Did you play during 1.0 - 1.5? And did you prefer it to PvP in Homestead?

Crystelle

I'm honestly curious to what the consensus is.

Luigi_Vampa

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Yes, I preferred soft caps and dynamic ult gen from back then.

PenguinInACan

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

You can't really draw a comparison as easily as people tend to try. Dynamic ult gen and soft caps were great, for that version of PvP. If we just dropped in soft caps and dynamic ult gen in today's PvP world it would be infinite destro ult 20x worse than the infinite bats or banner every 2 seconds that we had in early Cyro.

When you get down to the "generations" of PvP you need to realize they are generations by design. One was that of soft caps and dynamic ult gen and different siege properties and skill metas. Then ZOZ said "we want something else" and *poof* we got CP and all of the fun that came with it. Then we got proc sets and some new metas came around. Players adapted and the way PvP was fought changed.

Nostalgia shouldn't play a factor in game performance. It just so happens that nostalgia means dynamic ult gen and softcaps in this case...which led to good server performance. BUT for some people, they started playing with CP and without dynamic ult gen...so their nostalgia might include shield breaker being BiS and knowing how mist form "works" with certain sets. (these are just examples of broken things...not a list of why PvP is better now than before 1.5

Sanct16

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Give back dynamic ult

PS: How do the last 2 poll options even make sense?

No_True_Scotsman

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

PenguinInACan wrote: »

You can't really draw a comparison as easily as people tend to try. Dynamic ult gen and soft caps were great, for that version of PvP. If we just dropped in soft caps and dynamic ult gen in today's PvP world it would be infinite destro ult 20x worse than the infinite bats or banner every 2 seconds that we had in early Cyro.

When you get down to the "generations" of PvP you need to realize they are generations by design. One was that of soft caps and dynamic ult gen and different siege properties and skill metas. Then ZOZ said "we want something else" and *poof* we got CP and all of the fun that came with it. Then we got proc sets and some new metas came around. Players adapted and the way PvP was fought changed.

Nostalgia shouldn't play a factor in game performance. It just so happens that nostalgia means dynamic ult gen and softcaps in this case...which led to good server performance. BUT for some people, they started playing with CP and without dynamic ult gen...so their nostalgia might include shield breaker being BiS and knowing how mist form "works" with certain sets. (these are just examples of broken things...not a list of why PvP is better now than before 1.5

This is true. The game has been designed in subsequent patches after 1.5 assuming a lack of softcaps and the presence of CP's. If we want dynamic ulti and soft caps again, we'd also need a game resdesign.

1.0 to 1.5 was fun because my bats could eat up zergs of players. But 2+ skilled players trying to kill me was still not in my, or anyone's, favor. Most of the current complaints about the game were also the primary complaints about the game back then: lag (even if it's worse now), zergs (they were way bigger back then), unskilled play (procs now, aoe + ulti spam then), and lack of build diversity (this is actually better now, even though hybrids got rekt by the CP system).

I'm nostalgic for those times too, and for a variety of reasons. But I think the old school crowd that remains is looking back at it with rose tinted lenses.

Crystelle

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Sanct16 wrote: »

Give back dynamic ult

PS: How do the last 2 poll options even make sense?

Even if you didn't play back then you could have watched videos from those patches and have an opinion.

Yuke

Where is the option for:

I played every patch but prefer 1.6?

Satiar

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Yuke wrote: »

Where is the option for:

I played every patch but prefer 1.6?

I don't miss eating 50k dawn breakers to the face.

Firerock2

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

It had its problems, but I had much more fun. If there was a 1.5 version of this game that I had to pay extra money to play, I would.


1.6 was cancer, it was the darkest time in eso history. DB patch was the most balanced post 1.5

zyk

I preferred 1.6 to 2.2. When everyone emerged from the sewers about a month into 2.1, AvA was very very good.

IcyDeadPeople

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Balance will never be perfect, but it is much better now than it was during 1.0 - 1.5. You can finally make a viable character with any of the four classes and your choice of stamina or magicka, light, heavy or medium armor. This is a massive improvement, certainly was not the case until relatively recently.

The overall balance was terrible during 1.0 - 1.5, sometimes referred to as "Elder Robes Online." All the class abilities including ultimates scaled based on your max magicka and spell damage. There were no stamina morphs. The softcaps softened the edges slightly, but the game was overwhelmingly weighted toward light armor magicka builds.

None of you recall the extent to which people raged on this same forum during that time, asking ZOS to add stamina/weapon dmg ultimates, stamina class abilities, buff stam builds and get rid of soft caps? Many players quit the game back then because they felt shoehorned into playing light armor magicka build when they wanted a different kind of playstyle.

When 1.6 dropped, finally medium armor Stamina builds became viable, but the pendulum swung a bit too far in their direction and they were a bit overpowered compared to magicka builds for a while. Subsequent patches improved the balance further.

More recently heavy armor has been buffed to the point where it is a viable option, but in my view the pendulum has once again swung too far in the direction of heavy armor. Not quite enough of a tradeoff or reason to choose medium or light currently, when you can have tremendous sustain, incredibly high resistances and excellent damage output in heavy. Much improved since 1.5, though.

LeifErickson

Firerock2 wrote: »

DB patch was the most balanced post 1.5

Lol

donJay

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

The patch when Skaffa was unkillable, tanked hordes of players AND killed them is the patch that we should never go back to. Will never forget my early days. Seemed unrealistically OP. Perma block and ult every second.

mtwiggz

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Disliked dynamic ult gen. Made it too easy for players to chain ultimates. Couldn't even imagine how that would be with destro ult.

