Should I unsubscribe from ESO+?

lehran · February 2017

@bulbousb16_ESO You cannot purchase Morrowind with crowns.

Majic · February 2017

Do Exactly As I Say!

1. Drop your ESO+ subscription.
2. Continue playing.
3a. If you enjoy the game just as much without the sub, keep playing without it.
3b. If you find yourself missing ESO+ enough to want to pay for it, resubscribe.

These are your orders. Do not deviate from them in any way.

Now hop to it!

I_killed_Vivec · February 2017

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

Hold on now. You think paying for a subscription right now let's me play content for free 3 months from now? You need to have a subscription now to play content now. You need to have a subscription in 3 months to play the content (new or old) 3 months from now.

People seem to believe that having a subscription for the last 2 years "banked" privilege for them. Everything you paid for with your subscription you have received. If they chose to release content now that is not covered by a subscription you can choose to not subscribe. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing.

Like I said in another thread, only people who purchased a 6 month subscription that will overlap into the new content in June have a case to be upset, maybe. But then those people had no idea new content was coming out when they purchased the 6 month sub (and were satisfied with their purchase at that time) so maybe not.

That bit in bold isn't exactly true. There have been rumours about Clockwork City for ages (probably two years). That was never released as DLC, but ESO+ members might have "paid" for its development.

Also, we were promised DLC delivered approximately every 3 months...not only has that slipped but now we find that what might have been DLC in development will now be an expansion. Where are our DLC updates for the last 6 months, and indeed the next?

If you include housing there will have been 6 DLC (I do NOT count Craglorn, that was before P2P), in the two years before Morrowind is released.

That is a significant departure from the regular release of DLC on a quarterly basis. I think it's fair to say ESO+ members will have paid for he development of the Morrowind expansion, if only because ZoS broke faith with the us over DLC.

bulbousb16_ESO · February 2017

lehran wrote: »

@bulbousb16_ESO You cannot purchase Morrowind with crowns.

Today, you cannot. This summer, you absolutely will be able to, just the way you can buy all other additional content with Crowns (including, for example, the Digital Imperial Edition).

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

@lehran Is it common to calculate such thinks with on-sale prices crowns but not with the lowes possible prices for the subscription?

With the normal price of the 1500 crown pack you get the subscription perks basically for free,1500 crowns equals the price of one month sub.

@SnuggleMePlease
You have no lasting drawbacks from cancelling your sub. You can re-sub any given time. If you ask yourself if it'S worth to pay 14€ a month for a game, then it's not worth it. After all it's just one game. If you love eso and the sub perks, keep the sub. Otherways cancel it.

you make a good point on lowest price calculation....

i sub for 180 days at a time it costs £41.94..... that is 0.233p per day.

Oh didn't realise it was so cheap for six months. That affects my math from above a lot. At that rate I would be worse off by £20 to cancel my sub and buy all current and 2017 dlc. Will check out the six month option

sir/madam..... i hope i haven't misled you. as far as i am aware zos cancelled the 180 day option for new subscribers some time back. i could be wrong, in fact i hope i am.

RebornV3x · February 2017

I would probably unsub and just buy all dlc outright it will be cheaper than paying for 12 months of eso+ and a 40$ expansion

The only reason to buy eso+ is for a crafting bag which I can do without I have 8 characters for a reason or if I want to buy 1500 crowns that really it.

If your just looking for the play the dlc it's cheaper to just buy it separately in the long run.

silvereyes · February 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

when Morrowind is released, you can buy it with your Crowns.

Nope. It's a retail purchase only, just like the base game.

silvereyes · February 2017

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

There have been rumours about Clockwork City for ages (probably two years). That was never released as DLC, but ESO+ members might have "paid" for its development.

So? So did everyone that bought the base game in that time. So did everyone that purchased crowns during that time. Nowhere in the ESO+ marketing materials have they ever published that you get to rent a developer to work on anything in particular.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Also, we were promised DLC delivered approximately every 3 months.

You were told to expect a named DLC every 3 months, and that was the plan ... over a year and a half ago! They kept to that schedule for 5 releases. I fail to see how something mentioned at a conference over a year before 1 tamriel was released continues to be brought up as a sort of immutable gospel truth or promise for every single ESO+ sub since then.

Edit: they kept the schedule for 5 releases, not 4. I always forget about SotH, it made that much of an impression on me.

wiz12268b14_ESO · February 2017

Subbing is clearly not worth it. The ONLY thing that is even debatable (right now) is the crafting bag, and if you think that is worth 100 bucks a year to rent then fine. Of course once housing comes out getting double the amount of decorations can be factored, but unlikely vast majority wont be able to afford the standard number let alone double. Unless of course they (Ironically) spend crowns on housing decorations.

The subs are too expensive anyway even with them giving crowns with them. A 12 month sub should have been 99 bucks, 6 months 60; 3 months 40 and 1 month 15. But even at those prices AND them giving 1500 crowns per month subbing still wouldnt be worth it. But it would be slightly closer.

