PTS Feedback Thread for Master Crafting Writs

OMA · January 2017

Considering the COST of DOING a master craft writ, the COST of Legendary materials. The COST of learning an exotic Style, some of which costs CROWNS, the COST of buying Nirnhoned materials or spending hours farming for them.

The master crafting writ rewards in both writ vouchers and in GOLD compensation for the THOUSANDS of GOLD spent to complete the contract needs to be MUCH higher! 100K gold reward would be a ok start though it probably doesn't even really begin to cover the expenses. No less than 20 writ vouchers for anything? I mean come on 2 - 8 writ vouchers for Alchemy or enchanting, maybe up to 10 for woodworking. The best reward I saw was 110 vouchers for a Legendary Nirnhoned Clothier writ.

Frankly other than the writ voucher rewards, if a player asked me to make a legendary doodad nirnhoned with an exotic style they will compensate me in such a way as it is profitable.

If the items we buy with the writ vouchers are tradeable that MIGHT make it worth it...or not. The target skeleton is worth it, and if we can sell these items we might make our money spent back. But the attunable crafting stations? Not worth it at all. It takes 3 minutes to get to any set item crafting station. The 100's of thousands of gold spent to craft enough writs to pay the amount of vouchers currently on the PTS is not worth it.

Either up the reward or flood the world with lovely golden resins to bring the prices down and make Nirnhoned materials easier to get.

The compensation isn't worth it and the only thing worth spending 100's of thousands of in game gold to buy/find/obtain and complete the numerous master writs to get to the total of 175 writ vouchers out of that store is the target skeleton.

OMA · January 2017

Writ Vouchers need to be able to transfer be treated as a currency like the telvar stones, I mean deposit in the bank, so my other characters can also contribute, maybe they know the skill and style needed to finish a writ. because...again...i didn't make a master crafter I made 4 specialists.

Grileenor · January 2017

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Writ Vouchers need to be able to transfer be treated as a currency like the telvar stones, I mean deposit in the bank, so my other characters can also contribute, maybe they know the skill and style needed to finish a writ. because...again...i didn't make a master crafter I made 4 specialists.

Patch Notes wrote:

Writ Vouchers are a new form of currency awarded exclusively through the completion of Master Writs.

All currencies in the game can be banked for all of the chars to use. It's a must have for reasonable play with multiple chars. If you announce it like this, let's use it like this.

OMA · January 2017

Also, I know the patch notes claim that these writs don't require 'Crown Exclusive' styles. However, if your missing some and they are in the crown store well...guess what? Now you got to plop out another $40 to buy it so you can do the writ. There were some motifs I just did not want to know because I was never going to ever use them *cough soul shriven* but now I have to go shell out the cash to do it? Clearly if I'm going to shell out cash, I'll just go buy the danged furniture in the crown store and be done with it. I can only imagine that a special backpack of tools from the writ voucher store is going to cost 100's of thousands to craft and if it is able to be sold it might well be nearly a $1 million backpack of tools? How silly is that?! I'll just furnish my house with straw bales..or...live on the PTS from now on...?

The_Saint · January 2017

StopDropAndBear wrote: »

I can't imagine this was intentional: this writ gave me a LOT more vouchers than writs of a similar requirement (and yes, I did finish it and it gave me the full 123)

As for feedback, I'd really love some kind of tracker or indicator in the crafting interface that highlights or notifies you when you're making the right craft for your master writ. With how expensive these can potentially be, it'd suck to make the wrong thing and waste a Nirncrux or something. I know that's a risk we run anyway with crafting, and it should be on the crafter to be diligent, but just some kind of indicator would be helpful in preventing costly accidents (for example, I use a provisioning add-on that puts a little checkmark next to the recipe I have to make for my current writ when I'm at a cooking fire).

257 was the highest i found in inventory

legendary, nirn, imperial city dlc and outlaw style...

Mmmh want to see one with orsinium and yokudan or akaviri style^^

CadenceRowan · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Master Crafting Writs. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
Did you receive any Master Crafting Writs from the regular Crafting Writs?

