The exploit ban is too harsh.

TheValar85

Chronicburn wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

Anyone know people involved? I'm curious as tho who exploited vAS HM

I knew all the ps4 players. Not naming names, but it's idiotic that the people who abused maw are roaming free while my friends are gone for a first time offense.

I don’t know them, but I think what ZOS did went way over the line.
Honestly though, I don’t think they care what paying customers think. I don’t even think they look at us as customers, more like replaceable cash cows.
Well anyway, I hope they can get restored, or at least dispute all their ZOS charges as fraud for services paid for but not rendered (hint)

No they wont getting restored. i was a game master in other mmorpg and trust me if they got prema ban because of the violation against therm and usage, no one will restore them.

can you explain this line to me please? ZOS charges as fraud for services paid rendred.
what fraud chrages?

let me tell you something the moment when you or anybody lunches the game on their pc or ps or xbox ZOS know everything what you doing in game including chats. you were all monitorized.

so if those "kids" got cought by them did you honestly think they did not investigated the logs and records of the monitorized actions what the palyers have made?

Zenimax is not absuing their power. there is a technical background behind them and they can't fake them to see what's happend in this matters they have spent alot of time to investigate this case in every detail Zenimax is not taking hars actions withouth having every technical evidence to take an action like this. They can't change the logs before you became further more paranoid.

They had every technical evidence to remove those players from the game. And also Zenimax is not tied to infrom anybody about what kind of actions they make.

every rule breaking have a direct action what needs to be done. In this case the exploiters will be removed for ever from the game yes you read me well and clearly FOR EVER. these are their terms, not yours, not mine. as players like you and me we accepted their terms their rules.
if i break a rule i deserv the punishment for that. But if i play nicely and legitly as i always do i dont have to worriy about these things.

I have to to dissipate your illusion. they are not comming back.

you can think it is hars, hard, unfair. well you saw the rest of the communities thought about exploiters. i dont have to quote any of them.

You will be ignored, no matter howmany threads you are going to open or howmany post you are going to make to defend those "kids".

i suggest you to move foward.

Becaue your behavoiur is getting realy suspicious to me already. While i didn't even know you in real.

templesus

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

NewBlacksmurf

Y’all trippin

Any and all intentional exploits should be permanent ban. That’s kinda the point of enforcement.

Either enforce or don’t.
This was the correct action and the same should apply to all other exploits and things like bots

Linaleah

Chronicburn wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

icontrive wrote: »

Don’t see why they got banned. This game is the most casual game I’ve played. Who care about scores? 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. If this game was actually competitive and scoring was important then the ban would be understandable but it’s not.

It’s just part of ZOS’s ongoing war against players ... every time players find a way to get a leg up, ZOS cuts the leg off. If the core story of the game itself didn’t have such a following they would have scared off their last customer long ago.

lmao, stop acting like a victim, these people were exploiting and got justly banned

The tos says dont exploit ... that’s like a speed limit sign... everyone goes 5-10 over and if you get caught you get a ticket. They don’t take your car and shoot you on the spot.

Wow ... ZOS actually treats people worse than the government. Suck on that for a minute.

again, terrible example. its like everyone going 5-10 miles above the limit and the few speshul once going 50 above the limit. the ones going 50? get a ticket. EVEN IF ITS THEIR FIRST OFFENCE. this was an equivalent of going 50+ over the speed limit. on a stretch of the road where they KNOW there is a cop car trap.

Stop being so dramatic.

Most of them were along for the ride thinking they found some cool new way to beat a boss.

I already said I agree with Banning the ones who were advertising the glitch and charging people to come for the run.

But Dude who heard it could be done and tried it just to see for himself? Spent thousand bucks on the game with zero infractions? The death penalty?

Go check yourself before you wish that on others pal

I love how I'm the one who is being dramatic, not you. the moment they saw that the kill involved not agroing the boss, they should have gotten the hell out of there, NOT stayed around for the kill

Betsararie

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Y’all trippin

Any and all intentional exploits should be permanent ban. That’s kinda the point of enforcement.

Either enforce or don’t.
This was the correct action and the same should apply to all other exploits and things like bots

What they should be doing instead of swinging the ban hammer wildly and recklessly, without aim is actually fix the issue. They need to make it so the exploit is no longer possible, that's how you get people to stop taking advantage of the exploit. Not banning people who recently found out about it.

TheShadowScout

Chronicburn wrote: »

It’s not murder, it’s not ***, it’s like shoplifting maybe or speeding.

