"Normal is for noobs"

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

This is a story about a random normal.

Normal spindle 2. We get one DPS who is CP 200, and sits there and heavy attacks, alternating that with jesus beam. We get one who just light attacks after using two abilities.

They couldn't pass bloodspawn unsuprisingly, but it was the conversation with the 200 DPS was the suprise. They were CP 200, and had no idea how to play. Where to get builds, what 'affected play' in their words. The friend who had got them into the game wouldn't help them and they were utterly disraught.

I sent them to a few build sites, but it stikes me how unplayer friendly one update has made this game. Noobs are geting put through a meatgrinder queuing for normal dungeons because the game does not tell them even remotely what an effective build setup is. This game -has- no place for new players because it seems like normal dungeons arrent it either.

Taylor_MB · December 2016

A simple note in the tutorial saying "damage is calculated off max stat and weapon/spell damage" would've been amazing. I went for soooooo long not knowing that. This is my first combat based MMO, so maybe that should be general knowledge, but I did not know of this for so long.

Woeler · December 2016

Noobs should find a guild instead of going into the dungeon finder unprepared. Because, you know, if you wanna learn something you gotta actually talk to people. (Crazy, I know right?)

Taylor_MB · December 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Noobs should find a guild instead of going into the dungeon finder unprepared. Because, you know, if you wanna learn something you gotta actually talk to people. (Crazy, I know right?)

Much disagree, it's exactly the people who don't have access to an active guild they enjoy who should use group finder.

Woeler · December 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Noobs should find a guild instead of going into the dungeon finder unprepared. Because, you know, if you wanna learn something you gotta actually talk to people. (Crazy, I know right?)

Much disagree, it's exactly the people who don't have access to an active guild they enjoy who should use group finder.

"Should find a guild"

FloppyTouch · December 2016

It's almost like "noobs" have no internet and access to google

Do people really not do any research into a game
Even before looking everything up online and seeing game play videos we used gamer magazines guides and walk throughs

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Noobs should find a guild instead of going into the dungeon finder unprepared. Because, you know, if you wanna learn something you gotta actually talk to people. (Crazy, I know right?)

Dunno about you, but I dont find a guild until I know I'ma actually put down roots in a game. If these people are just trying to get their foot in the door, see how it goes, this can and will screw them.

ArchMikem · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

It's almost like "noobs" have no internet and access to google

Do people really not do any research into a game
Even before looking everything up online and seeing game play videos we used gamer magazines guides and walk throughs

There are people who aren't very tech savvy or even have the mentality to do heavy research and thinking into game mechanics, they just plop the disk into the tray and start playing, thinking they'll get it. I used to be one of these people, but I eventually started digging more and more into just how to play my characters that would benefit me more.

Not to mention this game has a lot of older players. I mean no offense to this person but one of my guild members who's almost a CP400, is JUST NOW starting to try out Ability Rotations when fighting mobs, I and my GM spent a good while teaching her how weaving your attacks would make the best use of your possible DPS in a fight.

TheDarkRuler · December 2016

I play Random normal as CP561+.
Why? I like to relax at the end of the day and love how fast everything falls.
Ofc there are people with bad sets who are failing in normal. But imagine those in Vet.
Even worse!

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

It's 2016. People who don't Google things are stupid. Sorry to be so harsh but this goes for EVERYTHING, not just ESO. You have all of the world's available information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn anything from ESO builds, to installing hot water heaters, to what Spider 2 Y Banana means and all the way up to making creme brûlée or doing CPR. Just ask it.

Nyghthowler · December 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

It's 2016. People who don't Google things are stupid. Sorry to be so harsh but this goes for EVERYTHING, not just ESO. You have all of the world's available information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn anything from ESO builds, to installing hot water heaters, to what Spider 2 Y Banana means and all the way up to making creme brûlée or doing CPR. Just ask it.

Yeah, people who want to actually explore the game and not just look up all the answers should be burned at the stake!
/sarcasm

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

Nyghthowler wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

It's 2016. People who don't Google things are stupid. Sorry to be so harsh but this goes for EVERYTHING, not just ESO. You have all of the world's available information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn anything from ESO builds, to installing hot water heaters, to what Spider 2 Y Banana means and all the way up to making creme brûlée or doing CPR. Just ask it.