Was it easy to understand exactly what you were crafting?

Do you have any other general feedback?

Sunday - turned in 6 writs, received 1 Master Crafting Writ for Blacksmithing.

Last night - Turned in 6 writs, received Master Crafting Writs - Blacksmithing and Alchemy.

I thought the instructions were pretty clear for the Blacksmithing writs, maybe not so much for the Alchemy?

The first Blacksmith writ was for an Epic weapon, Daedric, Way of the Arena. Turned that in and got 1 writ voucher; at the time, all the items for purchase were still listed as 1 writ as well, so I don't know if that is going to be actual the return for similar writs.

The second Blacksmith writ was for a Lengendary Weapon, can't think of the set name now, but style was Aldemeri Dominion which I do not have, so I was going to skip it, then thought to check the crown store and found the motif there. Used 20 gold tempers (in addition to all the previous tempers to get to lengendary), and received 22 writ vouchers. Considering the materials cost, and purchasing the motif from the crown store, is that worth it?

The alchemy writ I couldn't get to work; I noticed other people have posted similar, so maybe the same issue.

I would not have done that Legendary writ if I had been on live.

I have been a subscriber since early access, so I'm not new. However, grinding and farming are not my thing. I'm pretty compulsive about harvesting as I'm questing, but even so I don't have that many Legendary tempers to throw away. I would be hesitant about Epic, to be honest.

As much as I love ESO, I have a full time job and other things in my life that take up time; I also enjoy sleep. So I only have so much time to spend playing. I don't want to spend the time I do have on farming mats, nor do I want to spend gold on them. For me, the returns are not worth it. The attunable crafting stations would be neat; it would be nice to not have to go hopping around when crafting gear, but quite honestly not worth it to me for the prices they are currently listed at.

I said something similar in the thread about furniture crafting, but I"ll repeat it here: Crafting is one of the things I love about ESO. We are not limited to picking one or two skill lines, and we can actually craft useful things without too much difficulty. However, it's the utility that's the big deal for me.

While I like the idea of providing something new for those players who've been around for awhile, who have already leveled the existing crafts, I'm not all that impressed with this offering. You can craft furniture to decorate a house, but none of it has any function (aside from being able to sit in a chair). And now you want me to throw away expensive materials for very little return. And people just starting out will have a long way to go if they want crafting stations for their houses. And yeah, maybe you can level all your crafts with a couple of hours and a bunch of gold, where is the fun in that?

Aldmera · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno

As General Feedback, I have an idea for these master crafting writ quests. Perhaps it would be possible to make a quest type not unlike the one for the thieves guild repeatable pickpocket quest where you traveled from area to area getting a better reward depending on how many areas you completed.

For Example... you could make a few (3-4) green tempered items of low trait knowledge sets and the first blue motifs and turn that in for a small amount of vouchers OR proceed to make 2-3 blue items from medium trait knowledge sets from slightly harder to come by purple motifs to turn in for a modest amount of vouchers, OR proceed to make 1-2 purple items of purple motifs and 8-9 trait knowledge sets for a large voucher reward. ( I still think requesting Gold tempering items and nirnhoned trait stones is asking too much, but it could be the last step for a very VERY large reward of vouchers.)

(I understand this would be hard to implement by the release of Homestead but it really would be a good setup to work on and patch in)

Joy_Division · January 2017

Panth141 wrote: »

The requirement for legendary improvement materials - though I can see why it was done - definitely leaves a sour taste in the mouth. As many people have noted, the prices for these materials on console particularly is absolutely ridiculous.

Aside from that, my biggest disappointment is that the Writ Vouchers aren't bankable - I haven't tested this, but it was indicated by an earlier poster. As per @Joy_Division very eloquent post, my crafting 'mastery' is spread across several characters. Setting up a single character who is a 'master' of all crafts would require just short of 100 skill points (97, if I count correctly) - and I don't have any characters with a 100 skill point surplus.

