? Are you seven?

Im the last person that cares about e-peen measurement. Others do, good for them. If its all pixels, why do you care about what happens to other people's accounts?

Because that’s their rl time and $$ they put into the game.
Plus if it happened to them it could happen to anyone ... wrong place wrong time. I guess maybe you are just the holy saint of eso though ... sorry

Then, maybe, they should have been a bit more circumspect about choosing to violate the terms of service.

I know, some kids did that before, and weren't punished. That doesn't mystically make it okay.

The number of people that seem to think the rules don't apply to them even as they use the service is appalling. However, Khajiit understands that your fee-fees are very important, so if you desire to exploit coding errors, and feel you have the right to abuse an exploit to promote your character over others, by all means, please do so.

More server capacity for the rest of us - you know, the ones that actually follow the TOS.

DoShazarr wrote: »

@Shadowasrial what exploit even? I don't play the game anymore so I'm curious

There's a Asylum exploit that allows players to kill the final boss without actually beginning the combat encounter. Meaning you can sit there and plink him down, without risk.

@starkerealm Most people on these forums are so hateful and just want to point and laugh at other people it seems. I miss the days when players stuck together. I agree that exploiting is totally wrong but a permanent ban is really harsh imo a couple months and removing the items would have been more sensible

To all those who are upset about the perma bans ( I am not one of them ), another solution would be to wipe there account. I mean lose everything, and I mean everything. All your characters, crown store purchases, everything.

Note: I just posted this in another thread ( trying to add to my post count LOL )

Easily_Lost wrote: »

To all those who are upset about the perma bans ( I am not one of them ), another solution would be to wipe there account. I mean lose everything, and I mean everything. All your characters, crown store purchases, everything.

Note: I just posted this in another thread ( trying to add to my post count LOL )

Oh thank god. I know I'm tired. But, I just spent 30 seconds looking at this going, "i know I just responded to this post..."

MakoFore wrote: »

for all of those of you saying the punishment was just -and that they knew what they were getting into please consider your own experiences with dungeons- and if there was a dungeon- for example:
that allowed you to for example, skip a bunch of mobs by jumping over a wall by going up a tree, or conjuring a memento to skip another wall, and going straight to the end boss. and that after you killed this end boss- you still got a speed achievement, a no death achievement, and a skin. because many of the dungeons in this game have such a mechanic that allow you to bypass segments of the dungeon. Is that violation of the spirit of the game- and should players be punished for that too? cos if an exploit like this did exist- i think every single group that i might have run the dungeo9n with would have used the exploit casually without any hesitation. this is all hypothetical of course.
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You seem to express two different ideas with this scenario
speed run clears require people to defeat multiple specified bosses in an allotted time
if someone could skip to the end boss alone and still get the speed run achievement
that would be rather broken
in a way that skipping bosses/dungeon areas that are optional for pledges but not for achievments is not

Not sure about you, but personally would not have pursued such an exploit casually without hesitation
if uncovering it by accident, would report it to ZOS and not perform it again on other characters
if reading about it on the forums from someone else announcing it, would not pursue it
despite public knowledge of the exploit potentially mitigating punishment due to volume of players exploiting

Would you?
Hypothetically, of course.

My experience with a previous title may be helpful
we had a form of public delve known as towers
the higher up the tower you went, the harder the fights got and the better the rewards got
it was common knowledge that you could glitch through the wall and travel up the tower to higher levels without having to fight through each floor
this allowed players to quickly get to a mob difficulty appropriate to their gear

what was not common knowledge, was that damage through walls only went one way
so on the higher levels where mobs had stun/silence/knockdown mechanics and it was not possible for single players to pull groups safely
(immunity buffs had long cooldowns, so getting CC locked and dying was inevitable)
and had some really nice quality of gear

in the scheme of things, the gear was not end-game
but we had a mechanic that allowed us to melt down gear and use it to buff up the stats of higher level gear

