Tava's Favor - For Nightblades & Medium armor users ONLY! (NOT ANYMORE!)

Caligamy_ESO · October 2017

Since the change to evasion/shuffle which makes the skill only usable when equipping 5 medium armor pieces this armor set has essentially been pigeonholed into only two usable situations. Nightblade tanks or medium armor users, nothing else will work with this set now that ZOS has changed an essential skill to proc its 5th set bonus. Are we expected to dodge roll every time an enemy or boss swings at us now? With what stamina exactly? I don't really get the logic behind this change other than yet again a stubbornness to balance PVP and PVE separately, something that's been destroying enjoyment in this game for a long time now.

A now completely useless set of armor and weapons, to anything but Nightblade:

How does this change even remotely make sense in the PVE environment? Is this the "play as you want" model touted to us? Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all. I would love to hear back from ZOS if there are any plans on adjusting this set bonus to be useful again, or is this now what we are stuck with? Nightblade armor, or deconstruction fodder.

Now its for no one..

P.S. I just solod a vet dungeon on my squishy paper defense magsorc thanks to your wonderful update to make pets invincible and not change the bosses targeting, great patch you guys put out.. really. You can really tell its superbly thought out.

killimandrosb16_ESO · October 2017

I guess it could be usefulfor wardens

eso_lags · October 2017

they wont balance pve and pvp separately for some reason.. they dont care how we feel about it, at least right now.. There are a lot of things ive seen other mmos do that eso could easily do but they just choose not to.. Idk if its about paying for staff to get it done in a timely fashion, or if they just dont wanna stray from whatever plans they have.. But listening to the community does not seem to be one of their strong suits.. Making a beautiful game is, but balance? no.

Avran_Sylt · October 2017

Roll-dodge? Seems like it would have great synergy with Morihaus then as well. Try out some well-fitted builds?

Taylor_MB · October 2017

Just off the top of my head...

Meridia's Blessed Armour
Glorious Defender
Gossamer

Narvuntien · October 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

they wont balance pve and pvp separately for some reason.. they dont care how we feel about it, at least right now.. There are a lot of things ive seen other mmos do that eso could easily do but they just choose not to.. Idk if its about paying for staff to get it done in a timely fashion, or if they just dont wanna stray from whatever plans they have.. But listening to the community does not seem to be one of their strong suits.. Making a beautiful game is, but balance? no.

Could you imagine going into PVP and having none of your abilities do what you expect them to do? your sets do unknown amounts of damage. There is no way a new player going into PVP will have any idea what the hell was happening.

Right now there is a millions of useless morphs that could be made into useful PVP skills. The morph system allows for seperation of PVE and PVP. PVE wants sustained damage and PVP wants Burst. PVE can be static and PVP is always on the move. PVE Crits are important, PVP Crit resistance is important (or SD/WD is more important than crit). PVE CC is barely relevent (except for tanks), PVP CC is extremely important. There are so many abilities in this game, may which are never used there is plenty of game design space to use here.

I think it is a game design mistake that any PVP changes effect PVE at all, put simply if it was used in both PVE and PVP perhaps there is something OP about the skill (or armor set). That is not counting the class abilities that morph into stam abilities since they will be used for their versions of the class.

Well there would be less of an issue if there was jewerely crafting, because hist bark is a crafted set (or spectres eye) that give evasion or if more dropped sets gave evasion.

Morgul667 · October 2017

That was my GO TO tanking set through thick and thin. Im quite bummed about this change for PVE tanking

Hope they could make the set usefull again. Change the ultimates generation from dodge to doing physical damages or whatever.

My hopes are not high

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

That was my GO TO tanking set through thick and thin. Im quite bummed about this change for PVE tanking

Hope they could make the set usefull again. Change the ultimates generation from dodge to doing physical damages or whatever.

My hopes are not high

I used Evasion quite a lot myself, but to be fair we have to recognize that they took a steaming dump on Immovable (Heavy armor active) years ago and finally decided to give it a shot in the arm. These changes didn't do anything to my Argonian Nightblade tank, but other changes to Nightblade itself have harmed my tanking ability on that character. I have some other tricks I plan to try out but I'm not very hopeful. Nightblade resource regeneration really got awful by comparison with what it use to have.

Runschei · October 2017

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all.

I can tell you that many of us has interest in pvp, and many of us have no interest in pve. I get that this change was critical for pve tanks, and I sully support for ZOS to separate pvp and pve, but something had to be done about the Cyrodiil tanks.

Azurya · October 2017

it is the clear policy that all crafted sets are made useless!

from patch to patch this is happening.

we are moving high speed to the universal meta-built, doesn´t matter what class, direction you are,
there will be the one and only build which does it all
tanking, healing, dps all in one,

all abilities loose their direction
all classes does so too
so in near future we all will be playing the
ultimative sorc-like meta

ccfeeling · October 2017

I just wanna say ZOS do it too late.