The consequence of all of this is that, doing Alchemy, Enchanting & Provisioning writs on one character, Blacksmithing & Clothing on another, and Woodworking, Alchemy & Provisioning on a third, I'm seemingly unable to take advantage of the 'mastery' of all three characters. Instead I have to collect Writ Vouchers on each of them and see which one obtains the number that I need first.

To make sure that my issue is clear, here's a very simple example:

Character 1 (Alchemy, Enchanting, Provisioner) is really lucky! By some blessing of the divines he gets a Master Writ for each of his three professions! Given the values on PTS, lets say that he completes them and is rewarded with 10 Vouchers in total.

Character 2 (Smith, Clothing) is given a Clothing Master Writ:

Rubedite Dagger; Legendary; Death's Wind; Yokudan

At great expense (>180,000 gold!) - he is able to complete the writ, and is awarded with 22 Writ Vouchers (as per PTS).

Character 3 (WW, Alchemy, Prov.) is also lucky and gets 3 writs! He makes his Alchemy and Provisioning items easily - another 4 vouchers. His WW Writ is:

Ruby Ash Shield; Legendary; Infused; Willow's Path; Barbaric

At another great expense (>140,000 gold...) he also completes the writ, and gets 9 (yes - nine) Writ Vouchers (as per PTS).

Now lets look at the summary here:

Expenditure = 320,000+ gold
Total Writ Voucher gains = 41

The cheapest items on the store (exc. Ebony style gem) cost 25 Writ Vouchers. But that's okay; I've got 45!
Except... Char 1 has 10, Char 2 has 22 and Char 3 has 13, and they can't share them.

So I've spent 320,000+ gold - an amount that could buy me a very pleasant home - and I'm unable to buy anything with my rewards, because they aren't bankable.

Now I'll tag @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom in here for their generally wonderful proactivity. I'll also pop @ZOS_RichLambert in here, and @Bel_Shezzar because of her (I think?!) incredibly helpful post previously.

In summary:
How much bloody money do you think I have? There's a gold-sink, then there's putting things out of reach of 99.99% of the playerbase with ridiculous material costs and bizarre rules for Writ Voucher banking. Please, please help us out here.

TY! I do wish the developers would answer the questions we are asking.

CombatPrayer · January 2017

I don't have any Yokudan motifs. I had done several quests in Craglorn (dailies) after the Tam one update and never got one. Decided to give it a try over the last few days and did about seven of these in total, not a single drop. For many of the others you can solo them but many of these are far too long to do solo if you can solo them (some really are not soloable) and the drop rate appears to be rather low as represented in the store by the price tags which is something like 40k - 100k. I do hope you plan on increasing that drop rate because acquiring takes a lot of in game time or gold. And they look to be one of the more common requests in the master writs.

Motifs should be dropping well enough that their price comes within reason. These things have been out for months now and they have not really budged in price. Same with a few other motifs but they don't look to be too common for Master Writs, thankfully. I know you wish to have this be a truly Master level thing, but it should be within reason. If the drop rates on these motifs are that low and often require groups that are hard to get going (not many really care about getting these things therefore dailies are hard to get done in craglorn), then it is quite out of balance whereas you could do mage, fighter's guilds and undaunted dailies to get the draugr. The drop rate appears to be more reasonable there as well.

Honestly it feels like acquiring these things is becoming a daily chore rather than a run aspect of gaming. I hope that is not what you are going for because that is when players quit the game and don't return for a very long time and cease to be cash cows for you to milk as well.

Akrasjel · January 2017

But also if the supply off stuff you can get thru vouchers won't be to high that means people that do them can price the so that they cover what they invested in to them and make profit.

Nutshotz · January 2017

Like most have stated on this thread, whether it be console or pc. The mere fact that they are asking us to use legendary mats when they have a low % drop rate is what people are upset about the most and or the cost of them. PC average 8-12k and console 20k+ for tempers.

