hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wow squishy builds put together by players that disregard defense and advocate glass cannons have an issue with survivability?!

Who the @#$& knew?!

/Sarcasm

Why don't you want it to be interruptible, are you afraid to lose your EZ mode?

Who the @#$& knew?!

/Sarcasm

Did you not play back when it was?

Cuz I did and news flash, it was a [snip] - but that's what you want isn't it?
[edited for profanity bypass]

nerf only stam ( all , set , cost skill , etc ) ,...Everything about magicka is O K !!!!

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.

My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)

EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.

Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.

Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.

If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...

EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.

You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?

I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?

Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?

It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.

stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.

I partially agree with your point (about the design).

I am not a zergling, so no stealth pot for me, i need speed pots. There's no way to block LOS in BG because if you camp LOS the enemy will just take the objective and win.

That's why it should be interruptible.

Lol, no reason? How about that would leave the skill complete useless, like you know, it was when that was the case. Only change the ult needs is to space the ticks a bit so it doesn't drain too much Stam. And that is it.

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.

My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)

EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.

Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.

Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.

If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...

EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.

You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?

I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?

Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?

It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.

stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.

I partially agree with your point (about the design).

I am not a zergling, so no stealth pot for me, i need speed pots. There's no way to block LOS in BG because if you camp LOS the enemy will just take the objective and win.

That's why it should be interruptible.

Lol, no reason? How about that would leave the skill complete useless, like you know, it was when that was the case. Only change the ult needs is to space the ticks a bit so it doesn't drain too much Stam. And that is it.

It is already useless against permablock and shield-stacking builds. Adjusting the stamina drain is nice, but it will be even more useless against permablock builds, unless that's how you want it to be. My proposal is to increase the damage tick through block and make it interruptible, so that it actually promotes skillful plays. I don't use that poorly designed skill, but if you just want to just reduce the stam it takes to block, I will take it, but I believe my proposal might be better for you.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.

My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)

EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.

Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.

Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.

Don't get me wrong. My point throughout the post is to advocate, that 18k stam is enough to block Soul Assault. Even it sounds like a sacrifice on dps potential, however imo a bit more stam not only helps on blocking but also one or two more chances to dodge roll or break free.

My point is to advocate that no ult should mean certain death to specific builds. Soul assault is often used midfight, when the other party might not be full on stamina, while still having full health. I shouldn't be 100% killed if there is no LoS around. Even better is when you have a curse+mages wrath ticking on you. It's just RIP man. No contest. Im a lucky basterd with cloak, but I feel bad for all the other specs out there who run medium and have to deal with some noob castingt this cheese ult on them. It takes virtually no skill or an actual setup to be effective with SA. Compared to the ease of use, the amount of punishment the opponent takes is just way out of line. Both in health loss and stam loss. Skills need to have a counter, and soul assault does not have any reasonable counter for medium armor builds in an open space without los to break it. And remember I am talking about it being applied midfight, with lots of other crap ticking on you.

Just imagine a stamplar/stamsorc in medium hammering away at a sorc, stam going below the 50% region. He gets the sorc to 5% health, then the sorc activates his shield, CC's you and proceeds to activate cheddar assault. It's RIP. Either you CC break and are nearly out of stamina, or you don't and instantly die. I know medium armor should be squishy, but they have different ways to survive. Being killed by SA feels bad. Because you know it took 0 skill by the opponent.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wow squishy builds put together by players that disregard defense and advocate glass cannons have an issue with survivability?!

Who the @#$& knew?!

/Sarcasm

Squishy players that disregard defense? At this point im not sure if you are serious? In your eyes, defense must mean running heavy armor+SnB or running shields. Stamina builds have different ways to defend themselves. So just because that kind of defense is not effective against SA, these people disregard defense? Give me a break, please.

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.

My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)

EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.

Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.

Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.

If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...

EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.

You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?

I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?

Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?

It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.

stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.

I partially agree with your point (about the design).

I am not a zergling, so no stealth pot for me, i need speed pots. There's no way to block LOS in BG because if you camp LOS the enemy will just take the objective and win.

That's why it should be interruptible.

Lol, no reason? How about that would leave the skill complete useless, like you know, it was when that was the case. Only change the ult needs is to space the ticks a bit so it doesn't drain too much Stam. And that is it.

It is already useless against permablock and shield-stacking builds. Adjusting the stamina drain is nice, but it will be even more useless against permablock builds, unless that's how you want it to be. My proposal is to increase the damage tick through block and make it interruptible, so that it actually promotes skillful plays. I don't use that poorly designed skill, but if you just want to just reduce the stam it takes to block, I will take it, but I believe my proposal might be better for you.

It's not useless on permablockers, and even if it were it doesn't really matters, you just target someone else. And you can't increase the dmge is far too strong now. Making interruptable will legit destroy the skill, or you don't remember. A single crushing shock will counter an ultimate, thats ridiculous.

