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KodiPvP, how does he do it?
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.Edited by Joy_Division on November 9, 2017 5:51AMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.10 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....Edited by Ariades_swe on November 9, 2017 5:59AM2 -
ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭Wow this thread is still going, let me break ESO PvP players down for you
Group A: These people are casuals and its not a bad thing, they are the meat and potato's of Cyrodiil. Maxed an alt or two, so the story is meh, probably wrapped clockwork city, did a undaunted daily or two and now just want to futz around on their main. They used to be the minority (think back a few years if youve been here) they are now the majority of the cyrodiil player base.
Group B: These people and their buddies group all the time and head out to cyro. Might be once a week, a raid night, might be every night. These people rely on others to succeed. Again, not a bad thing at all its necessary really. This can be anyone from duo's, to guilds running.
Group C: dedicated PVP players. These are the people who log into ESO because when they first played they were blown away by the combat and its still pretty dam good. Some of these people move in out of group B and D but they log in for PVP. They will do PVE for something they need in cyro but for the most part this is all they do. These are good players who understand timing, most of these people can animation cancel, understand movement and LOS and generally put up a fight. They will loose to Group A's zergs and Group B if they are solo but they can hold their own.
Group D : The 1% these are the people who spend hours prefecting rotations, test skills for effect, test gear these are the min maxers. They can literally do it all and have. They have hours and hours on their toons, they might even have their lovers IRL call them by their toons names when intimate because they are often thinking about ESO PVP, their toon and how to kill yours.
Group E: the 1% of the 1% these are your streamers often, these are the people that derive an income from their game play. Now there are people in this group that dont make money off it (think ZED vivec pc fans) but this group has to be the best, has to have BIS and has a network of people in game helping them achieve it. Multiple gold sets, Maelstrem weapons, your choice of monster set.
Kodi is a group E guy, hes good he has all the skills of the other groups but his motivation extends beyond being good in game, its income. Alcast, Deltia, Sypher all these players at one time or another were top of what they did.
Always follow the money kids, lol.
You forgot group F. The group that will believe anything told to them. The Fanbois.
You are the very definition of a fanboi. Try to actually think. Gold sets and perfect rotations do not give you 100% dodge, cc immunity, or ridiculous regen for that matter.
If you were here when the CE scandal happened then you should know. PvP was night and day different for about a week or 2. This player and his good friend Jules were hittable and killable all of a sudden.
Unfortunately it didn't take long for the CE workaround to be found. It was the cleanest pvp I saw in this game for that 1 week period.
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ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. However, watching a stream is evidence. You can see it with your own eyes. I would break it down but I am currently out to sea.
Its not about overestimating ones skill in this case. If you have 10 players beating on someone and they receive 0 cc's or dodge everything that is proof.
What proof would you prefer? CE can be manipulated to not be detected once again. I am sorry but in what world is video (streaming) not evidence?7 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »Wow this thread is still going, let me break ESO PvP players down for you
Group A: These people are casuals and its not a bad thing, they are the meat and potato's of Cyrodiil. Maxed an alt or two, so the story is meh, probably wrapped clockwork city, did a undaunted daily or two and now just want to futz around on their main. They used to be the minority (think back a few years if youve been here) they are now the majority of the cyrodiil player base.
Group B: These people and their buddies group all the time and head out to cyro. Might be once a week, a raid night, might be every night. These people rely on others to succeed. Again, not a bad thing at all its necessary really. This can be anyone from duo's, to guilds running.
Group C: dedicated PVP players. These are the people who log into ESO because when they first played they were blown away by the combat and its still pretty dam good. Some of these people move in out of group B and D but they log in for PVP. They will do PVE for something they need in cyro but for the most part this is all they do. These are good players who understand timing, most of these people can animation cancel, understand movement and LOS and generally put up a fight. They will loose to Group A's zergs and Group B if they are solo but they can hold their own.