More like, cheating at games in a casino.
Which now that I think of it... guess what... can get you banned from the casino for life!
(Or your legs broken, or a one way trip to a long pier, depending on who owns the casino and how yexed they are at your cheating )

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

...I am posting on behalf of a friend who ran the trial cheesed it because they heard it could be done and weren’t trying to sell runs to people. He was just taking advantage of a situation zos left open. ...

Shadowasrial wrote: »

...This player has been a respectable player since day one and this punishment is too harsh and I’m standing up for a friend.

When you allude to your friend's respectability
do you consider his taking advantage of the exploit to be part of that
or the one singular tarnish on an otherwise assuredly clear record

OMG ... YOU ARE SO RIGHT. HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF PIXELS. TAKE HIS MONEY AND KILL HIM!!!

Maybe his family too ... that will teach us not to play games with games?

Wow dude how did you get so triggered?

How did everyone else get so triggered to where they are willing to throw people they don’t even know out of a game when they were just playing and stepped out of line? It’s not murder, it’s not ***, it’s like shoplifting maybe or speeding. Slap em with a suspension, not the death penalty.

Unless they are IP banned or console signature banned, they could try to buy the game again and come back and maybe not exploit again. No one died, no one was physically assaulted, no ones dog was shot. They took the risk to break the rules, they got caught, they faced the consequences. Youre wasting your breath fighting for exploiters.

Trying to start over on this game would be just like trying to crawl out of a grave ... just admit it ... they overreacted and gave a bunch of silly kids the death penalty when all they we trying to do was have a little fun.

SAD TIMES WE LIVE IN

They didnt overreact. I hope they arent kids, the game is rated mature. They are more than likely over 25 and should know the difference between right and wrong and what happens when you break the rules.

Indeed, at a "M" rating, kids break the rules by even playing in the first place, and everyone who does play ought to know better.
So its more like... some people found a glitch, abused the hell out of it for their own profit, sold the knowledge of how to abuse the glitch to others for more profit, and then wailed "it was just fun!" when they got caught.
There is an important lession here...
...don't break the rules unless you are willing to pay the price.
...don't be foolish and risk your account for a cheap win in a trial.
...don't be a cheater and take shortcuts outside the TOS.
...don't look for that extra advantage over everyone else, just play the game and have fun!

NewBlacksmurf

Blanco wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Y’all trippin

Any and all intentional exploits should be permanent ban. That’s kinda the point of enforcement.

Either enforce or don’t.
This was the correct action and the same should apply to all other exploits and things like bots

What they should be doing instead of swinging the ban hammer wildly and recklessly, without aim is actually fix the issue. They need to make it so the exploit is no longer possible, that's how you get people to stop taking advantage of the exploit. Not banning people who recently found out about it.

It’s an exploit, your comment suggests it’s like a bug that everyone runs into....it’s not that it’s the exact definition of an exploit. Playing the game intentional in a way it isn’t intended for personal gain.....

People also didn’t “find it out” they were told and or were looking for a way to gain and cheat the normal intended gameplay. Everyone should’ve been banned long ago for this type of stuff too.

It’s not wildly swinging a ban hammer, it’s appropriately using the ban hammer. If you think it’s too harsh, you possibly don’t see it as an exploit and cheating.

Jarryzzt

I am going to bring up something from the other "exploit" thread.

inked1 wrote: »

They exploited a glitch. That is bannable. But what they were also doing was selling skin runs to people while using the glitch. These two things combined is what I think got them (deservedly so) perma banned.

I do not know if this is true - in fact, in the other thread I asked for the source. But if this were true, then it's not a matter of "innocent gamer finds exploit, rejoices; evil corporation strikes back", but rather more a case of "this is not a GodWars variant being run out of a university dorm, hence perma-ban". ["[i]You[/i] get a perma-ban...and [i]you[/i] get a perma-ban...[i]everybody[/i] gets a perma-ban!.."]

The original ZOS post, as quoted around, does not include any such details, but rather complains about achievements being obtained "unfairly". It's their game, of course, so they can ban anybody for anything they wish, but "unfairly" obtained achievements? In an MMO? Heaven forbid...I mean, why perma-ban instead of month-long plus character deletion (which solves the achievement "problem")? And so I am actually hopeful that there was something more to the story so as to absolve ZOS of any appearance of arbitrary authoritarianism...but I don't know. I only speculate.