Price of sub now at cheapest rate is 156 a year that gives 18K crowns. During a 40% off sale you can buy six 5500 crown packages for 144 dollars. So you get 33000 crowns and you save 12 bucks (roughly a month sub at that tier) If you spend 168 you get 38500 crowns. So 20K more crowns than subbing a year will give you. More than double. But it makes the bag and the EXP boost 'cost' around 1365 crowns a month (I factored it at 11 months and at 6 x 5500 packages)

At my suggested 99 per year it would be 18000 for 99. During a 40% off sale you would get 4 5500 packs for 96. So that would be 22000 crowns for 96 bucks. Still more crowns for less money. But it would make the bag 'cost' 333 crowns a month. Basically its 4 times as much as it 'should' be according to what I think sub prices should be.

As far as DLCs you buy those with the excess crowns you obtain. 7000 gets you all the current DLCs (5500 for the first 4 and 1500 for Hist) To be fair if you were buying them a la carte you would have had to pay 11000 to get them as they came out and stay current. Going forward that would be a consideration but right now 7000 'catches you up' on all available content.

So going forward you would buy 6 or 7 5500 crown packs when they next go on sale. That would give you the aforementioned 33 or 38.5K crowns to spend on the upcoming (paid) DLCs. So if they do have three (as they claim) those will be a max of 9K, more than likely something like 8K total. So you then keep all the content and you OWN it out right and arent renting it and you would still have 25 to 30K crowns in excess (still more than you would be getting for subbing). So any excuse of 'I am spending crowns on content and not store items' gets thrown out the window. Because you would spend less money over all BUY all the DLC content and still have more crowns than you would get if you were subbing.

This is PC obviously.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

silvereyes wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

There have been rumours about Clockwork City for ages (probably two years). That was never released as DLC, but ESO+ members might have "paid" for its development.

So? So did everyone that bought the base game in that time. So did everyone that purchased crowns during that time. Nowhere in the ESO+ marketing materials have they ever published that you get to rent a developer to work on anything in particular.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Also, we were promised DLC delivered approximately every 3 months.

You were told to expect a named DLC every 3 months, and that was the plan ... over a year and a half ago! They kept to that schedule for 4 releases. I fail to see how something mentioned at a conference over a year before 1 tamriel was released continues to be brought up as a sort of immutable gospel truth or promise for every single ESO+ sub since then.

yup.... 'cos none of the people posting their outrage here ever changed their mind about anything or had to adapt their plans because of circumstances unforeseen or otherwise. nor were they held to contract conditions by investors.

hey... it's the interwebs....

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Majic wrote: »

Do Exactly As I Say!

1. Drop your ESO+ subscription.
2. Continue playing.
3a. If you enjoy the game just as much without the sub, keep playing without it.
3b. If you find yourself missing ESO+ enough to want to pay for it, resubscribe.

These are your orders. Do not deviate from them in any way.

Now hop to it!

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Hawco10 · February 2017

I'm personally keeping mine, however, I just checked on the expansion in the PS4 store and they want $60 for it.
Nope, not for me. I too, thought that all this stuff was included but looks like someone got greedy at zos and moved the goalposts around.

kessik221 · February 2017

What i would do is take the crowns i already have from subbing or buy new crowns Get the guild and glory pack then unsub until they start making content for Morrowind.

silvereyes · February 2017

Hawco10 wrote: »

I'm personally keeping mine, however, I just checked on the expansion in the PS4 store and they want $60 for it.
Nope, not for me. I too, thought that all this stuff was included but looks like someone got greedy at zos and moved the goalposts around.

I think that's for the full version. The upgrade version should be $40. Maybe it's not up yet?

kessik221 · February 2017

To add, orsinium was a pretty big patch changed a lot of things and we didn't have to pay out for an xpac. There better be an entire new games worth of content foe this price jack.

ADarklore · February 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

lehran wrote: »

@bulbousb16_ESO You cannot purchase Morrowind with crowns.

Today, you cannot. This summer, you absolutely will be able to, just the way you can buy all other additional content with Crowns (including, for example, the Digital Imperial Edition).

Why are you misleading people? They have clearly stated that Morrowind will NOT be in the Crown Store, which is something they never claimed of other DLCs. Furthermore, if they ever offered Morrowind via Crown Store it would go against their entire new designation of 'retail only' expansions and create even more chaos.

Here is the exact statement from Gina.

AlMcFly · February 2017

Is it no longer considered respectable to make decisions for yourself?

STEVIL · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

if you choose a 30 day or 60 day sub plan today, morrowind will have no value impact on that purchase because that purchase would not include ever the morrowind content. it would expire before morrowind was a possibility.

So if you were planning on subbing 30-60 days before hearing about morrowind, there is no logical reason to unsub.

At the point that your sub-period will overlap morrowind then you are in new terms, new rules where you know the "chapters" or "expansions" wont be free but other dlc will and other bonuses still apply. So that is the point at which the morrowind/expansion/chapter plays a role.

keep in mind, a sub does not give you access to content beyond its sub period. It only gives you access to content during its sub period.

