Tell us when Crown Crates are being released (Announced)

[Deleted User] · December 2016

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Elsonso · December 2016

BuddyAces wrote: »

Whoops, my bad. Ya know, the whole time I was typing "he" I was wondering if I shouldn't have been posting *he/she* instead heh. To state that you are a girl and then talk about your boobies in the same sentence on the internet...well that takes balls so hats off to ya.

Just to lighten the mood... I am sensing a mixed message here.

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Just logged in for the first time since this patch. We really could do without the people bending down and rummaging through a chest looking for goodies on the screen. To me, that takes an already shady system down ever further by putting it in people's faces even if they don't want to join in.

Edit: Still cannot spell

Digging in inventory, or visiting the Crown Store, has been doing certain idle animations for quite a while. I think they introduced the Crown Store chest browsing in One Tamriel. Is there a special "communing with Pacrooti" idle animation, now?

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Cazzy · December 2016

That awkward moment you read this whilst playing a ZOS game:

Miaura · December 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Whoops, my bad. Ya know, the whole time I was typing "he" I was wondering if I shouldn't have been posting *he/she* instead heh. To state that you are a girl and then talk about your boobies in the same sentence on the internet...well that takes balls so hats off to ya.

Just to lighten the mood... I am sensing a mixed message here.

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Just logged in for the first time since this patch. We really could do without the people bending down and rummaging through a chest looking for goodies on the screen. To me, that takes an already shady system down ever further by putting it in people's faces even if they don't want to join in.

Edit: Still cannot spell

Digging in inventory, or visiting the Crown Store, has been doing certain idle animations for quite a while. I think they introduced the Crown Store chest browsing in One Tamriel. Is there a special "communing with Pacrooti" idle animation, now?

Chest browse anim I think is just for browsing the store. There is actually a new animation I saw where someone was suffling cards in their hand, they were next to me so I could see the tiny cards were indeed extremely detailed and looked alot like the crate cards I saw dealed by the scheaming Pacrooti when testing on PTS. A very nice looking animation in itself it was, suffling little cards..

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Junipus · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Some generalised assumptions and based on old PTS info, but assuming you have everything that it currently available in Crown Store it'd take you anywhere between $110 and $200 per atronach mount assuming you weren't lucky to get one from gambling.

That means after spending $100s on every cosmetic, costume and other item in the Crown Store you'd still need to fork out that much more at the very most for each of the 6-9 top tier items, or roughly $1500-$2000 per season, or per season of the whale.

Let the good times roll...

With the new features of gem conversion and apparent higher drop rate, this is pretty much debunked now.

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Some generalised assumptions and based on old PTS info, but assuming you have everything that it currently available in Crown Store it'd take you anywhere between $110 and $200 per atronach mount assuming you weren't lucky to get one from gambling.

That means after spending $100s on every cosmetic, costume and other item in the Crown Store you'd still need to fork out that much more at the very most for each of the 6-9 top tier items, or roughly $1500-$2000 per season, or per season of the whale.

Let the good times roll...

With the new features of gem conversion and apparent higher drop rate, this is pretty much debunked now.

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

Then the 2 people I know that did this are very unlucky. With little to nothing purchased from the gem stor before they were both at 150 dollars spent before they had a random Astro mount drop. Neither of them wanted the one they had drop. So another 40'dollars was enough to get them there gem wise.

It was strange watching 2 people side by side getting almost exactly the same rewards.

Junipus · December 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Some generalised assumptions and based on old PTS info, but assuming you have everything that it currently available in Crown Store it'd take you anywhere between $110 and $200 per atronach mount assuming you weren't lucky to get one from gambling.

That means after spending $100s on every cosmetic, costume and other item in the Crown Store you'd still need to fork out that much more at the very most for each of the 6-9 top tier items, or roughly $1500-$2000 per season, or per season of the whale.

Let the good times roll...

With the new features of gem conversion and apparent higher drop rate, this is pretty much debunked now.

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

Then the 2 people I know that did this are very unlucky. With little to nothing purchased from the gem stor before they were both at 150 dollars spent before they had a random Astro mount drop. Neither of them wanted the one they had drop. So another 40'dollars was enough to get them there gem wise.

