Bal_Isra wrote: »

The new candle in the unfurnished Cyrodilic Jungle House is hovering a foot above its pedestal.

It's same issue with with all the Imperial homes because they redecorated all of them using the Nibenese style (instead of Colovian which was the imperial style in the first PTS). Most of the lamp posts are also clipping into things. I imagine they just did a bulk replace of all the Colovian assets with Nibenese ones, which resulted in some of them floating since they aren't the same size.

I posted about it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/314042/no-imperial-furnishings-in-the-crown-store

The biggest problem with this change is that the houses are Colovian style (Gothic) but the furnishings are Nibenese (Greco-Roman) and the two styles clash horribly (Colovian uses dark stone while Nibenese uses white marble).

The Imperial homes used the proper Colovian style in the first patch, but I guess ZOS didn't have enough assets to fill an entire house so they just removed all of them from the game and made Nibenese the default Imperial style.

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

@MLGProPlayer I noticed some lamp posts in Kvatch, by the furniture merchants, are in the style that was in furnished homes before the patch, so they are in game still but maybe something unfortunate happened when they did the renaming for housing

I did some snooping around Vile Manse and Kvatch today as well, and there are definitely more than enough Colovian assets in the game. Really not sure why they got rid of them.

I hope it was a mistake and they planning on putting them back in the game. If the removal was intentional (in order to simplify styles), then they picked the wrong imperial style to remove...

Examples of assets they removed:

All of these perfectly match the style of the actual homes we have in the game.

Some things I HOPE you will consider for future housing updates @ZOS_GinaBruno :
1. Please give us a way to build walls inside the houses. Giant empty spaces (and even smaller ones) are just not cool. I mean I'm all about the open floorplan but this is ridiculous.

2. Allow us to place fireplaces wherever we want and move existing ones. You don't have the outside of houses correspond to the inside anyway so this shouldn't be a big deal. And give us some different fireplaces so we can have some choice and variety.

3. If we cannot change the colors of furnishings, rugs and tapestries please offer them in at least 3 different colors so we can have some variety.

4. RAISE THE PLAYER CAP.

5. Portable bards! I'd like to be able to have a bard who plays all 3 instruments (my choice) that I can place anywhere on my property and have them play. What's a house party without a bard??? Alternatively, being able to choose from the in-game music to play for ambience in our houses would be incredibly cool. Perhaps create a magical music box for this purpose!

6. I'd like to be able to choose some birds to occupy outdoor spaces and just act as they do in the normal world. The properties seem very sterile with nothing that moves and no life outside.

7. If you're going to confine pets to one spot rather than letting them path through the houses please give them a sleeping emote. It'd be cute if they'd wake up and stretch now and again, them curl up in a different position and go back to sleep. Or even just lay down and stay down while still looking alert.

8. Add most of the other existing buildings to housing. I'd love to see Firebrand Keep as an option! And the fighters guild and mages guild buildings.

9. Make all towers accessible. We want those views!

10. Let us lay down flagstones to create outdoor patio areas and have these flagstones replace any existing grass so there's no clipping issues.

11. Let us build swimmable pools. So that we can createRoman Imperial style baths!

12. Make beds interactable so our characters can actually get under the covers with a nice sleep emote! Yes, this includes the non-useable at all canopy beds!

MornaBaine wrote: »

Allow us to place fireplaces wherever we want and move existing ones. You don't have the outside of houses correspond to the inside anyway so this shouldn't be a big deal. And give us some different fireplaces so we can have some choice and variety.

YESS!!! A couple of the homes don't have fireplaces at all, like Twin Arches, and it's disappointing. Fireplaces add so much atmosphere, and it would be wonderful to be able to place them ourselves.

PLEA

MornaBaine wrote: »

1. Please give us a way to build walls inside the houses. Giant empty spaces (and even smaller ones) are just not cool. I mean I'm all about the open floorplan but this is ridiculous.

2. Allow us to place fireplaces wherever we want and move existing ones. You don't have the outside of houses correspond to the inside anyway so this shouldn't be a big deal. And give us some different fireplaces so we can have some choice and variety.

9. Make all towers accessible. We want those views!

11. Let us build swimmable pools. So that we can createRoman Imperial style baths!

12. Make beds interactable

I agree with all your points, but I feel these are especially imperative.

I *love* Rift's housing because we can build as many bedrooms as we want and create our own floor plans.

I would throw money at a future patch that gave us floors, walls, windows, doors etc to build our own homes. We can already place object wherever we want. We just need the right kind of object and a drastic item count increase.

I would purchase a housing area with NO buildings on it so I can create my dream castle. One of my biggest pet peeves is that the buildings in ESO have inaccessible areas. You can see towers and windows from the outside, but a player going into a building only sees the base floors/levels.