Group D : The 1% these are the people who spend hours prefecting rotations, test skills for effect, test gear these are the min maxers. They can literally do it all and have. They have hours and hours on their toons, they might even have their lovers IRL call them by their toons names when intimate because they are often thinking about ESO PVP, their toon and how to kill yours.
Group E: the 1% of the 1% these are your streamers often, these are the people that derive an income from their game play. Now there are people in this group that dont make money off it (think ZED vivec pc fans) but this group has to be the best, has to have BIS and has a network of people in game helping them achieve it. Multiple gold sets, Maelstrem weapons, your choice of monster set.
Kodi is a group E guy, hes good he has all the skills of the other groups but his motivation extends beyond being good in game, its income. Alcast, Deltia, Sypher all these players at one time or another were top of what they did.
Always follow the money kids, lol.
You forgot group F. The group that will believe anything told to them. The Fanbois.
You are the very definition of a fanboi. Try to actually think. Gold sets and perfect rotations do not give you 100% dodge, cc immunity, or ridiculous regen for that matter.
If you were here when the CE scandal happened then you should know. PvP was night and day different for about a week or 2. This player and his good friend Jules were hittable and killable all of a sudden.
Unfortunately it didn't take long for the CE workaround to be found. It was the cleanest pvp I saw in this game for that 1 week period.
What's this CE?1 -
ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Wow this thread is still going, let me break ESO PvP players down for you
Group A: These people are casuals and its not a bad thing, they are the meat and potato's of Cyrodiil. Maxed an alt or two, so the story is meh, probably wrapped clockwork city, did a undaunted daily or two and now just want to futz around on their main. They used to be the minority (think back a few years if youve been here) they are now the majority of the cyrodiil player base.
Group B: These people and their buddies group all the time and head out to cyro. Might be once a week, a raid night, might be every night. These people rely on others to succeed. Again, not a bad thing at all its necessary really. This can be anyone from duo's, to guilds running.
Group C: dedicated PVP players. These are the people who log into ESO because when they first played they were blown away by the combat and its still pretty dam good. Some of these people move in out of group B and D but they log in for PVP. They will do PVE for something they need in cyro but for the most part this is all they do. These are good players who understand timing, most of these people can animation cancel, understand movement and LOS and generally put up a fight. They will loose to Group A's zergs and Group B if they are solo but they can hold their own.
Group D : The 1% these are the people who spend hours prefecting rotations, test skills for effect, test gear these are the min maxers. They can literally do it all and have. They have hours and hours on their toons, they might even have their lovers IRL call them by their toons names when intimate because they are often thinking about ESO PVP, their toon and how to kill yours.
Group E: the 1% of the 1% these are your streamers often, these are the people that derive an income from their game play. Now there are people in this group that dont make money off it (think ZED vivec pc fans) but this group has to be the best, has to have BIS and has a network of people in game helping them achieve it. Multiple gold sets, Maelstrem weapons, your choice of monster set.
Kodi is a group E guy, hes good he has all the skills of the other groups but his motivation extends beyond being good in game, its income. Alcast, Deltia, Sypher all these players at one time or another were top of what they did.
Always follow the money kids, lol.
You forgot group F. The group that will believe anything told to them. The Fanbois.
You are the very definition of a fanboi. Try to actually think. Gold sets and perfect rotations do not give you 100% dodge, cc immunity, or ridiculous regen for that matter.
If you were here when the CE scandal happened then you should know. PvP was night and day different for about a week or 2. This player and his good friend Jules were hittable and killable all of a sudden.
Unfortunately it didn't take long for the CE workaround to be found. It was the cleanest pvp I saw in this game for that 1 week period.
What's this CE?
A program that can manipulate certain values that are on the client side. Google it and watch people raining meteors non stop and the like.
The difference though is they did it to bring the spotlight to it. There are many others that are doing it just enough to have a significant edge but not enough to get caught by this games weak anti-cheat software.
