No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
"everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto." - Though there was a major imbalance between magicka and stamina builds, vampirism was not as prevalent in 1.5 as this comment makes it appear, at least not on the EU server. Vampirism synergized very well with magicka DK builds, which in turn were very commonplace due to several reasons, including low skill requirements for a decent level of survivability and high effectiveness when fighting many unexperienced players at once. Though vampirism could be useful on all classes, it also had it's downsides. I certainly wasn't in the majority as a vampire among Sorcerers, mainly using it for access to Clouding Swarm as a defensive ability.you guys forgot about how Critical Hits governed Ulti regen. and how a DK emp could drop a Standard of Super Might every 3-5 seconds.
The dynamic ultimate system wasn't perfect, but we had tons of feedback about how to improve it, rather than scrap it atogether and introduce a static one in it's place. As for ultimate spamming, that just didn't happen if your group didn't stack up to be hit all at once or died like flies, feeding ultimate to the enemy. And if you could force the enemy into defense, their ult regen would be significantly reduced as well.
I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
Are you sure? Let's break it down:
- Suggestion that "nostalgia is fueling a lot of this" -> accusation of bias, i.e. ad hominem argument on the basis of evidence to be provided in the post. If evidence will not be provided, it is a fallacy.
- Same goes for accusation in the last sentence, "They want God mode back"
No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
Are you sure? Let's break it down:
- Suggestion that "nostalgia is fueling a lot of this" -> accusation of bias, i.e. ad hominem argument on the basis of evidence to be provided in the post. If evidence will not be provided, it is a fallacy.
- Same goes for accusation in the last sentence, "They want God mode back"
And ad hominem argument would be stating the arguments of those people are fallacious because of nostalgia. He's not saying they're wrong. He's accusing them of bias. That is ad hominem, i.e. an accusation, but it is not an ad hominem argument because he's not refuting any argument because of the qualities of the interlocutor.
"They want God mode back" is not a caricature of any argument. Suggesting that it is is pretty silly, actually.
In fact I don't think that post was arguing against anything in specific. You can't just throw out rhetoric buzzwords and expect them to stick.
No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
Are you sure? Let's break it down:
- Suggestion that "nostalgia is fueling a lot of this" -> accusation of bias, i.e. ad hominem argument on the basis of evidence to be provided in the post. If evidence will not be provided, it is a fallacy.
- Same goes for accusation in the last sentence, "They want God mode back"
And ad hominem argument would be stating the arguments of those people are fallacious because of nostalgia. He's not saying they're wrong. He's accusing them of bias. That is ad hominem, i.e. an accusation, but it is not an ad hominem argument because he's not refuting any argument because of the qualities of the interlocutor.
"They want God mode back" is not a caricature of any argument. Suggesting that it is is pretty silly, actually.
In fact I don't think that post was arguing against anything in specific. You can't just throw out rhetoric buzzwords and expect them to stick.
He literally wrote "I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this". If "this" is people's arguments why they think 1.5 was preferable to the current update, that does mean their arguments do not hold significant argumentational power (who's mixing that up with fallacious now?). And yes, ability to argue with as little bias as possible is a personal quality subjectible to ad hominem arguments. Which in turn are not necessarily fallacious if there were clear instances of the accused people's arguments being influenced by bias - which have yet to be pointed out.
I also never stated that "They want God mode back" were a strawman argument. Misrepresenting concerns about inflated resources as just high regen builds that lack other stats, then outlining why such a build is not a problem with other, equally or more powerful builds around is, however.
I think I've made my point clear enough. Make of it what you will.
Edit: Just saw you updated your last post. Whatever.
No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
Are you sure? Let's break it down:
- Suggestion that "nostalgia is fueling a lot of this" -> accusation of bias, i.e. ad hominem argument on the basis of evidence to be provided in the post. If evidence will not be provided, it is a fallacy.
- Same goes for accusation in the last sentence, "They want God mode back"
And ad hominem argument would be stating the arguments of those people are fallacious because of nostalgia. He's not saying they're wrong. He's accusing them of bias. That is ad hominem, i.e. an accusation, but it is not an ad hominem argument because he's not refuting any argument because of the qualities of the interlocutor.
"They want God mode back" is not a caricature of any argument. Suggesting that it is is pretty silly, actually.
In fact I don't think that post was arguing against anything in specific. You can't just throw out rhetoric buzzwords and expect them to stick.
He literally wrote "I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this". If "this" is people's arguments why they think 1.5 was preferable to the current update, that does mean their arguments do not hold significant argumentational power (who's mixing that up with fallacious now?). And yes, ability to argue with as little bias as possible is a personal quality subjectible to ad hominem arguments. Which in turn are not necessarily fallacious if there were clear instances of the accused people's arguments being influenced by bias - which have yet to be pointed out.