I can't imagine a castle building tower structures atop it that no one can ever access. They are just there for... outside decor?

Betheny wrote: »

Perhaps pets and mounts (and merchants/bankers) could be given a "wandering circle" where they are able to move around and perform their actions - have it so you could see the circle outlined while placing them in the house, and it would be up to players to place them appropriately (using the outlined circle as a guide) so the npcs could move freely.

Would this be possible?

Would really like to see the placed pets and npcs showing a little life.

Absolutely agree with this. Pets and mounts need to have a wandering animation. Just like enemy and NPCs have in the game. Just allow them to walk a bit, perform their idle animations, then walk some more.

Betheny wrote: »

Perhaps pets and mounts (and merchants/bankers) could be given a "wandering circle" where they are able to move around and perform their actions - have it so you could see the circle outlined while placing them in the house, and it would be up to players to place them appropriately (using the outlined circle as a guide) so the npcs could move freely.

Would this be possible?

Would really like to see the placed pets and npcs showing a little life.

This would be fantastic.

One thing I was really looking forward to was being able to place my mounts and pets in the house. But I've actually stopped using most of them because it just looks too creepy to have them standing there, frozen in place.

Danikat wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Perhaps pets and mounts (and merchants/bankers) could be given a "wandering circle" where they are able to move around and perform their actions - have it so you could see the circle outlined while placing them in the house, and it would be up to players to place them appropriately (using the outlined circle as a guide) so the npcs could move freely.

Would this be possible?

Would really like to see the placed pets and npcs showing a little life.

This would be fantastic.

One thing I was really looking forward to was being able to place my mounts and pets in the house. But I've actually stopped using most of them because it just looks too creepy to have them standing there, frozen in place.

Are we sure this isn't a glitch of some sort? I put my cat on a table and it continued to move around like they always do.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Perhaps pets and mounts (and merchants/bankers) could be given a "wandering circle" where they are able to move around and perform their actions - have it so you could see the circle outlined while placing them in the house, and it would be up to players to place them appropriately (using the outlined circle as a guide) so the npcs could move freely.

Would this be possible?

Would really like to see the placed pets and npcs showing a little life.

This would be fantastic.

One thing I was really looking forward to was being able to place my mounts and pets in the house. But I've actually stopped using most of them because it just looks too creepy to have them standing there, frozen in place.

Are we sure this isn't a glitch of some sort? I put my cat on a table and it continued to move around like they always do.

When I say they're frozen in place I mean that they just stay in one position in the spot where you placed them. With some pets like the monkey and the mud crab that looks ok because their idle animations make it look natural. For example the monkey is sitting down poking at stuff around it, so it looks like it's just happy to stay where it is.

But with others like the wolf pup and the senche panther it looks really unnatural because their idle animations don't include much movement. They just stand there, moving their head and tail slightly but otherwise staying stood up in the same position indefinitely, which a real animal wouldn't do. It makes it look like they're paralyzed and can't sit down or walk.

While writing this I've been watching some of the animals out in the world, like horses and pigs on farms and wild wolves and they're much better. They'll walk around a small area, and periodically use different animations. If you watch them for any length of time it's obvious that they're on a short animation loop, doing the same few things over and over, but it's still much better than standing in the same place all the time.

Seriously, why no item storage in player houses? Couldn't they make a vault that works like a bank, one that can only be accessed while in a player-owned house or apartment? Would that be so hard to set up? They want players to collect various sets and experiment with different ways to play, but the character inventories and bank space fill up too easily. If they made a shared player vault like the one I described that could hold up to (preferably) 300 or more items, that would allow players the variety of flexibility that everyone wants without having to dump items they would want to keep.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If you don't want every second person to have the same title, then some titles need to be locked behind hard-to-acquire achievements.

You missed the point of my post. I am not saying that titles shouldn't be hard to acquire - they should be - but come on... locking titles with broad appeal behind a paywall is just insane. You're saying it's OK that people can just buy these titles, and that there is no other means of acquiring them? Have you taken the time to examine what the costs involved would be to get, say, the Count title? Some of those titles would require purchasing multiple homes in the millions of dollars each. Some or all of those homes, you may not even want or like. But if you want the title, you have no choice.

I think that these titles should be available through alternate means, as well. OK, so if someone wants to shell out millions of gold to get these titles, or whatever the equivalent is in crowns, fine, let them. But make them also available through completing a tough meta-deed or something. They should not be available ONLY through exorbitant purchases.

I'm surprised and a bit saddened to see little to no pushback on the plan regarding these titles. Is it that people don't realize, or that they don't care?