Come, I will permablock, you can cast that beam of Doom on me all day long. That's the thing, you target someone else, but you shouldn't be able to delete a guy in medium armor by just one click of button (by deleting his stam pool). It was useless not just because of the interrupt, but because its damage was lower, it could be purged, caster could be CC'd and people could just cloak away instantly. Jesus Beam has always been interruptible, so no, the skills won't be destroyed if tweaked properly. I would rather have that ability to deal more damage on me but leave me a way to counter it than to have hold block with my bow and helplessly look at my precious stam pool draining away.

You can make it immune to crushing shock so that only bash can interrupt it.

pieratsos wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.

My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)

EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.

Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.

Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.

If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...

EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.

You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?

I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?

Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?

It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.

stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.

I partially agree with your point (about the design).

I am not a zergling, so no stealth pot for me, i need speed pots. There's no way to block LOS in BG because if you camp LOS the enemy will just take the objective and win.

That's why it should be interruptible.

Lol, no reason? How about that would leave the skill complete useless, like you know, it was when that was the case. Only change the ult needs is to space the ticks a bit so it doesn't drain too much Stam. And that is it.

It is already useless against permablock and shield-stacking builds. Adjusting the stamina drain is nice, but it will be even more useless against permablock builds, unless that's how you want it to be. My proposal is to increase the damage tick through block and make it interruptible, so that it actually promotes skillful plays. I don't use that poorly designed skill, but if you just want to just reduce the stam it takes to block, I will take it, but I believe my proposal might be better for you.

It's not useless on permablockers, and even if it were it doesn't really matters, you just target someone else. And you can't increase the dmge is far too strong now. Making interruptable will legit destroy the skill, or you don't remember. A single crushing shock will counter an ultimate, thats ridiculous.

You dont remember either. If you did, then you would know that interrupt wasnt the only thing that was changed.

And no its absolutely not ridiculous. Thats called skill. Something u are unfamiliar with. A lot of abilities, ults in the game can be completely countered by one skill/mechanic. That doesnt make them useless.

The interrupt change was the only part discussed, sure I could've listed other non-relevant information too

Los doesnt work in open world environment.
Theres also a slow attached to it. So unless ur standing right next to something to LoS this is not a viable defense at all.

Blocking in medium armor with snb with 1 vigor and 1 shrooms and rally active gets me drained of stats - with my backbar snb also being reactive 5 piece jewels/wep/shield.

Undodgable

Cant interupt.

Only 1 class with a true stam heal.

It may not be OP but its overperforming on certain builds (not only sorc) and because stam build dont have a viable shield, its pretty much a garanteed kill in half of cyros environment, bc all of our previous forms of mitigations vs this skill was removed.

This is also not a case of rock/paper/scissors because it applies to nearly all stam builds across nearly all classes.

On top of this, the 3 classes this ability is mostful on also have hard ccs. So any player worth his salt will force u to break free once or twice, possibly have to roll dodge as well, and then go for the SS - no stam = dead.
And hitting 2 buttons for an instant, easy kill =/= skill

Tonnopesce wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Gothren wrote: »

nothing wrong with soul assault. easy to counter. not even one of the best ultimates. l2p please.

They removed counters to soul assault. It definitely overperforms in non-cp PVP.

So you're saying they removed block? Okay then

No but a single Soul assault will drain 30 k stamina in seconds

Then why do I have zero trouble blocking this in a magDK with 15k stam?

Not saying Soul Assault can't be effective -- I 2-3 shot people on magblade ganker with it. Said magblade is also toast if you catch her because I failed to detect your friend in stealth. It's a fair trade-off.

First of all 15k stamina is a lot,
Second dk's have buildt in block cost reduction and probably you are using s&b like 90% of the dk's.
A squishy magika set up with 10-14k stamina is going to suffer from it, honestly is not a problem for me con usually i break los to counter Soul assault.

15k stamina is not a lot for a PvP magDK. Below about 14k you just don't have enough for CC breaking and blocking and the occasional dodge. But I run 11k stam on my magplar and don't have a problem with SA either. I usually just kill the person while they are casting it, because most of the time they are squishies. There are very few builds that run really strong SAs or time them properly. It just makes people panic.

I am FAR more likely to die to a well-timed Dawnbreaker, and DB doesn't need to be nerfed either.

SA is the counter to dodge-dodge-dodge-miss-dodge. I get that people don't like that there are hard counters. There's an entire class that counters magDK. But the game seems to be headed more toward rock-paper-scissors each patch.

FakeFox wrote: »

Get soul assaulted -> kill the caster while he is stuck in it.

Honestly, it's risky to use and has good counterplay, I don't see the problem.

Pretty much this. I switch to SA when I see a bunch of uncoordinated groups hitting faction areas repeatedly. At the same time, I also leave myself open to be hit from that one character who remembers me, and responds effectively to take me out. But even so, it's worth it.

But yeah, SA doesn't need to be nerfed. It's also good for PvE, in my experiences anyway.

It seems as if the requests for nerfing are up when ZOS is already doing it. I'm a little confused when players request nerfing on ultimates. I've never had a problem with them, or should I say, I had problems with them...but that was because I wasn't paying attention to what the players were doing, and second, I didn't run with a smart group that knew mechanics. Because I'll admit, I don't know everything and always ask in chat about stuff.