I also never stated that "They want God mode back" were a strawman argument. Misrepresenting concerns about inflated resources as just high regen builds that lack other stats, then outlining why such a build is not a problem with other, equally or more powerful builds around is, however.
I think I've made my point clear enough. Make of it what you will.
Edit: Just saw you updated your last post. Whatever.
No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.
There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.
Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.
EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.
This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.
Uh. No where did he create a caricature of anyone's argument then misrepresent the that caricature as the actual argument, nor did he suggest someone's argument is wrong due to personal qualities. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their arguments are fallacious . They might be wrong, perhaps, but not fallacious. Stop rhetoric buzzwords 2017.
Are you sure? Let's break it down:
- Suggestion that "nostalgia is fueling a lot of this" -> accusation of bias, i.e. ad hominem argument on the basis of evidence to be provided in the post. If evidence will not be provided, it is a fallacy.
- Same goes for accusation in the last sentence, "They want God mode back"
And ad hominem argument would be stating the arguments of those people are fallacious because of nostalgia. He's not saying they're wrong. He's accusing them of bias. That is ad hominem, i.e. an accusation, but it is not an ad hominem argument because he's not refuting any argument because of the qualities of the interlocutor.
"They want God mode back" is not a caricature of any argument. Suggesting that it is is pretty silly, actually.
In fact I don't think that post was arguing against anything in specific. You can't just throw out rhetoric buzzwords and expect them to stick.
He literally wrote "I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this". If "this" is people's arguments why they think 1.5 was preferable to the current update, that does mean their arguments do not hold significant argumentational power (who's mixing that up with fallacious now?). And yes, ability to argue with as little bias as possible is a personal quality subjectible to ad hominem arguments. Which in turn are not necessarily fallacious if there were clear instances of the accused people's arguments being influenced by bias - which have yet to be pointed out.
I also never stated that "They want God mode back" were a strawman argument. Misrepresenting concerns about inflated resources as just high regen builds that lack other stats, then outlining why such a build is not a problem with other, equally or more powerful builds around is, however.
I think I've made my point clear enough. Make of it what you will.
Edit: Just saw you updated your last post. Whatever.
Aruging is pointless really. Zos will never ever bring back 1.0-1.5 so you can reminisce all you want about the good ol' days, but to what end?
Aruging is pointless really. Zos will never ever bring back 1.0-1.5 so you can reminisce all you want about the good ol' days, but to what end?
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Atropos? Fixate and Nicolle? Blade Boques? Pixy Stix? Teapot? Columba? Lowbei? Publius Scipio? Moon PiE? WRX? Zergbad (The Now) Exterminatored? Brizz and Zazebra's romance? Ezareth? All the guilds that lasted only 4 months? The Shoddy Cast elf brothers? Angry Joe? Anonymous Elf? Crystalized? Senior Fluffykins? Brandon South Georgia and EG? Skaffa and Murder Thumbs eloping in secret?
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Atropos? Fixate and Nicolle? Blade Boques? Pixy Stix? Teapot? Columba? Lowbei? Publius Scipio? Moon PiE? WRX? Zergbad (The Now) Exterminatored? Brizz and Zazebra's romance? Ezareth? All the guilds that lasted only 4 months? The Shoddy Cast elf brothers? Angry Joe? Anonymous Elf? Crystalized? Senior Fluffykins? Brandon South Georgia and EG? Skaffa and Murder Thumbs eloping in secret?
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I enjoyed the performance back then but I did not enjoy the pulse trains and light armor vamp DK invasion Overlords . They ruled with Iron Fists and a bazillion bat ultimates . I remember testing 1.6 and melting the Test Center server playing with the Devs . I know we were in for the lag of a lifetime . The EP of Thornblade were just one big ball of impulse that made walls repairable under attack . I do not share the same rose lenses for those times .
I miss the first 3 weeks of launch where everyone was confused and the battles were bigger then life . Then the Bot Armies invaded and ZoS made some changes to the code and a patch to fix lighting came out and it all went downhill from there performance wise . Server pops were lowered . Deer were evacuated . Torchbugs were eradicated from the swamps and forests . It was the strangest MMO experience I had ever seen to try and fix the lag . I could of swore they would just do a rollback before all that strange removal and pop cap limit stuff but no . They really kept going in that direction ... So weird . Sometimes it doesn't even feel like the same game I preordered but a watered down version of this really big spectacular war zone called Cyrodiil .
Anyways I forgot what else I was going to say . Something about getting back to the launch feeling I think .
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Atropos? Fixate and Nicolle? Blade Boques? Pixy Stix? Teapot? Columba? Lowbei? Publius Scipio? Moon PiE? WRX? Zergbad (The Now) Exterminatored? Brizz and Zazebra's romance? Ezareth? All the guilds that lasted only 4 months? The Shoddy Cast elf brothers? Angry Joe? Anonymous Elf? Crystalized? Senior Fluffykins? Brandon South Georgia and EG? Skaffa and Murder Thumbs eloping in secret?
this was the most epic name drop ever. you win the thread.