Enodoc wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

The sheet that has all the details:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zjp0byRyjqQAopZhcWqConJsQiVZQQqH4fxo22qxJc8/edit?usp=sharing

@Dominoid You're getting through all this stuff a lot faster than I am. Do you mind if we use your spreadsheet as a source for UESP?

@Enodoc, feel free to use it.

Great, thanks! Have you got details of specifically which Home Goods Furnisher is selling which items? I got them all down from last week, but apparently they have added more furnishings to them all with this patch, which means another circuit of all the vendors is in order

I'll probably be doing that starting Wednesday, unless you are able to mine that information.

@Enodoc, no mining there. I had to go vendor to vendor. I listed the vendor location for items that appeared only once or twice per vendor - mostly stones, rocks, trees and plants specific to the zone the vendor was in. Things that appeared frequently on these vendors, I didn't list a particular location. Shoot me a PM with your Google login email and I'll add you as an editor of the sheet if you simply want to update min (now ours) when you make your passes.

So I only found, like, four additional items across all the Home Goods Furnishers. In case I missed any, I've listed all the ones I went to on the Notes sheet.

@Enodoc, looks awesome thanks. I love the "short list".

@SadieJoan

SadieJoan wrote: »

I have been looking at and playing around with the manors today, and didn't really like the AD one because it's Khajiit style, which I personally really dislike (kind of disappointed that the manor wasn't Altmer really, but never mind...) so I went to have a little mess around with the other two, and although the Daggerfall Overlook Manor is AMAZING, and for me, the most attractive of the three, it is completely covered with DC alliance banners and blue drapes...

The other two Manors are pretty much blank canvases, and could easily be inhabited by any alliance, but this 'in your face' blue in Daggerfall Overlook is really off putting... I realise that this home is located in a DC zone, but still, with One Tamriel here now, its a bit stupid to restrict a home to just one alliance like this. Why is there no option to remove these decorations from the walls? That way, it would be more appealing to everyone. With ALL 12 of my characters being AD, this would certainly put me off purchasing it, and I am sure I am not the only one who would feel this way...

(images deleted from quote by Shadowshire)

By the way, if memory serves, someone in this discussion said that, although the banners on the walls of Daggerfall Overlook cannot be removed, they can be replaced. Then again, I don't know whether they can be replaced by AD or EP banners, or just by banners with symbols, colors, and markings like those on Guild Tabards.

Which manor is "the AD one" that is Khajiit style? It isn't clear to me what you mean by a "manor" but there are four Notable Houses in the Aldmeri Dominion:

(1) Mathiisen Manor, Auridon

If you don't like the Mathiisen grounds, then I don't blame you. Although the area around the manor is enormous, there are no outbuildings, whether for stables or workshops. About half of the grounds are occupied by a grand "reflecting pool" on an elevated area at the rear, surrounded by a patio and with a large outer margin of grass and plants. This is great if you role-play and like to have large house parties! One plus: there are many hearths and fireplaces in the manor itself, where you can presumably install at least one Cooking Fire for Provisioning. (See also my Post #443 in this discussion.)

(2) The Gorinir Estate at Cormount, Grahtwood

This is a Classic style homestead for Wood Elves. Who else would want one? The circular tree-pods are somewhat small, but so should be the furnishings (i.e., if the design team got those right) . The large grounds are covered with plants and the grounds are rather scenic and accessible with various clearings and alcoves among the surrounding rock walls. They could add a stable like the one outside Elden Root, somewhere.

(3) Serenity Falls Estate near Rawl'kha, Reaper's March

This estate is a "rural manor", but I don't know whether it can be characterized as either Altmer or Khajiit. The huge yard includes a 2-story barn / workshop with outside stalls under the 2nd-floor roof (which looks as though a Nord built it). The grounds include a waterfall and a creek, but, at present, no Fishing Holes. I have offered suggestions for improvements to the main building (Post #446 in this discussion), but it is unlikely that the Z.O. design team will implement any of them.

(4) Dawnshadow, Reaper's March

Frankly, there isn't much that I found "notable" about this one. I suppose that it is Khajiit style, but it needs lighter colors for the interior walls, which look burnt or moldy. It's just a bare, basic large house without a Cooking Fire hearth. As to the grounds, there is no outbuilding and not much, if any, space for adding one. Also, there is no water feature. On the other hand, if memory serves, it has the lowest price of all the Notable Houses, which is probably meant as a "heads up" for players to expect to spend more for a better choice.

With regard to One Tamriel, without any differences among the provinces, the pacts, and their respective zones, would it not be a dull world? Where would player characters find adventures, discover new things, meet NPCs of other races and cultures and either befriend or kill them?

