redspecter23 wrote: »Probably more of a loophole than an exploit. The people in question didn't do anything against the rules but are working the system. ZOS should probably find a way to patch up that loophole before it escalates past one testing guild and into something much larger and more sketchy.
ElfFromSpace wrote: »This just makes the trading game even more broken. Other guilds have been aware of this potential exploit for a long time but have not put it into practice. If this is considered acceptable behavior, then soon every large trade guild will feel the need to create a fake second bid guild to hedge their bets. Smaller guilds will find themselves outbid by the backup bids of large guilds and if the large guild doesn't need the spot that week, then the fake guilds with no items for sale will likely just sit there, locking guilds with lower budgets out completely.
All zos will do is close the thread for naming and shaming, sad
Assuming this is what happened, who's to say they made only one "fake" guild? If you have enough gold, how many fake guilds placing bets could one guild create?
driosketch wrote: »That's a lot of risk to pull off. Player counter is clear, next time you spot an empty store with a spot, alert everyone to park someone with hire privilege there, try to snipe the trader during the change over.
rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Could this be related in any way to the phenomenon that we've seen some weeks of random empty guilds occupying popular spots (rendering this guild trader useless cause no one is selling anything through it)?
rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Could this be related in any way to the phenomenon that we've seen some weeks: random empty guilds occupying popular spots (rendering this guild trader useless cause no one is selling anything through it)?
rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Could this be related in any way to the phenomenon that we've seen some weeks: random empty guilds occupying popular spots (rendering this guild trader useless cause no one is selling anything through it)?
All zos will do is close the thread for naming and shaming, sad
ElfFromSpace wrote: »This just makes the trading game even more broken. Other guilds have been aware of this potential exploit for a long time but have not put it into practice. If this is considered acceptable behavior, then soon every large trade guild will feel the need to create a fake second bid guild to hedge their bets. Smaller guilds will find themselves outbid by the backup bids of large guilds and if the large guild doesn't need the spot that week, then the fake guilds with no items for sale will likely just sit there, locking guilds with lower budgets out completely.
This is disturbing to hear but I admit after reading his I couldn't help but think how this would help with my own guilds bids. We lost our bid two weeks ago so if this is acceptable practice then I'll have to do the same and create alt guilds to bid on other spots.
When we lost our bid it was hard and I don't want it to happen again. I don't want to ruin the game for other guilds but if I can bid on two or even three spots to ensure my guild has a trader each week then I will unless I'm told it's not acceptable by ZOS.
I'm sorry to the other guilds but if I hire multiple trader spots with our gold then it's fair play right? Even if I'm taking multiple spots I'm still paying. It's not like it's my fault if all the other small guilds die out because wealthier guilds are now buying up all the spots as backups.
I could even maybe SELL spots I won bids on? Maybe create a cartel of sorts where we win multiple spots each week then sell those spots to guilds who lost. I could probably make a ton of gold by winning traders and selling them.. Hmm...
A lot of possibilities open up if this is allowed. I could make trader spots even more rare and valuable by bidding on all the cheap spots with alt guilds shutting out the new trader guilds then demand whatever I want to allow new guilds a place in my new cartel. Maybe start charging a "protection tax" so I don't bid on your trader spot with my alt guild.
Hmm... I wonder what else I could do with this...
ElfFromSpace wrote: »This just makes the trading game even more broken. Other guilds have been aware of this potential exploit for a long time but have not put it into practice. If this is considered acceptable behavior, then soon every large trade guild will feel the need to create a fake second bid guild to hedge their bets. Smaller guilds will find themselves outbid by the backup bids of large guilds and if the large guild doesn't need the spot that week, then the fake guilds with no items for sale will likely just sit there, locking guilds with lower budgets out completely.
Trading guilds for a long time now have had back-up bids on traders that they can usually get for cheap. That way if they do lose their preferred spot they still at least have something available. That is why you see so many traders that have one green recipe in them or something like that.
When they get the spot they want they just leave the other one empty for the week. Just part of the cost of doing business. And being able to deny potential competition a spot is just an added bonus.
I thought the entire point of using Traders was to prevent one guild from gaining a monopoly over others. If this is happening and continues to happen, ZOS might as well just pull the whole thing and change to a global Auction House system instead.
This is disturbing to hear but I admit after reading his I couldn't help but think how this would help with my own guilds bids. We lost our bid two weeks ago so if this is acceptable practice then I'll have to do the same and create alt guilds to bid on other spots.
When we lost our bid it was hard and I don't want it to happen again. I don't want to ruin the game for other guilds but if I can bid on two or even three spots to ensure my guild has a trader each week then I will unless I'm told it's not acceptable by ZOS.
I'm sorry to the other guilds but if I hire multiple trader spots with our gold then it's fair play right? Even if I'm taking multiple spots I'm still paying. It's not like it's my fault if all the other small guilds die out because wealthier guilds are now buying up all the spots as backups.
I could even maybe SELL spots I won bids on? Maybe create a cartel of sorts where we win multiple spots each week then sell those spots to guilds who lost. I could probably make a ton of gold by winning traders and selling them.. Hmm...
A lot of possibilities open up if this is allowed. I could make trader spots even more rare and valuable by bidding on all the cheap spots with alt guilds shutting out the new trader guilds then demand whatever I want to allow new guilds a place in my new cartel. Maybe start charging a "protection tax" so I don't bid on your trader spot with my alt guild.
Hmm... I wonder what else I could do with this...
Please keep in mind that my original post was not in any way intended to promote cheating in anyway and I would discourage you from using this exploit. My sole intentions are to make the issue known and nothing else.