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Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sunday night DK spent its evening pushing EP at Kings, Farragut and Arrius. Opened a gate at one point just to laugh our tails off. We even made a run at Chal in hopes that DC would take it; actually did and it was hilarious. We ran out as fast as we could and DC chased us down. Point play is critical at this early stage of the campaign. Every point we can gain or take away or give matters in the larger scheme of tri faction warfare. In all honesty it felt really good to put pressure on EP the way we did Sunday night. The South was peaceful, our scrolls were secure and the fighting stayed in the center. It actually felt like a real 3 way war as it should. Hope everyone had a great evening of entertainment.
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Astanphaeus✭✭✭✭✭I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.
Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.
That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.
If you want a tip, AD only ever takes Drake/Cropsford to stop EP from attacking Fare/BM constantly. We take Sej for the same reason you take Alessia, to stop bridge fighting.
We only hit your home keeps cause you hit our home keeps?
Perhaps both sides naturally push each based off of gameplay mechanics and map design of Cyrodiil. Asking one faction not to push the other is silly and rarely works.
I'm not saying don't do that. My only point is that if you're going to consistently attack back keeps several times every day through use of the town (why does AD have two towns within walking distance of scroll keeps) then obviously there is going to be a concerted effort to make sure you have control over it as little as possible. It's not even the natural flow of fighting, as that is centered around the ring.
EP doesn't use Cropford for that, or at least PM doesn't. It is barely closer to you than Drake is and just isn't worth death porting to for the difference.3 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Just watched 16-20 DC take 3 keeps, one right after another that were undefended except by maybe 3 people. Guess where EP was...Allessia bridge the entire time.Edited by Armitas on November 29, 2016 12:14PMRetired.
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✭Just watched 16-20 DC take 3 keeps, one right after another that were undefended except by maybe 3 people. Guess where EP was...Allessia bridge the entire time.
It seems to me that EP has a very large portion of people who only care about ap farming. And that's fine, Ap farming is fine, I've done my fair share this past weekend. And DC has plenty of people only concerned with lining their own pockets with ap, worried only about the LB and not the map. But EP seems to be crowded with those folks. There is a way to ap farm and assist map objectives for your faction at the same time...but you have to analyze where to go and make judgment calls and talk to guild leaders about where they would like you to gank. Ep at Allessia bridge isn't helping map objectives for their faction at all. Sure sure the ap might be tasty but it's totally self serving.1 -
boundsy88✭✭✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.1 -
Psilent✭✭✭✭✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
That campaign needs an update on scoring mechanics and to last 30 days. It might get more attention if points were earned from more than just resources.
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warpower9✭✭Waves to friends! Dodges haters... From my perspective "playing the map' is dead. I also feel slightly responsible for starting the idea of running multiple raids at once. I didn't really see anyone else doing it when I started but it seems the norm now. Certain people say proc sets are ruining pvp but tbh there is a lot of issues in cyrodiil. I don't think anyone plays for fun much anymore. AP farming is annoying imo. There seems to be a lot of the same across all factions. Cheat engine has and is and will be a problem to some degree. Some of the *** is ZOS fault I agree , but maybe ALL of us need to rethink what we want to do in cyrodiil when we go out there. You choose not to play the map , hold a defense at a strategic keep or go for the long ride to get a sucker punch in.....there are no rules to war you can choose to do different. I actually gave up at a certain point cause people don't listen and everyone does whatever floats their boat. It may be to late for me to do any real good for EP , faction loyalty is non existent imo. To bad real life keeps me from playing when I want to or I would gladly run with anyone who wanted to group 4EP. Bottom line there is no I in team and 1 man can't win a campaign. And forum wars do not solve anything. Get out there buy some siege and work together in small teams big teams or as a solo zerg surfer. thanks for the fun times in the past yours truly......SUPERNOOB!0
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
That campaign needs an update on scoring mechanics and to last 30 days. It might get more attention if points were earned from more than just resources.
Or they should do this instead:
- remove doors from keeps,
- make any faction able to port to the keep if you have all three resources,
- keep campaign duration the same as it is now
- make towns add to the point system.
Why make Haderus into another keep-keep zerg fest when it can be a resource-resource zerg fest lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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NACtron✭✭✭✭✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
Stop with that crap please. You have plenty of numbers. Get then off the bridge or out of nickel farming.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
Stop with that crap please. You have plenty of numbers. Get then off the bridge or out of nickel farming.
Yea they definitely had the numbers last night to hit both warden+bleaks while they rushed south to try to retake their scroll.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »Just watched 16-20 DC take 3 keeps, one right after another that were undefended except by maybe 3 people. Guess where EP was...Allessia bridge the entire time.