Morgul667 · October 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

That was my GO TO tanking set through thick and thin. Im quite bummed about this change for PVE tanking

Hope they could make the set usefull again. Change the ultimates generation from dodge to doing physical damages or whatever.

My hopes are not high

I used Evasion quite a lot myself, but to be fair we have to recognize that they took a steaming dump on Immovable (Heavy armor active) years ago and finally decided to give it a shot in the arm. These changes didn't do anything to my Argonian Nightblade tank, but other changes to Nightblade itself have harmed my tanking ability on that character. I have some other tricks I plan to try out but I'm not very hopeful. Nightblade resource regeneration really got awful by comparison with what it use to have.

Yep

RouDeR · October 2017

Git gut nobos , there are 2 sets that are providing major evasion (Not HiSt Bark) , so u or your healer can use them . If you wanna run ultigen build there are FAR BETTER sets than Tava and they wont require shuffle for it.

Rickter · October 2017

keep all that gold gear in your bank - for when you inevitably grind up a nightblade

Drummerx04 · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

they wont balance pve and pvp separately for some reason.. they dont care how we feel about it, at least right now.. There are a lot of things ive seen other mmos do that eso could easily do but they just choose not to.. Idk if its about paying for staff to get it done in a timely fashion, or if they just dont wanna stray from whatever plans they have.. But listening to the community does not seem to be one of their strong suits.. Making a beautiful game is, but balance? no.

Could you imagine going into PVP and having none of your abilities do what you expect them to do? your sets do unknown amounts of damage. There is no way a new player going into PVP will have any idea what the hell was happening.

And frankly, your sets already do unknown amounts of damage because of the sheer variety of builds you encounter. How come my crystal frag nearly one shots that NB with 20k health, but that guy in the wedding dress takes like 2k damage unblocked during a /yawn emote? Imo that is far more confusing to a new PvP player than any separate balancing ever could be.

It's not like balancing for pvp means that, for instance, in PvE fear causes enemies to run away, while in PvP fear causes you to stop all action then kneel on the ground and cut out your own intestines and die.

Balancing for just pvp could be a simple change in the duration of a stun, or a reduction/increase in damage, mages fury explodes at 15% instead of 20%, snare durations or their potency get cut in half... All things that could be clearly displayed in the tooltip while not changing what the skill fundamentally does or what role it fills. This is what people mean when they say balancing them separately would not be that hard. Would it be perfect? No, but it could be much closer to actual balance.

Personofsecrets · October 2017

just roll dodge

Loves_guars · October 2017

nvm

W0lf_z13 · October 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just off the top of my head...

Meridia's Blessed Armour
Glorious Defender
Gossamer

from what i was told by a friend who tested out tavas & blessed ... the "misses" dont count as a dodge

Jamini · October 2017

It sucks losing tavas, but frankly I haven't used it much lately anyway. The stamina cost for evasion often really wasn't worth it for me. Running Absorb Magic was far better.

Ebon Armory is still the gold standard, and Hist Bark is excellent. Alkosh and Akaviri Dragonguard are also still very good

Qbiken · October 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just off the top of my head...

Meridia's Blessed Armour
Glorious Defender
Gossamer

Meridias does not proc Tava´s Favour. I´ve tested it. The game makes a difference between miss and dodge. However, you can dodge and miss an attack at the same time.

br0steen · October 2017

Get on the new nb tank meta, warhorn every 30s or less!(depends on the fight)

NyassaV · October 2017

I have nearly no sympathy, there are still ways to proc it

Dredlord · October 2017

Your concern for tava is noted and appreciated but please consider...

#soulshineArmorMatters too

Lexxypwns · October 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just off the top of my head...

Meridia's Blessed Armour
Glorious Defender
Gossamer

Meridias does not proc tavas, you're not dodging anything your opponent misses

Xvorg · October 2017

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Since the change to evasion/shuffle which makes the skill only usable when equipping 5 medium armor pieces this armor set has essentially been pigeonholed into only two usable situations. Nightblade tanks or medium armor users, nothing else will work with this set now that ZOS has changed an essential skill to proc its 5th set bonus. Are we expected to dodge roll every time an enemy or boss swings at us now? With what stamina exactly? I don't really get the logic behind this change other than yet again a stubbornness to balance PVP and PVE separately, something that's been destroying enjoyment in this game for a long time now.

A now completely useless set of armor and weapons, to anything but Nightblade:

How does this change even remotely make sense in the PVE environment? Is this the "play as you want" model touted to us? Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all. I would love to hear back from ZOS if there are any plans on adjusting this set bonus to be useful again, or is this now what we are stuck with? Nightblade armor, or deconstruction fodder.

Can be paired with spectre's eye, Hist Bark and Glorious defender

Lexxypwns · October 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Since the change to evasion/shuffle which makes the skill only usable when equipping 5 medium armor pieces this armor set has essentially been pigeonholed into only two usable situations. Nightblade tanks or medium armor users, nothing else will work with this set now that ZOS has changed an essential skill to proc its 5th set bonus. Are we expected to dodge roll every time an enemy or boss swings at us now? With what stamina exactly? I don't really get the logic behind this change other than yet again a stubbornness to balance PVP and PVE separately, something that's been destroying enjoyment in this game for a long time now.

