No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t hate zergs.

I just don´t enjoy that "bring more people" has no counterplay.

Another factor here is IC. When one of those 500 player "gaming organization" guilds has an IC sewer night, it puts their entire faction in a bad position.

Not really, I can tell you exactly what happens when guilds like invictus/dreadlords go to IC to "farm" with 10-15 ppl: they get crap TV and leave within 20-30 min every single time. Those groups get really sloppy about district control and our small groups split up and take every single district other than the one they're in as they fight the boss. They practically never have ppl that break off to try and contest things with us because they are scared to death of us farming them - it's why they don't go into IC without 10+ ppl to begin with.

These are the ppl that will stand on their flag with 10 ppl and refuse to come off it to fight 3 of us. I've learned to not bother trying to get a couple more ppl in grp to go head to head with them, because invariably by the time we're ready those groups have already given up on their farm and left.

So no they don't really impact overland much with their absence.

Would love to see these mythical 10+ Invictus IC groups.

Like really tho, when the hell are we in IC? lmao

Last time I went in there, there was like 5 people with us xD And that was last week, before that I think barely any of us have gone in since Christmas.

And, believe me, no one is scared to death of fighting any of you all.

LOL. Suuuuure.

Kirsi is probably observing that whenever we see Invictus tabards in IC, it's orbiting or inside said amount of EP. I doubt it's that many Invictus alone. I should know, I practically live there when I play ESO.

Whether some members go in there often or not, and I'm not even sure who does because it's that rare, it's not a guild thing that anyone does normally. So don't sit there and act like we run guild events in IC, when most of us don't even play unless it's our raid nights right now, and that's always in Cyrodiil.

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I don´t hate zergs.

I just don´t enjoy that "bring more people" has no counterplay.

Another factor here is IC. When one of those 500 player "gaming organization" guilds has an IC sewer night, it puts their entire faction in a bad position.

Not really, I can tell you exactly what happens when guilds like invictus/dreadlords go to IC to "farm" with 10-15 ppl: they get crap TV and leave within 20-30 min every single time. Those groups get really sloppy about district control and our small groups split up and take every single district other than the one they're in as they fight the boss. They practically never have ppl that break off to try and contest things with us because they are scared to death of us farming them - it's why they don't go into IC without 10+ ppl to begin with.

These are the ppl that will stand on their flag with 10 ppl and refuse to come off it to fight 3 of us. I've learned to not bother trying to get a couple more ppl in grp to go head to head with them, because invariably by the time we're ready those groups have already given up on their farm and left.

So no they don't really impact overland much with their absence.

Would love to see these mythical 10+ Invictus IC groups.

Like really tho, when the hell are we in IC? lmao

Last time I went in there, there was like 5 people with us xD And that was last week, before that I think barely any of us have gone in since Christmas.

And, believe me, no one is scared to death of fighting any of you all.

LOL. Suuuuure.

Kirsi is probably observing that whenever we see Invictus tabards in IC, it's orbiting or inside said amount of EP. I doubt it's that many Invictus alone. I should know, I practically live there when I play ESO.

Whether some members go in there often or not, and I'm not even sure who does because it's that rare, it's not a guild thing that anyone does normally. So don't sit there and act like we run guild events in IC, when most of us don't even play unless it's our raid nights right now, and that's always in Cyrodiil.

I don't think it's a guild thing at all. I never said that.

Right, you didn't say that, but Kirsi directly said Invictus groups of 10-15. No, that doesn't happen, and if it ever has, it was an extreme rarity and I wasn't here for it, so can't speak on it.

But for the overall point, most of us aren't even on enough to for a 10-15 man to farm IC, and that's bad TV, so sort of a waste of time

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

And I've just learned from Vort that apparently Kirsi is VE's resident hardcasting frag Reactive Sorc. Can confirm we aren't worried about that farming us.

You're not worried because you're always stacked in IC. I solo IC 90% of the time. I know stacks when I see'em. Also, Kirsi doesn't wear Reactive lol.

mhmm like I said I'd love to see these Invictus "stacks" in IC. If you ever see me in a group of more than 5 down there then please call a Doctor as I've had an aneurysm because there's certainly no point to farming stones with more than 4-5 people.

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

And I've just learned from Vort that apparently Kirsi is VE's resident hardcasting frag Reactive Sorc. Can confirm we aren't worried about that farming us.

You're not worried because you're always stacked in IC. I solo IC 90% of the time. I know stacks when I see'em. Also, Kirsi doesn't wear Reactive lol.

mhmm like I said I'd love to see these Invictus "stacks" in IC. If you ever see me in a group of more than 5 down there then please call a Doctor as I've had an aneurysm because there's certainly no point to farming stones with more than 4-5 people.

Not 10+ of you. But definitely some of you, tabards included, waist high in EP stacks. Not really a difference when it's usually 2 or 3 of us and you still won't leave your flag to fight lol.

Whats your character name in game?

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

And I've just learned from Vort that apparently Kirsi is VE's resident hardcasting frag Reactive Sorc. Can confirm we aren't worried about that farming us.