It was strange watching 2 people side by side getting almost exactly the same rewards.

This is pretty much averaged out though. Some people have gotten 3-4 mounts from 5-6000 crowns, others have spent double that amount (or triple for Deltia) without anything. For such a large sample size with such poor measurement tools, a generalisation or average is always to be taken with a pinch of salt.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Some generalised assumptions and based on old PTS info, but assuming you have everything that it currently available in Crown Store it'd take you anywhere between $110 and $200 per atronach mount assuming you weren't lucky to get one from gambling.

That means after spending $100s on every cosmetic, costume and other item in the Crown Store you'd still need to fork out that much more at the very most for each of the 6-9 top tier items, or roughly $1500-$2000 per season, or per season of the whale.

Let the good times roll...

With the new features of gem conversion and apparent higher drop rate, this is pretty much debunked now.

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

Then the 2 people I know that did this are very unlucky. With little to nothing purchased from the gem stor before they were both at 150 dollars spent before they had a random Astro mount drop. Neither of them wanted the one they had drop. So another 40'dollars was enough to get them there gem wise.

It was strange watching 2 people side by side getting almost exactly the same rewards.

This is pretty much averaged out though. Some people have gotten 3-4 mounts from 5-6000 crowns, others have spent double that amount (or triple for Deltia) without anything. For such a large sample size with such poor measurement tools, a generalisation or average is always to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Oh i agree. Rng is rng and it will be different for different people. I was posting more just because of the line that you would be able to get a storm atro for as little as 100.

With 2 direct examples of 2 people with not a lot purchased and going for a specific mount and not being able to do it until around 190 dollars spent for both, i just wanted to put it out there.

So people were aware that 100 dollars would in no way guarantee the apex mount you want.

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Elsonso · December 2016

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

As little as $100?. I must be old but I don't consider $100 to be a little price to own some coloured pixels on a screen. It is a lot of money for a virtual item which will vanish the day they turn the servers off. Could I afford $100 - yes. Would I pay that for a mount - hell no. Whole games cost $40-50!

Par for the course in an online game. Years of annual subscriptions to a game results in the same thing. Only by playing F2P games, and then steadfastly refusing to spend a dime in their store, can one escape this fate.

ScooberSteve · December 2016

spent no money bought 4 crates won a mount. win win

Junipus · December 2016

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

As little as $100?.

Only when compared to my previous guesstimate of up to $200.

Both are ridiculously expensive, but then there's people out there with that kind of disposable income to spend on a game. Beyond that it's getting into some ridiculously deep, complicated and off-topic territory.

Elsonso · December 2016

ScooberSteve wrote: »

spent no money bought 4 crates won a mount. win win

I wish someone would give me free Crowns.

Not for Crown Crates, just for the Store.

FloppyTouch · December 2016

Still think it's funny the ppl against this think it's the end of the game please let's wait and see or better yet in one year save this post I just made and slap me in the face if I'm wrong but I know I'm not it's just silly ur making mountains out of mole hills

Morbidchemical · December 2016

ZOS, change the title of this thread if this is going to be the formal feedback for crown crates and make it a sticky, stop closing thread's when people are legitimately trying to give feedback. Seems like you're trying to silence the masses that think this new feature is a scam

Recremen · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Some generalised assumptions and based on old PTS info, but assuming you have everything that it currently available in Crown Store it'd take you anywhere between $110 and $200 per atronach mount assuming you weren't lucky to get one from gambling.

That means after spending $100s on every cosmetic, costume and other item in the Crown Store you'd still need to fork out that much more at the very most for each of the 6-9 top tier items, or roughly $1500-$2000 per season, or per season of the whale.

Let the good times roll...

With the new features of gem conversion and apparent higher drop rate, this is pretty much debunked now.

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

Then the 2 people I know that did this are very unlucky. With little to nothing purchased from the gem stor before they were both at 150 dollars spent before they had a random Astro mount drop. Neither of them wanted the one they had drop. So another 40'dollars was enough to get them there gem wise.

It was strange watching 2 people side by side getting almost exactly the same rewards.