So the folks working themselves up over "but i was supposed to get all future blah blah..." nope... just get what is there when you sub and now you know in 5 months that will change.

Jade1986 · February 2017

Honestly, I would say drop your sub. The -only- reason I subbed in the first place was because I got all dlc for free. So, now that this is no longer the case, what is the point? And crafting is also kind of useless since the gear that drops is better than crafted gear. The only thing you would really need to have for crafting is enchanting and alchemy and provisioning now. And then you save a LOT of room anyway with mats.

I honestly dont like any of the class choices we got with vanilla ESO, and I will just buy the expansion and play the class I have wanted to play from the get go. I mean honestly, 40 euro for an expansion is a bit on the steep side and then subbing too? Not even FF14 charges that much.

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

Yes you should. ZOS hasn't delivered on the amount of content they promised. If they had, I would still sub. Now I just buy the DLC and since new DLC doesn't come that often, I save money. The last few months the ONLY reason I subbed was the craftbag, but now that I maxed out bank and bags, I don't need it anymore.

I made the calculations in another thread, but you save around 60 euro a year by not subbing. Calculations done by projecting from previously released material and release cadence only seems to be going down, so you would likely save more.

Frondale · February 2017

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318400/ideas-for-eso-plus/p1

it is worth going here to officially discuss ESO Plus that ZOS_GinaBruno has stickied.

Sinthrax · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

But what about the bag's?

That is the only thing that makes ESO+ slightly worth it in my opinion. The crafting bag is really useful, but I've managed without it before.

Also, while I'm at it, I just want to clarify that I would mainly like to generate discussion and gather opinions on the matter? I'm not necessarily asking someone to make a decision for me.

Then look around the forums. I think 1,000 people are already doing it. It turns into a flame war. I made my decision without posting about it.

Pangnirtung · February 2017

This is almost like leasing a car versus buying one.

Both have advantages. Both have disadvantages.

Personally, I subbed for a month a couple of weeks ago for the bag space and only because Morrowind will cost money am I unsubbing until the expansion comes out. The money saved by not subbing will pay for the expansion and if I need more bag space I will sub again for a month.

Evergnar · February 2017

Honestly I'd say try both sub and non sub and see what works for you. Me personally I'll be dropping my sub this month but that's because I already own all the dlc's and have no need for anything else from eso+.

Pinja · February 2017

Why use the bag space when you'll use the Mats for housing?

SickDuck · February 2017

I've unsubscribed just a day ago. I don't have any problem about the expansion model, I got pissed when ZOS announced we don't get free slot(s) to try the warden. Petty and unprecedented move in the genre.

Then I realised until like Aug-Sept I won't really need my ESO+ anyway. Since Morrowind does not require the sub and I'm sure I will spend my time there mostly. Not a big loss for now and it saves me the money I'll need to spend on extra character slots. Oh and the price of the expansion too. Funny how it works both ways...

SickDuck · February 2017

Frondale wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318400/ideas-for-eso-plus/p1

it is worth going here to officially discuss ESO Plus that ZOS_GinaBruno has stickied.

Ah yes, great thread. Looks like even ZOS realised that there may be a mass un-subbing. Some cause of rage, but I think lot of people will just realise it's not a big deal to take a short break while enjoying Morrowind. Lot of people felt the whole expansion thing as kick in the groin and now they are being offered a candy to ease the pain. Actually, just a promise of candy somewhere in the future.

Btw, I do feel ESO+ is still great value but ZOS can do some really stupid things now and then, ignoring it's player base. It's good to send a reminder where the money comes from.

Pinja · February 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

@lehran Is it common to calculate such thinks with on-sale prices crowns but not with the lowes possible prices for the subscription?

With the normal price of the 1500 crown pack you get the subscription perks basically for free,1500 crowns equals the price of one month sub.

@SnuggleMePlease
You have no lasting drawbacks from cancelling your sub. You can re-sub any given time. If you ask yourself if it'S worth to pay 14€ a month for a game, then it's not worth it. After all it's just one game. If you love eso and the sub perks, keep the sub. Otherways cancel it.

you make a good point on lowest price calculation....

i sub for 180 days at a time it costs £41.94..... that is 0.233p per day.

Oh didn't realise it was so cheap for six months. That affects my math from above a lot. At that rate I would be worse off by £20 to cancel my sub and buy all current and 2017 dlc. Will check out the six month option

@GrumpyMuffin This won't work out as they don't consider all dlc as dlc...
Your just spending extra money all the way around.

LordGavus · February 2017

If people are questioning the usefulness/value of sub I recommend cancelling for a month.

Then ask, did you miss the perks?
If you are subbed you probably haven't bought the dlc, did you miss that?
If you are a crafter, can you manage without the craft bag?
Do you miss the monthly crowns?

In my opinion the small monthly fee is worth all this. Others may disagree, but if you trial cancel you'll know for sure.

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