It seems to me that EP has a very large portion of people who only care about ap farming. And that's fine, Ap farming is fine, I've done my fair share this past weekend. And DC has plenty of people only concerned with lining their own pockets with ap, worried only about the LB and not the map. But EP seems to be crowded with those folks. There is a way to ap farm and assist map objectives for your faction at the same time...but you have to analyze where to go and make judgment calls and talk to guild leaders about where they would like you to gank. Ep at Allessia bridge isn't helping map objectives for their faction at all. Sure sure the ap might be tasty but it's totally self serving.
Sir, bridge fights are the best. Don't bash on them thank you.0 -
NACtron✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
Stop with that crap please. You have plenty of numbers. Get then off the bridge or out of nickel farming.
This is true during primetime and on and off in the afternoon. However in TF late night and early morning we struggle with both numbers and organization. So if there is some organized EP group on haddy during the non primetime hours taking keeps their abilities would be of better use in TF. Where EP is struggling to perform outside of primetime.Edited by NACtron on November 30, 2016 6:15PMPact Militia GM
Nikolai the Nord - Stamplar0 -
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✭Having more people will not keep you out of third place. The EP logic at play here is...blue is in first.... guys lets go hit yellow. Let's go to blood mayne and black boot because... they are in second place. Then we will anger AD who will pound on us all night keeping us in third place while blue enjoys their lead. That's EP logic...
BTW... how has that worked out for you? It's a rehetorical question, in case you were wondering.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.3 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
If you really wanna know why EP loses. 2 guilds zerg together most of the night (PM and Haxus) By now we can just call Haxus a part of pact militia. Invictus only seems to care about farming pugs and not playing the map. (BTW playing the map doesn't mean bridge farm) I've seen pact milita on the bridge even after dc has taken chal and brk. As long as EP has sej there will be zergling on the bridge.
I don't know what time zone you are on, but from 12-4am est ep is usually pop locked.Edited by kyle.wilson on November 30, 2016 11:54PM2 -
NACtron✭✭✭✭✭Having more people will not keep you out of third place. The EP logic at play here is...blue is in first.... guys lets go hit yellow. Let's go to blood mayne and black boot because... they are in second place. Then we will anger AD who will pound on us all night keeping us in third place while blue enjoys their lead. That's EP logic...
BTW... how has that worked out for you? It's a rehetorical question, in case you were wondering.
I've said this before but I will say this again. AD gets focused by EP at the start of the night cause you often have Sej and BRK/Drake at the start of primetime If you do not want to get focused when all the primetime guilds log in then quit setting yourselves up for it by taking keeps in the afternoon.
Of course you could always just play the game, take your keeps back and defend the ground you've taken but that is harder than writing about it on the forums sadly.Edited by NACtron on December 1, 2016 6:07AMPact Militia GM
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Celas_Dranacea✭✭✭✭✭Having more people will not keep you out of third place. The EP logic at play here is...blue is in first.... guys lets go hit yellow. Let's go to blood mayne and black boot because... they are in second place. Then we will anger AD who will pound on us all night keeping us in third place while blue enjoys their lead. That's EP logic...
BTW... how has that worked out for you? It's a rehetorical question, in case you were wondering.
I've said this before but I will say this again. AD gets focused by EP at the start of the night cause you often have Sej and BRK/Drake at the start of primetime If you do not want to get focused when all the primetime guilds log in then quit setting yourselves up for it by taking keeps in the afternoon.
Of course you could always just play the game, take your keeps back and defend the ground you've taken but that is harder than writing about it on the forums sadly.
It's hard to resist the violent urge to smash EP sometimes - after we've been getting hit at Fare, Allessia and/or BM for hours and when the tables finally turn.
However, at least personally, when that moment comes I do resist the urge sometimes to - somewhat grudgingly - try to encourage AD to lay off of Red for awhile to let y'all have some peace and focus our efforts on DC because they are currently the long term threat.
I'm sure other factions have similar moments.
Blue has won almost 3 campaigns now and it's been a good show, they've done a great job. For now though, I think campaign wise it may be in our mutual interest to try to get them in last place.A Bosmer Nightblade Werewolf0 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
If you really wanna know why EP loses. 2 guilds zerg together most of the night (PM and Haxus) By now we can just call Haxus a part of pact militia. Invictus only seems to care about farming pugs and not playing the map. (BTW playing the map doesn't mean bridge farm) I've seen pact milita on the bridge even after dc has taken chal and brk. As long as EP has sej there will be zergling on the bridge.
I don't know what time zone you are on, but from 12-4am est ep is usually pop locked.
