Firerock2 wrote: »

It had its problems, but I had much more fun. If there was a 1.5 version of this game that I had to pay extra money to play, I would.


1.6 was cancer, it was the darkest time in eso history. DB patch was the most balanced post 1.5

You meant TG?

DB was horrible

Leandor wrote: »

Yes, I played back then. Yes, I preferred it back then, but for different reasons than most.

I prefer the old times, because it was a different type of community back then. There was the odd one out in between who tried to exploit the addmitedly poorer gameplay, but the majority of players just played the game.

Nowadays, no matter which campaign you join, there's always a bunch of ap flippers with zero interest in pvp. Or proctatos. Or 5-attacks-a-second turds.

Basically, pvp population is a bunch of exploiting, spineless and pathetic excuses for human beings, that justify anything with "because I can".

And that is the only reason why I lost interest in pvp.

well said

I enjoyed the performance back then I like the soft caps in fact I did not like 1.5, or beyond but back around 1.0 was good we had a few diverse builds, I had more fun did not care for the pulse trains or the broken game mechanics of stacking elemental wall and staking barrier a few other things but with a few tweaks it could have been far better than the crap we have now.

Games usually improve as they add features, this game has done nothing but go backwards after launch pvp keeps getting worse not better, pvp in the early days of the game even with it's problems to me better than today.

Other, I generally like a lot of things from both eras, and its be a waste for me to dream about past eras. The game is completely different, which is a huge indicator that the game is unstable. Dont get me wrong the game is tons of fun, but this year i came into work on a mission, that mission was changed completely, while i can roll with the punches, its not the mission i signed up for, and it feels like a lot of the work I did previously has been wiped away having no impact on the current mission.


Who wants to build their dream house only to find out when you are done, that codes have changed and your house is outdated, and light switches are no longer light switches. Your bathroom is now a linen closet and your garage is now your living room.

Rickter wrote: »

you guys forgot about how Critical Hits governed Ulti regen. and how a DK emp could drop a Standard of Super Might every 3-5 seconds.

The dynamic ultimate system wasn't perfect, but we had tons of feedback about how to improve it, rather than scrap it atogether and introduce a static one in it's place. As for ultimate spamming, that just didn't happen if your group didn't stack up to be hit all at once or died like flies, feeding ultimate to the enemy. And if you could force the enemy into defense, their ult regen would be significantly reduced as well.

WTB soft caps. And ground oils. Please.

Subversus wrote: »

Please tell me how fun it was to play a magdk and switch between spamming chosen ult and talons. You must've been a very good old school player, please tell me some of your stories.

I was a squishy vamp Sorc using a destro/resto setup and no damage shields beside Healing Ward. Aside from being useful in a group with my Absorption Field, I was in a very bad spot balance wise, having trouble with even mediocre magDKs (fire weakness and reflection of all my standard single target skills), but still preferred overall balance to 1.6. And 1.6, with the caveat of nirnhoned armor and no CP cap, had better balance than anything thereafter, imo.

I began playing in early 1.6, so I will abstain from voting in the poll.

In my opinion, Dark Brotherhood was the worst patch since i began playing in terms of balance, with heavy armor amd procs and stam classes being obscenely op and carrying some amusingly toxic and egotistical personalities.

However, I believe the game has been steadily improving in regards to both balance and playability since then, and I find the current balance the best I've ever seen in my time playing the game. I've been stubbornly optimistic all along the way that ZOS, a young gaming company, will get this right given enough time, and I'll continue to stick it out with them, playing underdog classes and sticking my nose into amateur balance discussions on these forums in the hopes that someone with influence will read and take away something of value.

They said this is the year of battlegrounds, a long-needed formal ranking system, and improving PvP performance. We're the priority, finally.

No, we don't need to go back to the days of impulse/bats for days. There are some elements of the old days I enjoyed a lot (ground oils?) but on the whole I think PvP is more dynamic and interesting now.

loki547 wrote: »

I think nostalgia is fueling a lot of this. There were so many broken things in those days, no build diversity, 1 Mag DK could wipe 10+ people easily, ground oils, streaking through 5 people and getting my Negate up instantly, perma bats, everyone a vamp in light armor, using 1h+shield, destro or resto.

There were also way more people playing back in those days. So you had your zerg fights on the map but you could also roam in a group of 4-5 and find other groups with similiar numbers. I only played on Wabbajack, which was the only real competitive server back then. I love when I see people with titles of Former Emp of Auriel's Bow or whatever, like 5 people on your server so easy to get Emp or even worse get it passed to you. People leaving the game because of lag killed small group play, not AOE caps.

Homestead is fun because of build diversity. Yea people can sustain forever, who cares. You can build for damage and kill them in 2 hits so they can have their sustain People can tank forever, good for them they can't damage you so ignore them. There's still a counter for everything. All this nostalgia about soft caps and 1.5 are from former Mag DK's that could leap into a keep and solo 10-20 players, not out of skill mind you, out of the brokenness of the class/game at the time. They want God mode back, sorry dudes ain't gonna happen.

EDIT: on my phone and clicked the wrong button, have played since open beta.

This is basically a collection of strawman arguments and ad hominem fallacies.

Accusations of especially high nostalgia fueled bias, highlighting the problems of the game at the time and downplaying the ones of today, trying to put anyone who disagrees in a neat little box to discredit them.
You even mix up facts, like, if one player, of whatever class, even if he was emp, killed "10+ people easily", those 10 were bad players. Or naked. In other words, the one player won because of his skill far exceeding that of his opponents.
Streaking through 5 people didn't get your Negate up instantly unless it nearly was already - there was a time when Streak had no AoE cap, so you could get it up instantly by streaking through a raid/zerg - but even that didn't change anything about the effectiveness of streaking through 5. Moreover, you didn't generate a lot of ultimate at all if your opponents just blocked.
By 1.5, vamp wasn't end-all-be-all either anymore, it was mostly still useful for DKs - and one of the things that made them so good at killing large amounts of clueless players - because that's what they were really good at, in a tough fight against skilled opponents, Templars or NBs (or NegateMonkeys) were at least as useful as DKs, if not more so.

As for today... I find build diversity to be pretty lacking compared to 1.6/1.7, I don't think it's a good thing if you can kill someone in two hits, a "tank" can still set up bursts with Backlash, heal his allies and never run out of resources.
Aside from what you mentioned, there are, of course, a couple of other balance problems, like poisons, proc sets, destro ult, low value of health etc.

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Yuke wrote: »

Where is the option for:

I played every patch but prefer 1.6?

I don't miss eating 50k dawn breakers to the face.

Nothing like walking around Cyrodiil minding my own business then bam, "Methuselah has turned you into a fine pink mist for 56k with Dawnbreaker of Smiting!" That was like, more than double my HP and in 7 nirnhoned.

Everyone complained about this but I never had this problem...

Must have been nice ... being a sorc ... having 40k shields on demand. Sounds balanced

Bruh... I played NB and DK, my sorc didn't even exist back then, and it no longer exists thanks to Wrobel warriors and their hammer of bananner.

Well super high, uncapped CP emperor Dawnbreakers tend to hurt.

Nah, they tickle. Gotta use exploits in your favor man, can't just rely on Nirn to protect yourself. Get out dem l337 blinxey sploits and tank hordes of pugs whilst simultaneously murdering them. Meth wasn't even a blip on my radar in 1.6 of being a scary foe to fight, I got killed more to Ballista-Fu than I did actual people. Can't count the number of times people placed down siege in 1.6 to kill me. I blame Rylana for it, always tried to lure me around corners into siege, he got Qaevir like that once... Poor Qaevir.