But why would you want everybody to play less convinient game because of your personal struggles with pvp?:)

@DDuke

If you agreed to duel me as offered, by now you’d have accepted that you’re bad, apologized and, finally relaxed:)

But instead you’re throwing a temper tantrum. I feel for you.

Don't ban add-ons, just restrict them from interacting with the game world. Allow anyone to alter their u.i. whenever and however they want, but allowing add-ons to do things like swap gear or show hidden players or anything that interacts "physically needs to go.

This thread comes from the clever axch need, because people were using add-ons that swap gear instantly to proc c.a. out of combat, swap back into hundings,spriggans and then engaging.

It was a b.s. playstyle and gave a super advantage to people bit even wearing c.a. except for < 1 second before stealth burst.

Skander wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

PROFIT!?!

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Dorrino wrote: »

As always these discussions can be summarized in ‘people who lack skill to attack aware targets, cry for changes to make their targets unaware’:)

but isn't the games design for them to be unaware? Instead you're allowing players a way to get around the way the game is meant for

PocketAces13xb wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

As always these discussions can be summarized in ‘people who lack skill to attack aware targets, cry for changes to make their targets unaware’:)

but isn't the games design for them to be unaware? Instead you're allowing players a way to get around the way the game is meant for

We can only deduce 'the way the game was designed to do" from whatever is available in the game. This is our only source of information and inference.

The game UI API provides the info for my addon. Consequently this is the way the game is designed to work.

Alternatively we're stepping on a really slippery road of cherry-picking. As in for instance 'let's disregard UI functions when determining the "true" design of the game". I don't see this approach justifiable.

We might want to propose to redesign the game, so these API functions won't be available. But then we're talking about changing the design because we don't like it, instead of claiming these functions don't fit in the design.

Some people love this design, some hate.

I happen to be the one liking this design approach much more than alternatives based of unawareness. Because i find it more challenging and more fair at the same time.

But that's just me.

Someone will always find a way around any bans or limitations, that is human nature. ZOS need to restrict what can be 'seen' by add-ons to make them less effective at helping players.

You can always switch to console.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

As always these discussions can be summarized in ‘people who lack skill to attack aware targets, cry for changes to make their targets unaware’:)

OH common Miat ... Really ?

Ok , I will inform all the members of the U.S. Navy Seals , Force Recon , Rangers and any other special forces across the globe that they need to stop being skilless scrubs and inform their enemies before attacks . They're are obviously just no skill ganking scrubs irl and need to fight in the open to Git gud .

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That's the best comparison to eso pvp:D

Do we need to inform eso ppv players that they need to start with a year of boot camp and that ZOS owes them their salaries for the whole time they participated in pvp?:)

Additionally, should we consider other factions our enemies and try to make their gameplay experience as frustrating as possible?:)

Dorrino wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

As always these discussions can be summarized in ‘people who lack skill to attack aware targets, cry for changes to make their targets unaware’:)

OH common Miat ... Really ?

Ok , I will inform all the members of the U.S. Navy Seals , Force Recon , Rangers and any other special forces across the globe that they need to stop being skilless scrubs and inform their enemies before attacks . They're are obviously just no skill ganking scrubs irl and need to fight in the open to Git gud .

[Sarcastic Font/]

That's the best comparison to eso pvp:D

Do we need to inform eso ppv players that they need to start with a year of boot camp and that ZOS owes them their salaries for the whole time they participated in pvp?:)

Additionally, should we consider other factions our enemies and try to make their gameplay experience as frustrating as possible?:)

What are you a British soldier from 1776 ? Raising your firsts at those dishonorable new Americans that won't line up for a proper battle ? lol just

On a final note Miat , you are a min/max player and design your builds to have the least amount of flaws . You play the meta for your class . Meta meaning Most . Efficient . Tactic . Available . The game comes with stealth which has what you call a unfair advantage which is meta , but some how build for the most efficiency still , but also gimping yourself to not use stealth over a moral issue . All while telling people your addon that removes some stealth attacks is fine and anyone that thinks differently just has a moral issue with what the API already provides . I like you as a person your train of thought in gaming goes right into a gorge sometimes .

Also I should get some form of a run on sentence award for this .

Dorrino wrote: »

As always these discussions can be summarized in ‘people who lack skill to attack aware targets, cry for changes to make their targets unaware’:)

LOL. You sound like a crazy megalomaniac scientist. You're just a dedicated coder and player, and clearly being empowered by ZOS to completely disrupt an intended feature (stealth) and forcing the player base to download your work has made you lose it.
It's always the case, scientists never take a step back to look at the ethical consequences of their work. They'll build a new assault or nuclear weapon because they can and always think very high of themselves.

Your addon has corrupted the way PvP was intended to be played.
It's a fact.
You can't see it because you're proud of your work.
But it's the case, mate.

And it's entirely ZOS fault.

Feanor wrote: »

Rejoice. When Miat's gets purged of the functionality that caused so much rage there will be only 99,000 other things left to complain about. The forum warriors are not in danger therefore that there might be a sudden shortage of QQ. Everyone can be totally happy that Cyrodiil is chest and exploit free then. Isn't that nice!

Ha. I would like to have your optimism. Given the response + API changes ~8 months ago and overall lack of any other reaction till now, the most probable change (other than stating no change is needed) is removal of stealth notifications.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

On a final note Miat , you are a min/max player and design your builds to have the least amount of flaws . You play the meta for your class . Meta meaning Most . Efficient . Tactic . Available . The game comes with stealth which has what you call a unfair advantage which is meta , but some how build for the most efficiency still , but also gimping yourself to not use stealth over a moral issue . All while telling people your addon that removes some stealth attacks is fine and anyone that thinks differently just has a moral issue with what the API already provides . I like you as a person your train of thought in gaming goes right into a gorge sometimes .

Also I should get some form of a run on sentence award for this .

And the said gorge is what exactly?:)

I've been told 'the game is designed like that'. At the same time it's quite easy to show that the game is not designed like that something.

The moral stance is all that we got, when a rational preference is unavailable.

I don't judge the way other people prefer to play. It's up to them. But i don't see how being oblivious what kind of gameplay the unawareness promotes can help the discussion.

If i ganked i would be perfectly aware that i'm afraid to engage in a fair fight. I wouldn't think my skills as the player are adequate to the challenge. Basically i'd suck. While being fully aware that i suck. And the last thing that could come up my mind would be trying to justify my lack of proficiency with 'the game is designed this way' or a similar level of notions whose only purpose is to hide me being bad (or not good enough) in pvp.

It's fine to be bad. It's fine to refuse yourself with improvements by indulging in low skill level activity. It's not fine to promote your surrender as a desirable playstyle.

This is my stance on the issue.

Feanor wrote: »

@SodanTok

I don't care if they change it or not. I just hope that @Dorrino doesn't abandon the other real excellent features of the addon though if they did.

That's nothing to develop there. If the game stops providing some events you just won't see them. Nothing would need to be changed in the addon itself.