You're not worried because you're always stacked in IC. I solo IC 90% of the time. I know stacks when I see'em. Also, Kirsi doesn't wear Reactive lol.

mhmm like I said I'd love to see these Invictus "stacks" in IC. If you ever see me in a group of more than 5 down there then please call a Doctor as I've had an aneurysm because there's certainly no point to farming stones with more than 4-5 people.

Not 10+ of you. But definitely some of you, tabards included, waist high in EP stacks. Not really a difference when it's usually 2 or 3 of us and you still won't leave your flag to fight lol.

Whats your character name in game?

I proctate things

I don't remember seeing you in IC anytime recently so I can't really think of a specific instance that you might be referring to. Dunno what to tell you man. I know I wouldn't farm IC with more than 4-5 and I think most of my guildies would agree with me.

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

No_True_Scotsman wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

And I've just learned from Vort that apparently Kirsi is VE's resident hardcasting frag Reactive Sorc. Can confirm we aren't worried about that farming us.

You're not worried because you're always stacked in IC. I solo IC 90% of the time. I know stacks when I see'em. Also, Kirsi doesn't wear Reactive lol.

mhmm like I said I'd love to see these Invictus "stacks" in IC. If you ever see me in a group of more than 5 down there then please call a Doctor as I've had an aneurysm because there's certainly no point to farming stones with more than 4-5 people.

Not 10+ of you. But definitely some of you, tabards included, waist high in EP stacks. Not really a difference when it's usually 2 or 3 of us and you still won't leave your flag to fight lol.

Whats your character name in game?

I proctate things

I don't remember seeing you in IC anytime recently so I can't really think of a specific instance that you might be referring to. Dunno what to tell you man. I know I wouldn't farm IC with more than 4-5 and I think most of my guildies would agree with me.

I see Invictus tabards from time to time. I'm there a whole lot when I'm on, but I haven't been playing much lately for other games out that are taking up my time. But before all these new games, I was in IC an awful lot and most of my PvP interactions with Invictus were trying to fish them out of 10+ other EP's. It's probably not planned, but it still happens.

The sorc might have been a bit inciting, but it is pretty lame when it's literally just him and I staring down 5x our number of EP and they are on that flag pole like me at work or something.

The way I see it, The Sorc dragged a forum group onto you and then streaked away, leaving you to fend for yourself! I know that feel

Hai, the way some of you are reacting so defensively to my comment, are you sure you aren't the ones in reactive armor?

I just referenced what I've seen from 6 months of running in IC on an almost nightly basis. If we're gona get nit picky, I can dissect it further; Dreadlords routinely shows up w/ ~15 ppl, the only other large group on red I see with any regularity has ppl w/ Invictus tabbards and seems to top out ~8-10 ppl. If you're telling me that only 5 of them are Invictus, fair enough, that matches the number of tabbards I tend to see. But you sure could have fooled me w/, as Mr. I'm Not Really A Dog mentioned, the way there's 10 reds stacked on a flag refusing to come off it - expecting the 2 or 3 of us to go on the flag to fight them + the guards.

Kilandros wrote: »

And I've just learned from Vort that apparently Kirsi is VE's resident hardcasting frag Reactive Sorc. Can confirm we aren't worried about that farming us.

If we're gona talk about my build (I mean, I guess???), Reactive is just 1 of 5 DW setups I use. If you actually tested the numbers as I have, it's not actually that bad: Frags for instance hits (hits, not tooltip) 942 less dmg on players compared to a standard build. On the flip side, you gain stam regen, 5k health and reactive proc. That makes it a nice option for raid play, and works especially well for an Encase build.

Here's another thing you probably didn't know, just being in a Negate procs the Reactive Armor bonus. Stacking that + Pirate Skele + Undeath gives 68.15% dmg mitigation on top of my shields. Are my Frags gona hit like Pixysticks reborn? No, but I'm fine with that since I'm not the one equating 'moar dps' with victory.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

A coordinated, disciplined large group is not going to chase squirrels unless you poke them, or have a history of doing so. These guys are focused on the map or other big groups. I don't think most small scalers have a problem with these groups.

It's the "zerglings," the guys who rip like tissue paper if you catch them alone but will happily zerg you down with 10x the numbers and then teabag/rage whisper their superiority that give "zergs" a bad name.

This.

Exactly, I'm reminded of a situation we had with Aenlir and I believe Mojican sometime last year. We were running a full 24 and were dealing with about 2 and a half raids of pact militia at the Ales mine, someone in group saw Aenlir and started to chase them. Steve said its only 2, leave them be. A couple minutes later we had PM bunched up and were moving in for our bomb, next thing you know Aenlir and whoever he was with had cold fire siege set up on us, it didn't kill us and we wiped PM anyway but it created a very serious annoyance and the 2 of them were hunted down. After that we had sort of an unofficial agreement, we won't zerg you down if you don't make yourself a problem.

Then you get people like "the top 10 NB NA" who I will actively hunt down with 20 people all day long for being a trash can of a human being.

With the destro ult bomb meta it's worse. 2-3 good players bombing you when your fighting another raid can do real damage.

What I like the best are large scale battles made up of small groups. Not enough organization to steamroll one side but enough people to make it exciting.

It's quite the spectacle...if the FPS could keep up. Other than that, it's kinda cool (when you also are in a group.)