We go and play the map plenty. Our early afternoon crew focuses on objectives a ton. We just get sick of getting faction zerged everywhere we go. Just sayin'.Edited by DisgracefulMind on December 1, 2016 7:29AMUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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ScooberSteve✭✭✭✭They should assign people an alliance when entering cyrodiil based on the balance of people skirmishing?0
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Blue has won almost 3 campaigns now and it's been a good show, they've done a great job. For now though, I think campaign wise it may be in our mutual interest to try to get them in last place.
So AD can have first place with the help of EP? And EP gets what? Your eternal gratitude in the forum of zerging them down once you're in first place?
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »Invictus only seems to care about farming pugs and not playing the map.
We have a cap of 16 players in a group. When we go off to one side of the map we are holding 30-40 of the enemy faction on us, sometimes both factions. We are hoping the rest of the EP will capitalize on that opportunity rather than wait for us to take a keep. When we finally die we check the map to see how EP has used the opportunity and all we see is cross swords at the bridge.Edited by Armitas on December 1, 2016 1:23PMRetired.
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »maybe EP should call the emp night cap group from haderus over to help out. all they do is literally sit in a dead campaign 24/7 and zerg down anything that lights up whether it be a resource or a keep or whatever.
EP could certainly use help in TF in the late night hours. If the EP in Haddy ever get bored know that we could use your help
Stop with that crap please. You have plenty of numbers. Get then off the bridge or out of nickel farming.
This is true during primetime and on and off in the afternoon. However in TF late night and early morning we struggle with both numbers and organization. So if there is some organized EP group on haddy during the non primetime hours taking keeps their abilities would be of better use in TF. Where EP is struggling to perform outside of primetime.
Which only matters if winning a campaign mattered.
With numbers changing constantly thats impossible unless they locked campains to different 12 hour blocks or something. Someone suggested that in another thread. I thought that was a terrific idea.
We can control behavior during primetime. Wish there was more competutive guilds like before and actual 3 faction fighting.0 -
Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well pages 5 and 6 seem to be about bridge farming. Not a total waste of time or energy but certainly not worth complaining over especially since it has not changed in what 2 years; The bridge is still the same until ZOS chooses to change it. Which in fact should have been the focus of the million posts about it over the last 2 years. I'm not saying take it out of the game or blow it up or even turn it into a draw bridge, all they need to do is widen the river and widen the bridge make it longer and make it so players cant swim across without being eaten by slaughter fish. If they widen it players will be able to actually use the natural geography as a barrier and then the bridge will mean something. I look at the bridges the same way i look at the gates. The only difference with the bridges is you can pass underneath them and you cant bypass the gates without being forced to use another gate. If ZOS would have given some attention to detail in the beginning the whole bridge thing would have never been an issue.
But lets talk about the real issue OF THIS THREAD. EP doesn't need more players, they need smarter players. DC winning by a 200 point lead now. AD and EP changing second place daily. At what point will EP recognize that AD and EP goals are not mutually exclusive. AD wants to knock DC out of the winning spot. EP want's to win a campaign. The only way for this to happen is to take pts away from DC daily during prime time. The south does not hold enough pts to allow EP to win a campaign (look at the last 3 or 4 you have lost). In order to win DC must be pushed daily. DC will cry team Orange, but face it, you win 3 or 4 campaign in a row on the only competitive server and team orange is what you get. (This is called a cause and effect relationship) I'm just going to shake my head till someone smart enough to organize EP realizes this.Edited by Anazasi on December 1, 2016 1:54PM0 -
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✭✭Well pages 5 and 6 seem to be about bridge farming. Not a total waste of time or energy but certainly not worth complaining over especially since it has not changed in what 2 years; The bridge is still the same until ZOS chooses to change it. Which in fact should have been the focus of the million posts about it over the last 2 years. I'm not saying take it out of the game or blow it up or even turn it into a draw bridge, all they need to do is widen the river and widen the bridge make it longer and make it so players cant swim across without being eaten by slaughter fish. If they widen it players will be able to actually use the natural geography as a barrier and then the bridge will mean something. I look at the bridges the same way i look at the gates. The only difference with the bridges is you can pass underneath them and you cant bypass the gates without being forced to use another gate. If ZOS would have given some attention to detail in the beginning the whole bridge thing would have never been an issue.
But lets talk about the real issue OF THIS THREAD. EP doesn't need more players, they need smarter players. DC winning by a 200 point lead now. AD and EP changing second place daily. At what point will EP recognize that AD and EP goals are not mutually exclusive. AD wants to knock DC out of the winning spot. EP want's to win a campaign. The only way for this to happen is to take pts away from DC daily during prime time. The south does not hold enough pts to allow EP to win a campaign (look at the last 3 or 4 you have lost). In order to win DC must be pushed daily. DC will cry team Orange, but face it, you win 3 or 4 campaign in a row on the only competitive server and team orange is what you get. (This is called a cause and effect relationship) I'm just going to shake my head till someone smart enough to organize EP realizes this.