Yeah, people who want to actually explore the game and not just look up all the answers should be burned at the stake!
/sarcasm

Hardly. The OPs example was that these people didn't know anything because their friend who got them into the game refused to help them. Meanwhile they got to CP200 so chances are they had at least a month or three to figure out a solution other than relying on a crappy friend. If all that is true and no one thought to Google things as a potential solution they are in fact stupid.

Inhuman003 · December 2016

I give Deltia credit for helping noob's and old dogs to learn new tricks. But if people don't look for info and they will still be in the dark forever.

EldritchPenguin · December 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

It's 2016. People who don't Google things are stupid. Sorry to be so harsh but this goes for EVERYTHING, not just ESO. You have all of the world's available information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn anything from ESO builds, to installing hot water heaters, to what Spider 2 Y Banana means and all the way up to making creme brûlée or doing CPR. Just ask it.

Yeah, people who want to actually explore the game and not just look up all the answers should be burned at the stake!
/sarcasm

Hardly. The OPs example was that these people didn't know anything because their friend who got them into the game refused to help them. Meanwhile they got to CP200 so chances are they had at least a month or three to figure out a solution other than relying on a crappy friend. If all that is true and no one thought to Google things as a potential solution they are in fact stupid.

While this particular person should have reached out for help somewhere besides their prick of a friend for help with game mechanics, that's not to say that the game shouldn't have anything resembling a tutorial on how the game calculates ability damage and how to do a decent rotation, since, you know, these things are absolutely essential for being able to play the game adequately. Even board games come with rule books, so why is it excusable for a video game in 2016 to completely leave its players in the dark about how the game works?

FloppyTouch · December 2016

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

It's 2016. People who don't Google things are stupid. Sorry to be so harsh but this goes for EVERYTHING, not just ESO. You have all of the world's available information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn anything from ESO builds, to installing hot water heaters, to what Spider 2 Y Banana means and all the way up to making creme brûlée or doing CPR. Just ask it.

Yeah, people who want to actually explore the game and not just look up all the answers should be burned at the stake!
/sarcasm

Hardly. The OPs example was that these people didn't know anything because their friend who got them into the game refused to help them. Meanwhile they got to CP200 so chances are they had at least a month or three to figure out a solution other than relying on a crappy friend. If all that is true and no one thought to Google things as a potential solution they are in fact stupid.

While this particular person should have reached out for help somewhere besides their prick of a friend for help with game mechanics, that's not to say that the game shouldn't have anything resembling a tutorial on how the game calculates ability damage and how to do a decent rotation, since, you know, these things are absolutely essential for being able to play the game adequately. Even board games come with rule books, so why is it excusable for a video game in 2016 to completely leave its players in the dark about how the game works?

Rotation is up to the player not the game I don't know any mmo that tells you how you should play ur skills and character that's up to the player to find out. Best why to find out is to ask you know the mmo thing to do and b social and get good, or google bc you don't like to be social.

The game does not need to hold the player hands through everything. I agree that maybe saying ur damage and healing is based off ur max stat and wep/spell power could help but players really should look things up.

Vaoh · December 2016

Redirect to Deltia.

That man has helped so many noobs it's pretty incredible tbh. He's perfect for helping people learn the ropes and use easy but effective builds.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Redirect to Deltia.

That man has helped so many noobs it's pretty incredible tbh. He's perfect for helping people learn the ropes and use easy but effective builds.

I usually do, and did there. But quite frankly the fact this game has no sample builds and only a basic tutorial is shamefull and sad.

Glurin · December 2016

How do you get to CP 200 and not know that you need to do more than spam heavy or light attacks?

I mean, yes, I know it's possible to get to that level just spamming basic attacks. But unless you did it with a bot, that is a lot of time to stare at five skills on your bar, plus ultimate, plus however many there are available, yet not consider shuffling them together somehow. Even if it's a bad build with almost no synergy.

IronCrystal · December 2016

I agree that the game should explain what exactly gives you damage, but even myself coming from the last MMORPG being Runescape with no such mechanics knew that at least spell power gave magic damage. The only thing I didn't learn until later was that max stats also boosted damage.

This is also an MMORPG, which means its multiplayer. People are supposed to engage with others to teach each other the game. I have helped countless new players learn the ropes and craft training gear suited for them.

Any game with advanced mechanics should take some time to learn them. The game does explain this in the character sheet fyi, or at least on PC. I understand people are going to be lazy and not learn how to weapon swap, let alone weave and animation cancel (I have had lots of people ask why I use two different weapons). But getting gear and doing more than light attacking is not excusable. It's common knowledge that at least even having more magicka will help cast more spells, people aren't that dumb.