There was a thread already linked from back in 2015 of someone refinining 30k raw mats and stating the % and yes the % is extremely low

I know I won't be doing the master writs cuz of the already poor RNG factor played even at max crafting on 4 toons and 1 toon that's my main crafter for crafting that has 80% of the motifs and 90% 9 traits.

Now should the vouchers, motifs, research timers and so forth be account wide? Yes. Most of us if not all have more than 2 crafters. So that would benefit all of us. Zos would still make there money. Win / win.

Just my two cents.

Hammy01 · January 2017

I was actually excited about crafting my own furniture for my home but if this goes live the way it is now then i won't craft a single thing... And i won't even look at a Master Writ. I play on Xbox 1 EU and crafting mats a very expensive, gold tempers are still 17k+... I would much rather use these on my gear / weapons.

I honestly think Zos will keep the crafting very expensive and then add things like Traget Dummies, Attunable crafting tables, etc to the crown store. So greedy and shameful to do this to a loyal playerbase.... If infact it does happen!

Stopnaggin · January 2017

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Also, I know the patch notes claim that these writs don't require 'Crown Exclusive' styles. However, if your missing some and they are in the crown store well...guess what? Now you got to plop out another $40 to buy it so you can do the writ. There were some motifs I just did not want to know because I was never going to ever use them *cough soul shriven* but now I have to go shell out the cash to do it? Clearly if I'm going to shell out cash, I'll just go buy the danged furniture in the crown store and be done with it. I can only imagine that a special backpack of tools from the writ voucher store is going to cost 100's of thousands to craft and if it is able to be sold it might well be nearly a $1 million backpack of tools? How silly is that?! I'll just furnish my house with straw bales..or...live on the PTS from now on...?

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

OMA · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

SpAEkus · January 2017

I just got Soul Shriven last two weeks on my CP grinder so I believe it is still there.

pragreal · January 2017

Panth141 wrote: »

The requirement for legendary improvement materials - though I can see why it was done - definitely leaves a sour taste in the mouth. As many people have noted, the prices for these materials on console particularly is absolutely ridiculous.

Aside from that, my biggest disappointment is that the Writ Vouchers aren't bankable - I haven't tested this, but it was indicated by an earlier poster. As per @Joy_Division very eloquent post, my crafting 'mastery' is spread across several characters. Setting up a single character who is a 'master' of all crafts would require just short of 100 skill points (97, if I count correctly) - and I don't have any characters with a 100 skill point surplus.

The voucher's aren't bankable, they are treated like currency except you can't store them in the bank, like AP points. The writs themselves are bankable however so you can move them to the correct crafting alt to craft them. However unless they treat the rewards more like other bankable currencies such as Tel Var stones it still penalizes multi-toon crafters.

Pragreal

pragreal · January 2017

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Writ Vouchers need to be able to transfer be treated as a currency like the telvar stones, I mean deposit in the bank, so my other characters can also contribute, maybe they know the skill and style needed to finish a writ. because...again...i didn't make a master crafter I made 4 specialists.

I second this otherwise you are penalizing people who (wisely in my opinion) spread their crafters across 2 or more alts, especially since all the houses and furniture are account wide anyway.

Pragreal

IcyDeadPeople · January 2017

Can you get these from any Writ Board in any zone? Or only the ones in Craglorn / Orsinium?

Stopnaggin · January 2017

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Yeah I did not like the changes from boe to bop on trials gear. And I'm not sure how the silver and gold work since one t , not sure if I want to do an 8th character to find out. It sure looks like they are pushing the crown store though.

Annalyse · January 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Can you get these from any Writ Board in any zone? Or only the ones in Craglorn / Orsinium?

If you mean the Master Writs, they are a chance reward from doing a normal writ (which you get from any board). It will be a tradeable item until you open it and activate the quest.

pragreal · January 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Can you get these from any Writ Board in any zone? Or only the ones in Craglorn / Orsinium?