Lol...trying to get red to fight for you. If I was red, I'd just make sure you guys lost.7 -
Celas_Dranacea✭✭✭✭✭I dunno, seems logical for the other two factions to try and push the faction that has won 3 times in a row. Another logical thing would be if 1-2 of DC teams moved to another server for a couple of weeks to give other factions a sporting head start, like AD did when we won 3 in a row.
But hey if y'all don't wanna do that I'm not gonna complain... Everyone's entitled to do whatever they like. I'm having fun regardless. Edited by Celas_Dranacea on December 1, 2016 3:23PMA Bosmer Nightblade Werewolf0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I won't speak for the other EP, but I rarely play the AvA scoring system because it is not fun.
Let's say I want to push EP's score so, yeah, spread out and take Bloodmayne's LM right before the eval. Fine. I've done that. How boring. Riding there and capping the resource by yourself is not a trivial investment of your time. You are going to want to get there early just in case you don't miss the eval and it takes a while for a single person to flip that flag. Then pretty much the only choice to get back is to suicide (which I despise) and take takes forever because ZoS refuses to make the NPCs remotely threatening. No thanks. I have to get up at 6AM for work. If that's your idea of fun, have at it. I'll stay at the Bridge, dumping oil on AD heads. It's much more fun. Sorry if I'm not contributing to EP's alliance score.
If I am one single person, which I typically am when I play my EP, there just isn't much I can do. OK, Chalman and its resources are Blue. Should I go to the north wall and set up a trebuchet? Take the farm and wait for 20 DC in the keep looking at their map to zerg me down? The only way I pretty much am going to have any impact on that score is if I wait for the "zerg" to show up at Chalman and take part in the offensive. More waiting. No thanks. Go to Sej and ride to the bridge. At least there are people to fight. Even better if I can dump oil on their heads. One time I got a 50 KB streak just by dumping oil on people's heads on the Bridge, so high the author of the kill counter stopped adding those phrases like "mass murderer" and "blood drinker." It must be a lot of fun since people keep taking my oils
Whoever designed and built the actual geography/landscape of Cyordiil should sue ZoS for damages or something. Seriously, it's such a beautiful map with such intricate details even way way far off in the corners of the map nobody has any reasons to go. And 90% of it is not used because there is zero reason or incentive to go there. I just laugh when people claim that getting rid of AoE caps or some other combat change will help stop the zerging/faction stacking. No it won't. You can make all the combat changes in the game that you want, I am still not riding to Bloodmayne LM to flip it before the score timer just to get my alliance a net of 3 points. Sorry Warlord Zimmeron for not being the good EP soldier. Instead I will go to the siege merchant and buy oils so I don't run out of them on the bridge.Edited by Joy_Division on December 1, 2016 2:56PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
Celas_Dranacea✭✭✭✭✭Well pages 5 and 6 seem to be about bridge farming. Not a total waste of time or energy but certainly not worth complaining over especially since it has not changed in what 2 years; The bridge is still the same until ZOS chooses to change it. Which in fact should have been the focus of the million posts about it over the last 2 years. I'm not saying take it out of the game or blow it up or even turn it into a draw bridge, all they need to do is widen the river and widen the bridge make it longer and make it so players cant swim across without being eaten by slaughter fish. If they widen it players will be able to actually use the natural geography as a barrier and then the bridge will mean something. I look at the bridges the same way i look at the gates. The only difference with the bridges is you can pass underneath them and you cant bypass the gates without being forced to use another gate. If ZOS would have given some attention to detail in the beginning the whole bridge thing would have never been an issue.
But lets talk about the real issue OF THIS THREAD. EP doesn't need more players, they need smarter players. DC winning by a 200 point lead now. AD and EP changing second place daily. At what point will EP recognize that AD and EP goals are not mutually exclusive. AD wants to knock DC out of the winning spot. EP want's to win a campaign. The only way for this to happen is to take pts away from DC daily during prime time. The south does not hold enough pts to allow EP to win a campaign (look at the last 3 or 4 you have lost). In order to win DC must be pushed daily. DC will cry team Orange, but face it, you win 3 or 4 campaign in a row on the only competitive server and team orange is what you get. (This is called a cause and effect relationship) I'm just going to shake my head till someone smart enough to organize EP realizes this.
Lol...trying to get red to fight for you. If I was red, I'd just make sure you guys lost.
If I was red, I would make sure AD lost as well - I'd also be trying to make sure red wins and the only way to do that is to make sure DC does not.Edited by Celas_Dranacea on December 1, 2016 4:42PMA Bosmer Nightblade Werewolf0