The same arguments were made before the scandal by some of the same fanboi's that they are making now. The best being its a L2P issue.
This program was back like 2 weeks after they finally opened their eyes.
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✭ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. However, watching a stream is evidence. You can see it with your own eyes. I would break it down but I am currently out to sea.
Its not about overestimating ones skill in this case. If you have 10 players beating on someone and they receive 0 cc's or dodge everything that is proof.
What proof would you prefer? CE can be manipulated to not be detected once again. I am sorry but in what world is video (streaming) not evidence?
Nope. "Watching Stream" is as far from evidence as possible. Evidence means that you present something for other people to be able to verify. Saying i saw you jump 20 meters up in the air, does not make it true, does it?
All i hear is "he is CC immune like allmost all the time", "he is never snared", "he has 100% dodge chance" bla bla bla. All this is based on how you feel and what you see on stream? Show a video and break it down for us then. If he is cheating as stated, it would be the easiest thing in the world, to analyse his video and determine wether or not he has legitimate immunity or not. Everything has a visual indicator in this game. So come on. Show me a clip where he is cheating? But i know you - or anyone else - won't be doing that. Because you would not be able to come up with the result that you want. Unfortunately, Untill you do jsut that, you are just the guy who should unequip the tinfoil hat.Edited by raasdal on November 9, 2017 3:15PMPC - EU
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✭✭✭Kodi's nearly immune to CC because he blocks them often. Snares... I dunno. Maybe the Expedition from bow dodgeroll. Don't care if he's using macros. As far as I know, only Macroslice is a remaining sequence-breaking macro, and it's rare.
LAG is the real cheater. Sypher once reflected on his success and theorized his stellar connection to the server could give him an edge. But he's also good.
Then I had a fight half an hour ago against a... newer player, and my Curse-Fury-Frag combo just didn't register. He was stunned and couldn't dodge or block it. No MISS indicating Shuffle. It just didn't register. I'm on XBone, so no CE. It must be lag. And don't get me started on how often my Frags and Ultis just refuse to fire.
Tl;dr: Spaghetti code. With bologna.0 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »You can't tell me there isn't a media influence when most people still literally think Sarah Palin said, "I can see Russia from my porch!"
When SnL is quoted for most people as a reference... There most definitely a media influence
Of course media influence is real. But this has nothing to do with @Joy_Division ‘s statement that simple minded peon type people often ascribe to conspiracy theories what they can’t intellecutually fathom. In the same way that garbage tier players accuse others of cheating when in reality they just are incompetent and frustrated.
The subject here is people who use conspiracies/magic/cheating accusations to rationalize ideas that they struggle to comprehend, not the object that they rationalize it with.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@Malic do you have them call you by your character's name?
He probably just calls them all AyrennShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. However, watching a stream is evidence. You can see it with your own eyes. I would break it down but I am currently out to sea.
Its not about overestimating ones skill in this case. If you have 10 players beating on someone and they receive 0 cc's or dodge everything that is proof.
What proof would you prefer? CE can be manipulated to not be detected once again. I am sorry but in what world is video (streaming) not evidence?
Nobody here is saying we don't believe he cheats. We are just saying there's countless hours of video so saying "watch his stream" isn't enough. I hate cheaters and it's a contributing factor to why I'm on Xbox and not PC. But there's too much content for everyone to sort through, if you want to expose him as cheating then it shouldn't be hard to link a clear, specific, exampleEdited by Lexxypwns on November 9, 2017 3:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭and has a network of people in game helping them.
I’ll share my perspective to illustrate your point. I get a care package of 1000 tri pots and immov speed pots each a month from my eso sugar momma, and have received no less than 20 full sets worth of gold gear from various ppl for free over the course of my time in this game. Cus I don’t have the time or care to collect mats or delve into crafting. This lets me focus all my game time on actually PvPing and developing builds. And I’m always able to do so with any in game tool or resource I may desire.