Night mistress, zazeer, the wizard daniel deserve special mention
I think pvp today is more accessible to pvp then. i think guys like Murder Thumbs shouldnt really be mentioned, he exploited an OP meta early in the game cycle and left the game before anyone could really care. The Wizard Daniel however, owned Trueflame and represented DC hard for a long time with Chuck Norris. but its funny, just like in real life, each faction has its heroes. . .
Publius Scipio has always been here though. since day one. i remember thinking to myself, "man this guy plays all the time but hes still V12???" always providing that supportive extra "umph" just when DC needed it. Publius, youre the hero of the covenant and you should wear that title proudly.
The balance in 1.0 - 1.5 was only good if you were a mag DK fighting another mag DK, otherwise it was absolute cancer. I honestly cannot comprehend how people defend 1.0 - 1.5.
PandaIsAPotato wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »PandaIsAPotato wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »PandaIsAPotato wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Nothing like walking around Cyrodiil minding my own business then bam, "Methuselah has turned you into a fine pink mist for 56k with Dawnbreaker of Smiting!" That was like, more than double my HP and in 7 nirnhoned.
Everyone complained about this but I never had this problem...
Must have been nice ... being a sorc ... having 40k shields on demand. Sounds balanced
Bruh... I played NB and DK, my sorc didn't even exist back then, and it no longer exists thanks to Wrobel warriors and their hammer of bananner.
Well super high, uncapped CP emperor Dawnbreakers tend to hurt.
Nah, they tickle. Gotta use exploits in your favor man, can't just rely on Nirn to protect yourself. Get out dem l337 blinxey sploits and tank hordes of pugs whilst simultaneously murdering them. Meth wasn't even a blip on my radar in 1.6 of being a scary foe to fight, I got killed more to Ballista-Fu than I did actual people. Can't count the number of times people placed down siege in 1.6 to kill me. I blame Rylana for it, always tried to lure me around corners into siege, he got Qaevir like that once... Poor Qaevir.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Atropos? Fixate and Nicolle? Blade Boques? Pixy Stix? Teapot? Columba? Lowbei? Publius Scipio? Moon PiE? WRX? Zergbad (The Now) Exterminatored? Brizz and Zazebra's romance? Ezareth? All the guilds that lasted only 4 months? The Shoddy Cast elf brothers? Angry Joe? Anonymous Elf? Crystalized? Senior Fluffykins? Brandon South Georgia and EG? Skaffa and Murder Thumbs eloping in secret?
this was the most epic name drop ever. you win the thread.
Night mistress, zazeer, the wizard daniel deserve special mention
I think pvp today is more accessible to pvp then. i think guys like Murder Thumbs shouldnt really be mentioned, he exploited an OP meta early in the game cycle and left the game before anyone could really care. The Wizard Daniel however, owned Trueflame and represented DC hard for a long time with Chuck Norris. but its funny, just like in real life, each faction has its heroes. . .
Publius Scipio has always been here though. since day one. i remember thinking to myself, "man this guy plays all the time but hes still V12???" always providing that supportive extra "umph" just when DC needed it. Publius, youre the hero of the covenant and you should wear that title proudly.
Thanks but the power and every triumph of the COVENANT belongs to all those loyal to the BLUE BANNER and who fight collectively "FOR THE MAP" in Cyrodiil. Champions like Fengrush whose finger prints will be found on Morrowind itself. Minno, Rinaldo Gandalphi, Tamerlin etc, etc, etc have all stood their ground, climbed over the stone rubble of keep wall breaches, charged through the threshold of once imposing but now splintered and ripped apart keep doors.... COVENANT soldiers give everything to raise BLUE flags all over Cyrodiil.
WRX (not to be confused with Subaru) the once feared elf commander of the elven cult known as Decibel was torn between retirement or continuing his campaign against the free people of Tamriel. So a younger Scipio helped the elf come to a decision! I placed him in a digital wheelchair and he was carted off to a nice home for elderly elves in sunny Auridon.
But no need to feel bad. Everyone's favorite female elf (and dead ringer to play Tinkerbell in a live action movie remake of Peter Pan) Winnamae who spent much of her time lusting over WRX but he was too hell bent on Decibel domination that he never noticed or cared, finally got what she wanted. She got WRX all to herself. When Decibel disbanded she went to the best nursing school in Alik'r, graduated top of her class, and became WRX's personal nurse.Happy endings do happen in Tamriel.
Even vicious Pact soldier Darklord Tiberius, a vicious, violent, bloody butcher of a man in his time, found forgiveness and was reborn as Infinite Loadscreens within the COVENANT.
Long live Tamriel.