NewBlacksmurf

Jarryzzt wrote: »

I am going to bring up something from the other "exploit" thread.

inked1 wrote: »

They exploited a glitch. That is bannable. But what they were also doing was selling skin runs to people while using the glitch. These two things combined is what I think got them (deservedly so) perma banned.

I do not know if this is true - in fact, in the other thread I asked for the source. But if this were true, then it's not a matter of "innocent gamer finds exploit, rejoices; evil corporation strikes back", but rather more a case of "this is not a GodWars variant being run out of a university dorm, hence perma-ban". ["[i]You[/i] get a perma-ban...and [i]you[/i] get a perma-ban...[i]everybody[/i] gets a perma-ban!.."]

The original ZOS post, as quoted around, does not include any such details, but rather complains about achievements being obtained "unfairly". It's their game, of course, so they can ban anybody for anything they wish, but "unfairly" obtained achievements? In an MMO? Heaven forbid...I mean, why perma-ban instead of month-long plus character deletion (which solves the achievement "problem")? And so I am actually hopeful that there was something more to the story so as to absolve ZOS of any appearance of arbitrary authoritarianism...but I don't know. I only speculate.

Why, because we all agreed to not cheat, exploit or conspire to cheat or exploit as the enforcement could lead to a ban. It’s all in writing

firedrgn

Direfrost keep is pretty much the same,exploit. Geeeeze. You stand,on,the other side of,gate and shoot with bow. Avoid all damage.

Korah_Eaglecry

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Normally you wouldn’t hear me say anything like this but personally I think the permanent ban is much too harsh. Especially for the first time offenders. I know some of the people who have done the exploit personally and they are very dedicated players. Some of them have been here since day 1 and spent thousands of dollars on content for this game. And to be banned for using a glitch that exhists in the programming may be wrong but a permanent ban is far too harsh. Now I don’t pve because iv got no interest but now iv seen some longtime players get the boot for something that while morally wrong isn’t nearly as severe as some of the chats going on in game. Iv seen people get harassed to the point where people even make Facebook accounts to harass players but they never got banned. Personally I would give a 1 month ban. Removal of ALL items and the achievement and skin. At least then the punishment is severe as to make a point not to do it again but doesn’t completely destroy someone’s hard work. While it may have taken zos months to make their trial. Some players have well over 2 years invested in a character. I don’t know about you but unless your actually causing someone harm then I think a permanent ban is too harsh and I feel zos should send a warning and let them know that the next offense is the end. But that’s just me.

Not dedicated enough to get the titles and the bells and whistles without exploiting. Serves em right.

SFDB

Runs

If some of you guys really think the ban is too harsh, then do the exploit yourselves. And if enough of you(first-timers) do it maybe they will change their stance on it. Maybe then too many people will have done it to properly enforce it. Or you will get a warning because this was your first time. Or maybe you will also get a well deserved ban for cheating.

I keep seeing first time brought up in this argument.

34 players were banned.

If you are not one of those 34 how do you know it was their first time. And if you are one of those 34 why should anyone believe a cheater when they say it's the first time. Almost every cheater says that. Seriously.

Morgul667

While am all in for punishing exploiters and im happy to see zos taking some actions, it does not make any sense in regards to bleakers ap cheaters, miat addon users, bot trains and everything we see on a regular basis and report on a regular basis

I fail to understand the logic and the fairness in zos actions.

All in all some actions must be taken against cheaters but in a more coordinated and organised way

jbjondeaueb17_ESO

In my opinion they did it right, it was before that they were going to easy on exploiters and cheaters.
I hope they will continue to be as hard as now on this sort of players.
I was pretty tired of players getting perma-ban and going back to a 3 days temporary ban, or players having several temporary ban again and again.
I honestly wish that ZOS communicate more on those cheaters/exploiters but it's already a good step in the right direction.

WillhelmBlack

I've had guildies disagree with me on this but I'm not a PvE player.

I also thought it was a bit harsh. The banned players didn't create a cheat or anything, they were literally just taking advantage of a mistake by the game developers. In PvE! No feelings hurt!
Reset their characters or something. A ban is a bit whack!

Morgul667

As miat addon players take advantage of some api bug introduced by zos. Can we expect a ban for those guys?

Ch4mpTW

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

templesus

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Ackwalan

templesus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Lets not go there.