The point you’re making is very valid. Both IRL and in game, you’ll find that the people who get ahead are often able to do so because of the free advantages and resources they are privy to.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. However, watching a stream is evidence. You can see it with your own eyes. I would break it down but I am currently out to sea.
Its not about overestimating ones skill in this case. If you have 10 players beating on someone and they receive 0 cc's or dodge everything that is proof.
What proof would you prefer? CE can be manipulated to not be detected once again. I am sorry but in what world is video (streaming) not evidence?
I disagree that asking me to watch someone else's stream constitutes compelling evidence. In the case of the infamous B EP sorc tandem, multiple people broke down videos, highlighted and freeze framed multiple instances instances with combat logs that were difficult to reconcile with ESO's mechanics.
And the statement that 10 players beating on someone so X should happen to me sounds like something that inexperienced players would say. I'm not nearly as good as Kodi, but I've had 10 players beating on me, spamming snares and CC, ulti bombing me, and I have managed not to die. It is absolutely possible.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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You're right There's been tons of research about this. Low educated or lower iq individuals tend to believe in conspiracy theories more than people with higher education.Waffennacht wrote: »You can't tell me there isn't a media influence when most people still literally think Sarah Palin said, "I can see Russia from my porch!"
When SnL is quoted for most people as a reference... There most definitely a media influence
Of course media influence is real. But this has nothing to do with @Joy_Division ‘s statement that simple minded peon type people often ascribe to conspiracy theories what they can’t intellecutually fathom. In the same way that garbage tier players accuse others of cheating when in reality they just are incompetent and frustrated.
The subject here is people who use conspiracies/magic/cheating accusations to rationalize ideas that they struggl to comprehend, not the object that they rationalize it with.0 -
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✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »
You're right There's been tons of research about this. Low educated or lower iq individuals tend to believe in conspiracy theories more than people with higher education.Waffennacht wrote: »You can't tell me there isn't a media influence when most people still literally think Sarah Palin said, "I can see Russia from my porch!"
When SnL is quoted for most people as a reference... There most definitely a media influence
Of course media influence is real. But this has nothing to do with @Joy_Division ‘s statement that simple minded peon type people often ascribe to conspiracy theories what they can’t intellecutually fathom. In the same way that garbage tier players accuse others of cheating when in reality they just are incompetent and frustrated.
The subject here is people who use conspiracies/magic/cheating accusations to rationalize ideas that they struggl to comprehend, not the object that they rationalize it with.
And people refusing to even consider conspiracy theories are more gullible.
Healthy scepticism, guys. Be critical and think about things. All IQ in the world is useless if you're reading only other people's books.7 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....
We got some slow learners here dont we...
That was my whole *** point. He uses rally and told me forward momentum was how he was getting all that sexy root and snare immunity. Cmon be a learner. Its no wonder you tools dont see cheating that is going on right in front of you.8 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »[quote="StackonClown;c-46
29189"]He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....
We got some slow learners here dont we...
That was my whole *** point. He uses rally and told me forward momentum was how he was getting all that sexy root and snare immunity. Cmon be a learner. Its no wonder you tools dont see cheating that is going on right in front of you.[/quote]
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Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....
We got some slow learners here dont we...
That was my whole *** point. He uses rally and told me forward momentum was how he was getting all that sexy root and snare immunity. Cmon be a learner. Its no wonder you tools dont see cheating that is going on right in front of you.
Yeah sry I didn't read your first post since you come off as a rather angry and overly emotional person.
I agree with you though.
If it occured like you said.
He played stamblade.
He was snare and cc immune constantly for 3 to 4 minutes.
He replied he used forward momentum when you sent him tells.
If this is true you're correct.
But judging from how you reply to people in this thread and your lack of social skills you seem to be a very immature individual so I think in your case it's just the Dunning-Kruger effect.
The other people in this thread like @ShadowProc have much better arguments for your case since they don't resort to let their emotions get in the way.
Maybe you can learn something from them for future reference.