A now completely useless set of armor and weapons, to anything but Nightblade:

How does this change even remotely make sense in the PVE environment? Is this the "play as you want" model touted to us? Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all. I would love to hear back from ZOS if there are any plans on adjusting this set bonus to be useful again, or is this now what we are stuck with? Nightblade armor, or deconstruction fodder.

Can be paired with spectre's eye, Hist Bark and Glorious defender

And gossamer. Except how do you fit 2 5pc crafted sets to make hist work with it?

Caligamy_ESO · October 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Since the change to evasion/shuffle which makes the skill only usable when equipping 5 medium armor pieces this armor set has essentially been pigeonholed into only two usable situations. Nightblade tanks or medium armor users, nothing else will work with this set now that ZOS has changed an essential skill to proc its 5th set bonus. Are we expected to dodge roll every time an enemy or boss swings at us now? With what stamina exactly? I don't really get the logic behind this change other than yet again a stubbornness to balance PVP and PVE separately, something that's been destroying enjoyment in this game for a long time now.

A now completely useless set of armor and weapons, to anything but Nightblade:

How does this change even remotely make sense in the PVE environment? Is this the "play as you want" model touted to us? Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all. I would love to hear back from ZOS if there are any plans on adjusting this set bonus to be useful again, or is this now what we are stuck with? Nightblade armor, or deconstruction fodder.

Can be paired with spectre's eye, Hist Bark and Glorious defender

And gossamer. Except how do you fit 2 5pc crafted sets to make hist work with it?

^ This, but also I have to ask.. if light and heavy tava's armor do not work at all for 3 out of 5 classes (because warden has that silly 5% evasion skill) without requiring a 2nd set to make it work, then isn't it broken? Name one other set in the game that cannot function independently of another set.

Sixty5 · October 2017

I feel like Gossamer + Tavas would be pretty strong on a Magden healer in PVP. Huge ulti gen, as well as team utility with the spread of Major Evasion.

Played around with it in a build editor and honestly came out looking like one of the most cancerous builds possible.

ToRelax · October 2017

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Since the change to evasion/shuffle which makes the skill only usable when equipping 5 medium armor pieces this armor set has essentially been pigeonholed into only two usable situations. Nightblade tanks or medium armor users, nothing else will work with this set now that ZOS has changed an essential skill to proc its 5th set bonus. Are we expected to dodge roll every time an enemy or boss swings at us now? With what stamina exactly? I don't really get the logic behind this change other than yet again a stubbornness to balance PVP and PVE separately, something that's been destroying enjoyment in this game for a long time now.

A now completely useless set of armor and weapons, to anything but Nightblade:

How does this change even remotely make sense in the PVE environment? Is this the "play as you want" model touted to us? Because it seems to be getting more and more restrictive as time goes on all for the sake of balance of one aspect of the game many of us have no interest in at all. I would love to hear back from ZOS if there are any plans on adjusting this set bonus to be useful again, or is this now what we are stuck with? Nightblade armor, or deconstruction fodder.

Can be paired with spectre's eye, Hist Bark and Glorious defender

And gossamer. Except how do you fit 2 5pc crafted sets to make hist work with it?

^ This, but also I have to ask.. if light and heavy tava's armor do not work at all for 3 out of 5 classes (because warden has that silly 5% evasion skill) without requiring a 2nd set to make it work, then isn't it broken? Name one other set in the game that cannot function independently of another set.

But there's still actual dodging, too... that doesn't make it a great set on light/heavy, but it still works. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to give everyone easy access to major evasion just because there's a set they could use well then.

charley222 · October 2017

i just dont craft rare set anymore because is the same crap for the last 3 to 4 year before the item are vr12 , and after vr 14 and vr 16 , i lost so many rare set and this team really have issue to balance this game you never know what is coming next so , i stay purple and use 3 stats rune so much cheaper

Caligamy_ESO · October 2018

What a stupid update, for everyone except Heavy Armor builds.

"Minor/Major Evasion: These buffs no longer grant a passive chance to dodge. They now reduce the damage you take from area of effect attacks by 10/25%. All abilities that previously granted Minor or Major Evasion have been converted to this new effect, and the Blade Cloak ability now grants Major Evasion.

This change affects the abilities Blur, Evasion, Deceptive Predator, Gossamer, Grace of Gloom, Adept Rider, Hist Bark, and Spectre’s Eye.

As noted above, we spent time fixing issues with dodge, with the goal of making sure that you only dodge abilities/projectiles when you are actually actively dodging. Passive dodge goes against that, so we removed it from the game."

Tava's Favor - For Nightblades &amp; Medium armor users ONLY! (NOT ANYMORE!)

Tava's Favor - For Nightblades & Medium armor users ONLY! (NOT ANYMORE!)