Loved soft caps. Reduced the amount of cheese builds running around Cyrodiil.

Vaoh

I did not play during 1.0 - 1.5 and I prefer PvP in Homestead rather than PvP in 1.0 - 1.5

*** I meant to vote that PvP was better in 1.0-1.5!! don't participate in polls when tired..... -_- ****

Console launch PvP saw everyone scaled equally and no CPs involved. Lag was also minimal. It was absolutely fantastic.

I've also seen many vids of the old-style PvP.

This is a very clear decision imo.

Joy_Division

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Poll is weird - How exactly do people decide if they prefer Hometead without playing 1.0-1.5?

Sheuib

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

People use to complain about soft caps and dynamic ult as much as they complain about not having them now. I use to perma block in light armor on my magtemplar and never die.

Jitterbug

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Oh I member

Chair

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

#GiveBackBackDynamicUltGen

Rohamad_Ali

I enjoyed the performance back then but I did not enjoy the pulse trains and light armor vamp DK invasion Overlords . They ruled with Iron Fists and a bazillion bat ultimates . I remember testing 1.6 and melting the Test Center server playing with the Devs . I know we were in for the lag of a lifetime . The EP of Thornblade were just one big ball of impulse that made walls repairable under attack . I do not share the same rose lenses for those times .

I miss the first 3 weeks of launch where everyone was confused and the battles were bigger then life . Then the Bot Armies invaded and ZoS made some changes to the code and a patch to fix lighting came out and it all went downhill from there performance wise . Server pops were lowered . Deer were evacuated . Torchbugs were eradicated from the swamps and forests . It was the strangest MMO experience I had ever seen to try and fix the lag . I could of swore they would just do a rollback before all that strange removal and pop cap limit stuff but no . They really kept going in that direction ... So weird . Sometimes it doesn't even feel like the same game I preordered but a watered down version of this really big spectacular war zone called Cyrodiil .

Anyways I forgot what else I was going to say . Something about getting back to the launch feeling I think .

Fi'yra

To be honest with you.. I don't feel like voting because I feel it's useless. I preferred 1.5, fix nirnhoned and it was a good patch.
- And perma roll-dodge, but then again I'm a Magicka DK I don't care about your Rolling x)

Leandor

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Yes, I played back then. Yes, I preferred it back then, but for different reasons than most.

I prefer the old times, because it was a different type of community back then. There was the odd one out in between who tried to exploit the addmitedly poorer gameplay, but the majority of players just played the game.

Nowadays, no matter which campaign you join, there's always a bunch of ap flippers with zero interest in pvp. Or proctatos. Or 5-attacks-a-second turds.

Basically, pvp population is a bunch of exploiting, spineless and pathetic excuses for human beings, that justify anything with "because I can".

And that is the only reason why I lost interest in pvp.

Derra

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Only thing i miss is multiple populated campaigns and dynamic ult gain.

But there´s so much i don´t want back.

PandaIsAPotato

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

@PenguinInACan don't lie you loved the mDK/Templar only meta, and you miss your Blinding Flashes!

Leandor wrote: »

Yes, I played back then. Yes, I preferred it back then, but for different reasons than most.

I prefer the old times, because it was a different type of community back then. There was the odd one out in between who tried to exploit the addmitedly poorer gameplay, but the majority of players just played the game.

Nowadays, no matter which campaign you join, there's always a bunch of ap flippers with zero interest in pvp. Or proctatos. Or 5-attacks-a-second turds.

Basically, pvp population is a bunch of exploiting, spineless and pathetic excuses for human beings, that justify anything with "because I can".

And that is the only reason why I lost interest in pvp.

This is a very sad and very true observation, back in the 1.5 days a majority of people did just "Play the game." But the best part was no one knew how to play, there wasn't a meta or BiS sets, there wasn't exploits that you had to get to be competitive. I.E Double Mundus, that was arguably the best part about early day ESO, we were all a bunch of potatoes learning to potate.

Bashev

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

I miss the soft caps and the dynamic ulties. Back then we had 6 skills (the ulti was like a skill, especially 1.0 and 1.1 with bats cost 4 ultimates for sorcs and 40 for the rest) on 1 bar, now we have 5 skills + 1 utlimate.

Leandor

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

Bashev wrote: »

I miss the soft caps and the dynamic unties...

Yeah, dynamic undies were a blast

SCNR

pjwb16_ESO

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

I miss stacking Veils . RIP Ground Oils remembered for eternity

Chair

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

@Stillian

Voting for preferring homestead PVP, you know flipping isnt PVP Right?

azoriangaming

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and do not prefer it to PvP in Homestead

god damn it i can't read lmao

my vote should be i play back then and enjoyed it better back then

Iyas

I miss the playerbase and several active campaigns. But not the combat.

ToRelax

I did play during 1.0 - 1.5 and prefer it to PvP in Homestead

I'd take anything except 1.0 over what we have now.

1.5 and 1.6 both had their good and bad sides, overall I enjoyed 1.5 more, but it's close.

And yes, of course the game would have to be balanced differently if you reintroduce major systems like softcaps or dynamic ult. I don't think I just like those because of nostalgia. >_>

Fi'yra wrote: »

To be honest with you.. I don't feel like voting because I feel it's useless. I preferred 1.5, fix nirnhoned and it was a good patch.
- And perma roll-dodge, but then again I'm a Magicka DK I don't care about your Rolling x)

You mean 1.6?