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✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ShadowProc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »In the Middle Ages, people use to attribute things they did not understand or comprehend to magic, the supernatural witchcraft, etc.
Since the Scientific Revolution, people have become so much more intellectually sophisticated that ttheye now attribute things they do not understand to conspiracy, the influence of the media/Internet, and videogame hacks.
Joy I usually enjoy reading your posts and agree most of the time. But cannot on this one. Dredlord made a valid point. Watch Kodi's streams. Forget about latency and all that.
Focus on what was presented. I have noticed it as well. He literally is immune nearly 100% of the time. He also has an extremely high chance of dodge.
Lets just discuss the immunity. Watch his stream and watch how rarely he gets snared or cc'd. Explain that to me please?
I have better thing to do with my time than watching someone else play ESO. If you feel that strongly, then break the video down and highlight glaring inconsistencies and post it on non-ESO format like youtube where you won't be breaking the code of conduct on these forums. When it comes to accusations of cheating, the burden needs to be on the accuser and "it looks fishy on his stream" does not constitute nearly enough evidence.
I will say this. Just about every stamina character I fight seems to be immune to snares. I apply Sunfire, a 40% snare, against every opponent on cooldown and my sweeps supposedly snare them by 70% (!), yet that does not stop or even impede them from rolling away, running around trees, and kiting me with zero issues whatsoever. I don't know how they do it, but I just assume that every stamina character I fight will always evade my charges and my jabs if they want to. So I do not find what people say about Kodi doing this exceptional.
I do not doubt that some people cheat. And I can see why because some high profile NA PC players were caught, that it put a cloud of suspicion over all good NA PC players. These high profile players I never trust again. But I operate under the policy of innocent until proven guilty. Only when someone is grossly abnormal and there is much evidence presented by many people, as in the case of the infamous double B EP sorcerer duo, do I take these accusations seriously.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players have an over-inflated assessment of their own skill and a downright comical disregard of most other players skill. Lag, exploits, allegedly OP skills, Zos catering to casuals, macros, and hacks are all common accusations that people devise in order to reconcile how it was they lost to what they think is an inferior player.
Not only that, people who have played this game everyday for years are going to be far more knowledgeable of the mechanics and their instincts in critical situations are going to be on point, which will make them do things that are seemingly beyond the capability of people who have not PvPed every day for over three years. Especially if their experience is open world and outnumbered; they are going to be able to survive encounters that seem inconceivable to the vast majority of the ESO community.
If cheating is as rampant as some people believe, then these cheaters need to get better cheat programs. I don't cheat, I play on a laptop, I play with a $15 generic mouse, my ping is so bad the game just logs me out at least twice a night, I am old enough that I can tell my eyesight and reflexes are not what they once were, my motor coordination is terrible, and yet it is very rare I ever feel outmatched. I do get beat, but I can almost always attribute my loses to mistakes I make or just a bad match-up. Since I know it's possible to be good at this game without cheating and even without a very good system, I'm going to harbor doubts unless the evidence of someone cheating comes from multiple sources and is compelling.
How would you like it if someone called you a hack because of what they saw on a stream? I'm guessing you would't appreciate it. I just think people should follow the Golden rule here. Calling a gamer a cheat is a very serious accusation. I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't know. I am saying people should provide evidence, something on a level beyond telling me to watch a stream, to back up it up.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. However, watching a stream is evidence. You can see it with your own eyes. I would break it down but I am currently out to sea.
Its not about overestimating ones skill in this case. If you have 10 players beating on someone and they receive 0 cc's or dodge everything that is proof.
What proof would you prefer? CE can be manipulated to not be detected once again. I am sorry but in what world is video (streaming) not evidence?
I highly doubt any cheater is gonna expose his cheats through videos/streaming... it's just like a drug dealer selling his wares outside a police station.
I'm quite sure people like Kodi or Sypher are the first ZoS checks if they are cheating.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....