This is pretty much averaged out though. Some people have gotten 3-4 mounts from 5-6000 crowns, others have spent double that amount (or triple for Deltia) without anything. For such a large sample size with such poor measurement tools, a generalisation or average is always to be taken with a pinch of salt.

That's rather my objection to the gambling boxes to begin with. Investment is not directly correlated with reward, but reward is instead distributed randomly among participants. I don't care that some people get really lucky when there are other people that aren't getting what they're after. It's the inherently exploitative facet of gambling systems, and why direct purchase is the only ethical system.

Legoless · December 2016

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

Dakrana_Thrazvoth · December 2016

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

Elsonso · December 2016

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

Go lizard, or go home!

Accessory junk is why I don't like ZOS bundles, and Crates are bundles. At least consumables can be traded in, unlike the Black Fredas bundle.

Cazzy · December 2016

Aerin wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

"Future". When's that?

Abeille · December 2016

Aerin wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

That's pretty good news.

I just wish they had listened to this piece of feedback when the crates were being tested. You know, before people spent their actual money on them.

Because this is something that we asked for over and over again.

Rosveen · December 2016

Aerin wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

This kind of thing makes me wonder why the PTS exists at all.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

The "I bough x crates and got trash only" are already popping, but now I don't have the heart to post my "I told you so" gifs. I'm feeling sorry for them and don't want to make things worse.

True but also a lot of people are getting everything they want. Its RNG, they knew they were paying for it.
I have yet to see anyone post about things that are P2W or better than what is in game.

Hopefully ZOS makes tons of money and pumps it right back into the game. Only time will tell... I am just not making any knee jerk reactions at this time.

I am not for the crates but if they do not "harm" or "take us down the side of evil" then let them be what they are now. We will see.

P2W should not be the bar, when as customers did we set the bar so low?

They (crates) exploit/trick people into spending more money on items than they otherwise would. In my book they've crossed that line already.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

Or the price of 2 full video games. GG, we've officially been ****** and around half the playerbase is asking for more.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Seems that you'd be able to get an atronach with poor RNG and no prior purchases with as little as $100

As little as $100?. I must be old but I don't consider $100 to be a little price to own some coloured pixels on a screen. It is a lot of money for a virtual item which will vanish the day they turn the servers off. Could I afford $100 - yes. Would I pay that for a mount - hell no. Whole games cost $40-50!

Par for the course in an online game. Years of annual subscriptions to a game results in the same thing. Only by playing F2P games, and then steadfastly refusing to spend a dime in their store, can one escape this fate.

I would take subs, and all of the regular content development and in-game obtainable items over these shady practices any day of the week.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

"Future". When's that?

It means after the PTS when everyone complained about the same thing. But not before people spent money on things ZOS knew would annoy them and people had specifically asked them to remove.

Cazzy · December 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

Aerin wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Being unable to convert unwanted collectibles is hugely frustrating. What am I meant to do with Argonian accessories?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I do want to add one thing that I forgot, ZOS should remove certain things like racial/gender styles that you do not meet the requirements for. Example would be the Argonian style well none of my characters are a lizard and I only play a Redguard and a Brenton so I should receive anything that is related to that style; other than that I believe it's fine.

We're looking into removing race-specific items in future Crown Crate seasons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3568428#Comment_3568428

"Future". When's that?

It means after the PTS when everyone complained about the same thing. But not before people spent money on things ZOS knew would annoy them and people had specifically asked them to remove.

*high five*

Cousin_Idirfa · December 2016

It's no wonder ZOS is not worried about losing subs or loyal players. They have removed the ceiling to the amount of money players can dump into this game, and players are dumping.

Posts about buying 30, 40 or more crates, and posts about spending $100, $200 or more. The subs and regular crown store purchases and the box sales are a pittance compared to the money players are dumping into these crates.

Going forward I can't help but wonder what the motivation will be for spending thousands of development hours on a new expansion and charging an outright price for it, when they can spend a tiny fraction of the development time on more crown crate items and make more money.

I worry about our hobby. Content driven profits are being replaced with shady, exploitive games of chance. It seems MMOs are becoming less about what players can do in game, and more about how much players are spending in the store.