Banana · December 2016

Probably consolers.

raj72616a · December 2016

would be great if all skill tooltips explain what stats are the numbers scaled on

yodased · December 2016

Should be an explainer on the first attrobute points spent explaining exactly what putting points does for your character.

Simple explanation of red = life, blue = magic damage/heals, green = physical dmg/evasion/mitigation

IronCrystal · December 2016

raj72616a wrote: »

would be great if all skill tooltips explain what stats are the numbers scaled on

They changed it so that skills that cost magicka scale off magicka/spell power, skills that cost stamina scale off stamina/weapon power, etc. There may be a few exceptions to this but for the most part I believe this is currently true.

The only exception to this is ultimates since they cost ultimate.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Banana wrote: »

Probably consolers.

This was NA PC.

Path · December 2016

Pfft. Some just like to play, not study mechanics. Pretty world, pissy players.

Wolfshead · December 2016

I like those people in this post that just use Google as there answer that just show that those people just as afraid to interact with other as well and also that just tell me one thing that those people that use the word Google only care about themself and dont care about anyone one else but themself.

It is a shame how the MMO Community have went from help each other to i dont care about you damn if you mess up my game for them i go to forum whine and you should know that all about char are Google.

Also the game is not much of user friendly for new player at all then are not much off help text even SWTOR have info text in game pop up gave you run down on what have been add to later content both game mechanics and char update.

raj72616a · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

They changed it so that skills that cost magicka scale off magicka/spell power, skills that cost stamina scale off stamina/weapon power, etc. There may be a few exceptions to this but for the most part I believe this is currently true.

The only exception to this is ultimates since they cost ultimate.

problem is that many new players dont know what their skill damages are scaled to. and after learning that it scale to max stam / mag, i still dont know abt exceptions like Hardened Ward which only scale to magicka.

covenant_merchant · December 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Redirect to Deltia.

That man has helped so many noobs it's pretty incredible tbh. He's perfect for helping people learn the ropes and use easy but effective builds.

I usually do, and did there. But quite frankly the fact this game has no sample builds and only a basic tutorial is shamefull and sad.

The devs don't know themselves what's a good build (cf: infused shoulders for PVE at the golden vendor, desperate attempts to make hybrids viable, Restoration Staves of Alkosh, and the last dev who played the Thieves Guild quests on ESO live was ambushing into path of darkness. 'Nough said).

covenant_merchant · December 2016

raj72616a wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

They changed it so that skills that cost magicka scale off magicka/spell power, skills that cost stamina scale off stamina/weapon power, etc. There may be a few exceptions to this but for the most part I believe this is currently true.

The only exception to this is ultimates since they cost ultimate.

problem is that many new players dont know what their skill damages are scaled to. and after learning that it scale to max stam / mag, i still dont know abt exceptions like Hardened Ward which only scale to magicka.

It's written though. They spelled it out for you. If you bring your mouse to the appropriate statistic in the Character window it says that the value impacts the effectiveness of heals and damage you put out.

FoolishHuman · December 2016

You are all funny. If you "google" builds all you find is pro builds, old stuff, videos from 2014 and wikis that still have outdated skill description. The community here is a bit too small for that to work. There are almost no beginner guides around that help you understand the game. Just blindly copying a build won't really help you with that.
I wish this game had an official wiki, online handbook or something like that. Updated every patch by the community managers and trusted players. But I guess that is just too much to ask.
On the other hand it would be great if the community was a bit more patient with new people in dungeons, because getting kicked at every little problem also doesn't help with learning the game.

Acrolas · December 2016

What ESO players think they build:

What they've actually built:

Anybody thinking there's some sort of complex theory behind this game is just fooling themselves. We've just been around long enough to care a little bit more about the particulars of what we spam and what we wear. I sure didn't care my first year. I was too busy exploring and creating/deleting characters.

Life would be so much easier if everybody would just remember how uncompetitive they were at the beginning. Nobody needs to research and do homework. They just have to like the game enough to stick around. Then they can figure out which five Duplo blocks they want to put on each weapon bar.

And don't coach people during a pickup game. That doesn't make you a hero. That makes you an *** hole. Because pickup games aren't about winning. They're about trying things and having fun while failing. If people get bent out of shape, *** 'em. Non-organized groups don't need basic bros who can't set their pride aside for a little while and re-experience things through the eyes of a beginner. If you want a challenge or have a goal, group up accordingly.