We got some slow learners here dont we...
That was my whole *** point. He uses rally and told me forward momentum was how he was getting all that sexy root and snare immunity. Cmon be a learner. Its no wonder you tools dont see cheating that is going on right in front of you.
Medium doesn’t need forward momentum... medium uses shuffle... that’s what the person you insulted was implying but you seem to be so unknowledgeable about this game that it went over your head
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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This kind of mind set will leave your skill level at the cannon fodder Xv1 player level.NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Years of dueling other good players constantly and minimizing his group size in open world to push his limits. Open-minded self-criticism and an urge to simply be excellent at the game to motivate him. Testing to dissect and learn about game mechanics and networking with other knowledgeable players who do the same to stay informed and ahead of the meta.
Also the below comment is untrue and not how the game works at all. This person is a fitting example of how not to think if you want to improve at the game.ChairGraveyard wrote: »OP - the answer is macroing animation canceling to spam skills. Because the game doesn't network animation cancelled delays properly, you can land multiple skills against other players at once, even if they appear to have delays between them on your own client.
In this way you can land 5+ skills on an enemy in less than a second and they will see *ZERO* animation, then be instantly dead.
I don't personally do this because I consider it cheating, but it's incredibly common in PvP.
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✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »
This kind of mind set will leave your skill level at the cannon fodder Xv1 player level.NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Years of dueling other good players constantly and minimizing his group size in open world to push his limits. Open-minded self-criticism and an urge to simply be excellent at the game to motivate him. Testing to dissect and learn about game mechanics and networking with other knowledgeable players who do the same to stay informed and ahead of the meta.
Also the below comment is untrue and not how the game works at all. This person is a fitting example of how not to think if you want to improve at the game.ChairGraveyard wrote: »OP - the answer is macroing animation canceling to spam skills. Because the game doesn't network animation cancelled delays properly, you can land multiple skills against other players at once, even if they appear to have delays between them on your own client.
In this way you can land 5+ skills on an enemy in less than a second and they will see *ZERO* animation, then be instantly dead.
I don't personally do this because I consider it cheating, but it's incredibly common in PvP.
Are you sayin Kena is a cannon fodder?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
Cute. You might want to knock it off with the condescending attitude when someone's trying to help you make sense of things.
People crying about imaginary cheaters are a dime a dozen in this game and so far youre still throwing baseless accusations around. Bonus points for assuming I even watch his stream or care about it.
Heavy armour stamblades are a thing and I know next to nothing about what builds he runs.Edited by Valencer on November 9, 2017 6:28PM1 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »He's a good player who cheats subtley and intelligently and he rarely gets caught.
I was fighting him one day in cyro and msg him after I noticed something odd. I asked him how he can be immune to snares and root constantly while he fights. I knew what he would say, of course he told me forward momentum...
I said that is strange because i just recorded you getting the big burst heal from rally while we were fighting. No response after that...
40% uptime on snare, root, and CCimmunuty exists in another way that's not cheating
This was not 40% snare immunity uptime. This was a 3-4 minute fight with 100% uptime that I eventually just walked away from.
Try and focus on what he said, then imagine how he pulled off a burst heal by refreshing "forward momentum"...
Try and quell your fanboism long enough to consider, he might be a cheater. And yes, I have considered he may not be before you jump in with the 'No You' argument.
Stamina wardens have a class-based burst heal (Soothing Spores) and don't need Rally at all. Have you considered this at all?
Lol...its awesome when the streamer fanbois are willing to dream up anything so their hero can save face.
Let me ask you, what made you think he was playing a warden at the time?
So what class, build setup was it?
He was playing his stamblade with 2h and if i remember correctly, bow back bar.
He doesn't use forward momentum on his stamblade since he's in medium on that class.....
We got some slow learners here dont we...
That was my whole *** point. He uses rally and told me forward momentum was how he was getting all that sexy root and snare immunity. Cmon be a learner. Its no wonder you tools dont see cheating that is going on right in front of you.