my discovery was that it was possible to AoE down an entire floor without taking damage (thus not taking any CC)
then retrieve all the drops, go back behind the wall and do it again

may well have gotten away with it
but after spicing up my gear decided to keep farming and sell off drops to other players
since the game allowed trading of cash shop gears, was 'earning' (loosely...was 'working' for it, but circumventing all real effort) hundreds of dollars worth of CS items in payments per week

the cynic in me speculates that my permaban was because the company did not like me getting so much cash shop stuff 'for free'
despite the company still getting paid by the other players charging

but am also aware that at the time of my perma
other people who simply glitched through the wall to get to higher levels of the tower for legitimate farming were only temp banned

MakoFore wrote: »

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just think its a bit hypocritical because there are things that we do in this game all the time that skip the intentioned mechanics of the developers. they made a mistake and its a video game- ur talking about taking away something that is the social and gaming outlet for a lot of those players, now thats gone- imagine how much time and money they've invested all gone like that. i agree they deserve punishemnt- harsh punishment, but i also think they deserve a second chance.

Allow them to purchase the game again and start over,
if they do happen to exploit again after going through all of it
ban them again, they know what to expect

Concret wrote: »

I agree
Do not perma ban these players.

Give them an unique non modifiable title "exploiter" !

If you exploit you know the consequences, you can literally spend up to 100,000$ on World of tanks and still get perm banned just as fast as anyone can

i disagree. if u exploit purposefully stuff like this then you deserve to be perma-banned. Is such a pathetic thing to do, maybe being away from ESO will make u re-evaluate ur sad existence.

also people already manage to talk their ways out of perma-bans anyway so calling them perma-bans is even a stretch.

coop500 wrote: »

Oh my god I went to bed last night at 10 PM, woke up at 7:30 AM, I have 180 notifications and 99% of them were from this thread or the other two threads just like it. Give it a fricken rest, you people are going around in circles over and over again, I don't see anything different on this page then I did 5 pages ago.

Ok, i wouldnt bother reading the next 5 pages then

coop500 wrote: »

Oh my god I went to bed last night at 10 PM, woke up at 7:30 AM, I have 180 notifications and 99% of them were from this thread or the other two threads just like it. Give it a fricken rest, you people are going around in circles over and over again, I don't see anything different on this page then I did 5 pages ago.

No Coop, this is the internet, it demands sacrifice...

Davor wrote: »

Not saying this is right or wrong, but I don't understand some of the comments. Someone said about coding. So Zenimax can't do their job, so they punish people for something they made a mistake on.

So that is like me yelling at my kids for eating the sweats or cookies that I put right in from of them when I could have put them away. Maybe Zenimax should actually do their job and maybe try their product and do quality assurance work before just putting something out.

Also, how is this a cheat? Again Zenimax put it in the game. It's not like we coded it in the game or used a mod that let us do this. Zenimax did this. If Zenimax didn't want this to be done, they shouldn't have made it then. Accidental or not, they didn't fix it so ban people instead? This is a video game. Unless you are programming something or using a mod to make it easier, it's not a cheat. I am not saying it's right, but then again, if Olympic officials put out preforming enhancing drugs in front of athletes, they shouldn't be banning people for what they did with their actions.

I just don't get Zenimax. They don't ban bots, they keep letting them in the game, and this upsets many people, and when you have actual humans play the game, they ban them because of their incompetence. So they don't refund people's time when they can't play their game because of their incompetence and then ban people because of their incompetence. How sad Zenimax. How sad.

Geeze, here I was about to get a year subscription. While non of the effects me, Zenimax attitude, is not one I one to support. Going to think long and hard now if I want to come back and support a company like this.

The real absurd thing is your text wall trying to protect dishonest people. The simple fact that there is a hole does not mean you can take advantage of it. The Right Thing to do was to report it and stop abusing it. They deliberately decided to go on and show off.

Please, do not suscribe to ESO.