Sheezabeast

It's times like this that Zos has to play Bad Cop. They can't always let stuff slide, whether that be a lack of manpower to do all the things like bot disposal, other tickets, plus the guy who feeds the server hampster brigade. They had to flex their banhammer because of how new the content is that got exploited. They have every right to ban whoever breaks ToS. You agree to that when you play ESO. So I think we should see this as a sign that Zos does have a stance on exploiters and cheaters. Even if its a blanket to cover the elephant in the room (the other ongoing exploits all over pve and pvp)

templesus

Ackwalan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Lets not go there.

Why? Does the treatment of people of African descent in the past 300 years make you feel uncomfortable?

Runs

templesus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Lets not go there.

Why? Does the treatment of people of African descent in the past 300 years make you feel uncomfortable?

Comparing that to cheaters getting what they deserve is making me uncomfortable.

Ackwalan

templesus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Lets not go there.

Why? Does the treatment of people of African descent in the past 300 years make you feel uncomfortable?

It's the blatant lies that always follow this train of conversation.

templesus

Runs wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Now you know how we black folk feel. Meek Mill gets 2 years in prison for going on tour and breaking his parole from something that happened 6 years ago. 2 whole years in prison. The system is harsh and cruel. I personally have no sympathy for people who cheat then brag about it. Good riddance.

Bruh... WTF does being Black have to do with anything? Let alone Meek Mill? I’m Black as well (technically biracial/multiracial, but I identify as Black), and I have no idea what either of the 2 things you mentioned has to do with the topic on hand. Lol.

However, I do agree with having no sympathy for those who cheat, and boast about it. I too say, “Deuces.” to the clowns who get caught-up with that banhammer for said idiotic actions. Let them catch all types of L’s, and from multiple angles.

Black people have historically received harsh and cruel punishment for things not equating the crime. The OP feels this way about the exploit perma-ban so he can now see how we feel.

Lets not go there.

Why? Does the treatment of people of African descent in the past 300 years make you feel uncomfortable?

Comparing that to cheaters getting what they deserve is making me uncomfortable.

Never compared them, just stated that now OP can see that side of the light. How people perceive that is of their own accord, and honestly if you are getting uncomfortable because of something said online you can just look away from the screen. Grow thicker skin.

Gamerscape2007

Oh wow, Zos Banning people because they *** up with a bug due to their ineptness and now banning people for it? Geee, where have I seen this Before *Cough gap closer exploit that haven't been fix in three month Cough*

Tbh, them getting banned is probably a blessing in disguise for them. They don't have to pay for this miserable game anymore, and can actually start having fun with other games. Like the streamers are doing. sure, they're salty that they got banned, but lets be real. It won't matter anyway. There's other mmo fresh in the sea, and this game won't last long in the future once elder scrolls 6 inevitably comes out.

Ashtaris

I think most everyone was tired of seeing various exploits being taken advantage of in the game and ZOS not doing enough to dissuade those from doing it again. So they decided to send a clear message this time that everyone will understand. If you exploit, you could be permabanned. Although I feel sorry for those who were punished, they knew what they were doing was wrong, especially those who were advertising runs in zone chat.

MakoFore

for all of those of you saying the punishment was just -and that they knew what they were getting into please consider your own experiences with dungeons- and if there was a dungeon- for example:
that allowed you to for example, skip a bunch of mobs by jumping over a wall by going up a tree, or conjuring a memento to skip another wall, and going straight to the end boss. and that after you killed this end boss- you still got a speed achievement, a no death achievement, and a skin. because many of the dungeons in this game have such a mechanic that allow you to bypass segments of the dungeon. Is that violation of the spirit of the game- and should players be punished for that too? cos if an exploit like this did exist- i think every single group that i might have run the dungeo9n with would have used the exploit casually without any hesitation. this is all hypothetical of course.

just think its a bit hypocritical because there are things that we do in this game all the time that skip the intentioned mechanics of the developers. they made a mistake and its a video game- ur talking about taking away something that is the social and gaming outlet for a lot of those players, now thats gone- imagine how much time and money they've invested all gone like that. i agree they deserve punishemnt- harsh punishment, but i also think they deserve a second chance.

central_scrutinizer

As folks keep pointing out, this is just a game.

So I don't have any real motivation to have any sympathy for cheaters. If they want to keep playing, they can start over and not cheat this time, no big deal.

Slick_007

people complain ZOS stance not hard enough on cheaters. suggest cheaters should be banned.
ZOS ban people for cheating
people complain ZOS stance too hard on cheaters