If you mean the Master writs you don't pick them up anywhere. They are dropped as a reward (RNG based) from the normal max level writs that you turn in at Craglorn. Orsinium is no longer a writ drop off point.

Which brings up a point. As the devs had said they drop from max level writs does that mean they only drop from 1/2 the provisioning writs? Right now for provisioning 1/2 the time you get a max level 7 writ, 1/2 the time a Level 6 writ. Both writs turn in at Craglorn though so maybe that is the gating factor. I've only had 1 master provisioning writ drop and I don't remember which level the normal writ was. I'll have to see if I can get one from a level 6 to drop or not.

Pragreal

Tonnopesce · January 2017

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Tonnopesce wrote: »

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

But apperantly not retroactive. Which kinda sucks because 6 of the 8 toons I have were done before that change.

C4Bliss · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

But apperantly not retroactive. Which kinda sucks because 6 of the 8 toons I have were done before that change.

Yes it is... i finished silver and gold way before the motif and still got it the Day they released it

Tonnopesce · January 2017

C4Bliss wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

But apperantly not retroactive. Which kinda sucks because 6 of the 8 toons I have were done before that change.

Yes it is... i finished silver and gold way before the motif and still got it the Day they released it

Yep he is right

Akrasjel · January 2017

If possible can anyone show examples for Master Writs for Provisioning and Enchanting.

Sweetpea704 · January 2017

If I have to use legendary blacksmithing mats, my reward needs to be about a hundred of those voucher thingies. Make the rewards make sense with the cost of completing it.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

C4Bliss wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

But apperantly not retroactive. Which kinda sucks because 6 of the 8 toons I have were done before that change.

Yes it is... i finished silver and gold way before the motif and still got it the Day they released it

Hmm will have to check some of my older toons to see if it's there. Did it come as a book or was it just added to motif knowledge?

Faulgor · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

C4Bliss wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

kkordasb14_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Doesn't soul shriven drop from what used to be Cadwells silver? The only thing I see as a rip is the legendary upgrade mats. I wasn't forced to spend any money on motifs that are being used in these writs, although I do have both cs exclusive ones. So saying you "have" to buy them is incorrect. You can choose to buy them, purchase with gold or even farm them. I check kiosks all the time and find missing ones pretty cheap, bought 2 different drauher motifs for 5k ea yesterday. So they are available and cheap enough.

But seriously is the soul shrivel not available through Cadwell anymore?

I don't know I completed Cadwell's silver many moons ago...circa end of 2014 early 2015. I certainly never got any motifs for any of the Silver or Gold content. Just some measely gold and an achievement in the list a pat on the back and a buh bye.

On PTS I didn't have it and the guild stores aren't up so I bought it. On live...when I have maybe 150K gold to my name and have to supply legendary mats for a master writ...spend more for an entire set of a motif that makes me want to gag just looking at it? No. :P I'd rather spend gold on getting the rest of all my CP160 characters into gold gear...and that's a lot more gold than I have, doing just one wipes me out and then I"m off farming again for trade items, more mats and quest gold to get another one done. The good gear, dungeon gear, which I have tons of, is no longer tradeable...I've got a few million gold worth of those sets in my inventories but meh...I just conclude that they SAY that you can get all this stuff without crowns, while technically true, the cost to do this in game is so high that spending 400 crowns on an item will be so much EASIER than crafting several master writs. And that's the plan I'm sure!

Soul shriven motif is indeed avaible via the cadwell silver and if you don't have il you canot buy it from the stores since is a bop item

But apperantly not retroactive. Which kinda sucks because 6 of the 8 toons I have were done before that change.

Yes it is... i finished silver and gold way before the motif and still got it the Day they released it

Hmm will have to check some of my older toons to see if it's there. Did it come as a book or was it just added to motif knowledge?

It comes as a book, I believe per ingame mail. Including some of the style items (Azure Plasm).

VelociousLegend · January 2017

Two things that should be changed before master crafting writs go live:

Remove any legendary improvement requirements from master writs
Change motif collection to be account-wide opposed to per character basis

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