Shadowshire wrote: »

@SadieJoan

SadieJoan wrote: »

I have been looking at and playing around with the manors today, and didn't really like the AD one because it's Khajiit style, which I personally really dislike (kind of disappointed that the manor wasn't Altmer really, but never mind...) so I went to have a little mess around with the other two, and although the Daggerfall Overlook Manor is AMAZING, and for me, the most attractive of the three, it is completely covered with DC alliance banners and blue drapes...

The other two Manors are pretty much blank canvases, and could easily be inhabited by any alliance, but this 'in your face' blue in Daggerfall Overlook is really off putting... I realise that this home is located in a DC zone, but still, with One Tamriel here now, its a bit stupid to restrict a home to just one alliance like this. Why is there no option to remove these decorations from the walls? That way, it would be more appealing to everyone. With ALL 12 of my characters being AD, this would certainly put me off purchasing it, and I am sure I am not the only one who would feel this way...

(images deleted from quote by Shadowshire)

By the way, if memory serves, someone in this discussion said that, although the banners on the walls of Daggerfall Overlook cannot be removed, they can be replaced. Then again, I don't know whether they can be replaced by AD or EP banners, or just by banners with symbols, colors, and markings like those on Guild Tabards.

Which manor is "the AD one" that is Khajiit style? It isn't clear to me what you mean by a "manor" but there are four Notable Houses in the Aldmeri Dominion:

(1) Mathiisen Manor, Auridon

If you don't like the Mathiisen grounds, then I don't blame you. Although the area around the manor is enormous, there are no outbuildings, whether for stables or workshops. About half of the grounds are occupied by a grand "reflecting pool" on an elevated area at the rear, surrounded by a patio and with a large outer margin of grass and plants. This is great if you role-play and like to have large house parties! One plus: there are many hearths and fireplaces in the manor itself, where you can presumably install at least one Cooking Fire for Provisioning. (See also my Post #443 in this discussion.)

(2) The Gorinir Estate at Cormount, Grahtwood

This is a Classic style homestead for Wood Elves. Who else would want one? The circular tree-pods are somewhat small, but so should be the furnishings (i.e., if the design team got those right) . The large grounds are covered with plants and the grounds are rather scenic and accessible with various clearings and alcoves among the surrounding rock walls. They could add a stable like the one outside Elden Root, somewhere.

(3) Serenity Falls Estate near Rawl'kha, Reaper's March

This estate is a "rural manor", but I don't know whether it can be characterized as either Altmer or Khajiit. The huge yard includes a 2-story barn / workshop with outside stalls under the 2nd-floor roof (which looks as though a Nord built it). The grounds include a waterfall and a creek, but, at present, no Fishing Holes. I have offered suggestions for improvements to the main building (Post #446 in this discussion), but it is unlikely that the Z.O. design team will implement any of them.

(4) Dawnshadow, Reaper's March

Frankly, there isn't much that I found "notable" about this one. I suppose that it is Khajiit style, but it needs lighter colors for the interior walls, which look burnt or moldy. It's just a bare, basic large house without a Cooking Fire hearth. As to the grounds, there is no outbuilding and not much, if any, space for adding one. Also, there is no water feature. On the other hand, if memory serves, it has the lowest price of all the Notable Houses, which is probably meant as a "heads up" for players to expect to spend more for a better choice.

With regard to One Tamriel, without any differences among the provinces, the pacts, and their respective zones, would it not be a dull world? Where would player characters find adventures, discover new things, meet NPCs of other races and cultures and either befriend or kill them?

I agree with you with the One Tamriel thing, but it is at it is, and anyone can buy the AD or EP manor and decorate it to their choosing, this is why it annoys me so...There are 3 'Manors' in the game, one in each alliance, each coming with achievements for buying them as they cost in excess of 3 million gold each, and a further acheivement for owning all three of them. They are the largest homes, Serenity Falls is the AD one, and is Khajiit style... The EP one is Ebonheart Chateaux and is Dunmer, and the DC one is Daggerfall overlook in Breton style. There is currently no way to change the banners in the DC manor, the other two have no banners and can be styled to however one chooses, but Daggerfall overlook, the most attractive of all of the manors, is covered in DC alliance banners which cannot be altered...

If the AD manor were Altmer style and was covered in AD banners, and the EP one had red banners all over it, I would understand that it had been made in a way to convinse people to buy manors int heir own alliance zones, but they dont, it is only the DC one that is covered in alliance paraphernalia.

I would like to add that our guild was thinking about buying one of these as a guild base, but the Khajiit one is out of the question, too many people dislike it, and Daggerfall Overlook is so nice looking, but even though we have all alliances in our guild, we are primarily AD, and even disregarding that, I don't particularly want any alliance banners splattered all over my walls, whichever alliance that may be