Yeah sry I didn't read your first post since you come off as a rather angry and overly emotional person.
I agree with you though.
If it occured like you said.
He played stamblade.
He was snare and cc immune constantly for 3 to 4 minutes.
He replied he used forward momentum when you sent him tells.
If this is true you're correct.
But judging from how you reply to people in this thread and your lack of social skills you seem to be a very immature individual so I think in your case it's just the Dunning-Kruger effect.
The other people in this thread like @ShadowProc have much better arguments for your case since they don't resort to let their emotions get in the way.
Maybe you can learn something from them for future reference.
/Anders
Thank you, and you are right, I have no patience for half the people around here.
@Thogard for instance. Maybe he will read your post and realize his mistake, doubtful.
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montiferus✭✭✭✭✭I've watched quite a few of Kodi's streams and have noticed nothing out of the ordinary.
What I have noticed is that..
1. He is an exceptionally good player with tons of in game experience that he puts to very good use and makes very few mistakes. The best of anyone I have watched or played with/against.
2. The average PC player is absolute garbage at PVP.
My guess is if you are bitter about getting the smack down you probably fall into category #2. It's cool though. You can keep thinking he cheats along with all of the other players who consistently beat you.2 -
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✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »2. The average PC player is absolute garbage at PVP.
You can amend that to the average player is garbage period. Console pugs seem just as bad, if not worse.
The exception of course is the PC EU server where apperently every single pug is a god tier player and 1vX is completely impossible. Source: EU small scalers.2 -
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✭✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »2. The average PC player is absolute garbage at PVP.
You can amend that to the average player is garbage period. Console pugs seem just as bad, if not worse.
The exception of course is the PC EU server where apperently every single pug is a god tier player and 1vX is completely impossible. Source: EU small scalers.
I think the skill level is similar.
The following is just my opinion after playing on both pc and console
However, I think the fact that PC players get add-ons that allow the to intricately construct their UI to show exactly what they want in a clean, clear, and concise manner, much the way Kodi does, have an advantage over the top tier console players despite arguably similar skill levels. Since tracking and managing buffs, customizing a specific UI to fit your pvp needs, and managing input from these add-ons is "high level play" in this game, its a benefit that widens the gap between pugs and elite.2 -
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✭✭montiferus wrote: »2. The average PC player is absolute garbage at PVP.
You can amend that to the average player is garbage period. Console pugs seem just as bad, if not worse.
The exception of course is the PC EU server where apperently every single pug is a god tier player and 1vX is completely impossible. Source: EU small scalers.
I think the skill level is similar.
The following is just my opinion after playing on both pc and console
However, I think the fact that PC players get add-ons that allow the to intricately construct their UI to show exactly what they want in a clean, clear, and concise manner, much the way Kodi does, have an advantage over the top tier console players despite arguably similar skill levels. Since tracking and managing buffs, customizing a specific UI to fit your pvp needs, and managing input from these add-ons is "high level play" in this game, its a benefit that widens the gap between pugs and elite.
What about those who don't use add-ons?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Imontiferus wrote: »2. The average PC player is absolute garbage at PVP.
You can amend that to the average player is garbage period. Console pugs seem just as bad, if not worse.
The exception of course is the PC EU server where apperently every single pug is a god tier player and 1vX is completely impossible. Source: EU small scalers.
I think the skill level is similar.
The following is just my opinion after playing on both pc and console
However, I think the fact that PC players get add-ons that allow the to intricately construct their UI to show exactly what they want in a clean, clear, and concise manner, much the way Kodi does, have an advantage over the top tier console players despite arguably similar skill levels. Since tracking and managing buffs, customizing a specific UI to fit your pvp needs, and managing input from these add-ons is "high level play" in this game, its a benefit that widens the gap between pugs and elite.
What about those who don't use add-ons?
I find he generally isnt able to consider that many possibilities at one time.0
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