EP Calls for Aid (PC/NA TF)

Rohamad_Ali

Ernest145 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Rohamed whoever you are missed my point that it's hard to pull people away from the bridge so you have to force it sometimes bc zone chat shaming doesn't work

It's not that hard to pull people from the bridge , you just have to know how to talk to people instead of talking down to people .

Lol I welcome you to come and try to get EP off the bridge. Most people are nice in zone chat and try to get them off to take/defend chal yet they don't listen. They just do not want to leave the bridge for good reason since ad just throws themselves at it.

If I taught you that you'd get Emperor even more and EP doesn't need anymore help , you guys are more then capable of bringing back the glory days of your faction on your own without advice from simple Khajiit .

antihero727

I seen a few old time names last night. It was great to get another killing blow on Richard again. It's been to long. Now that we have accepted the 50 group is the new meta and aren't capping 24 anymore the fights are going to get interesting. See you Sunday!!!

SkylarkX

80-90% of the players across all factions don't think like the people in this thread seem to assume, they're just there to have fun and they follow what's in front of them - whether it's a bridge fight, flagged keep or swords on the map. Pointing fingers on the forums or getting frustrated behind your computer screen while you're running around in pvp is just an L2communicate issue.

If you want to see smarter things happening on the map, communicate constructively in zone, inspire the players, start a group and give them a crown to follow. Create an environment within your campaign that is conducive to success. Time and time again that's been the key - all these threads are is a whinge fest until someone decides to make the effort.

Telel

SkylarkX wrote: »

80-90% of the players across all factions don't think like the people in this thread seem to assume, they're just there to have fun and they follow what's in front of them - whether it's a bridge fight, flagged keep or swords on the map. Pointing fingers on the forums or getting frustrated behind your computer screen while you're running around in pvp is just an L2communicate issue.

If you want to see smarter things happening on the map, communicate constructively in zone, inspire the players, start a group and give them a crown to follow. Create an environment within your campaign that is conducive to success. Time and time again that's been the key - all these threads are is a whinge fest until someone decides to make the effort.

Been there , camped that, murdered the mid-boss who drops the T-shirt.

People are still on the bridge helping their friends level up their EP toons and clogging up the queue instead of going to a less active server.

Rohamad_Ali

SkylarkX wrote: »

80-90% of the players across all factions don't think like the people in this thread seem to assume, they're just there to have fun and they follow what's in front of them - whether it's a bridge fight, flagged keep or swords on the map. Pointing fingers on the forums or getting frustrated behind your computer screen while you're running around in pvp is just an L2communicate issue.

If you want to see smarter things happening on the map, communicate constructively in zone, inspire the players, start a group and give them a crown to follow. Create an environment within your campaign that is conducive to success. Time and time again that's been the key - all these threads are is a whinge fest until someone decides to make the effort.

This is the truth . People have mocked leaders for picking up randoms in the past and I know why . Many leaders that pick up randoms just take them straight to a battle a guild is already engaged in and this just creates a Zerg . When randoms are picked up and help take a new objective , everybody in the faction wins . It's constructive use of random players that make a difference for a campaign and separate good leaders from pug leaders .

God_flakes

Ernest145 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

AD gets what's coming to them primetime, it was pretty funny last night when we took alessia and AD spent their whole defense fighting from the farm like we owned the keep, and basically held off all of AD during primetime at alessia until DC finally figured out what was going on and pushes south. Again, nik is right people are going to push south when AD sticks 150 people in BRK for hours and triggers the faction, or runs multiple 24 man blobs into sej. If we had this problem with DC then we would push them. TBH we got pretty frustrated with DC last night that EP was not pushing ales with organized guilds and gave them every opportunity to get ash back and take the pressure off of us and yet they continued to push bleakers. When it's primetime EP is probably strongest faction when we are on the same page but we spend all of primetime cleaning up the mess of the rest of the day which is what nik is talking about. And let's be honest everyone hates AD and wants to push them and sometimes you have to suck it up and go lag in alessia to close the bridge and get people to do other things.

Says the person sitting in the fat zerg. Says the person who's faction moves as an entire unit. Says the person who literally won't push Chalman to the point ZOS is reworking the coding to rename it Fort Chalman. He wonders why and gets frustrated by another faction stacking to attack an enemy keep when they don't even have their own home keeps. It must only be okay for him and his faction to do such things. I agree, EP is very strong when they're all on the same page = faction stack.

Seriously Force take your zerg goggles off already.

Force Siphon and I have this weird habit of always crossing paths in pvp. I almost never see him in a zerg or zerfing.

I don't get why it matters who zergs and who doesn't. I've seen literally everyone zerg, people posting in this forum post and "small scalers" who talk crap about zergs but do it themselves. This isn't directly towards you Jauriel I'm just speaking in general. Every faction stacks together at times to win so using that as an argument or to insult others is dumb.

Invictus capped faregyle alone and we decided to hold it, AD was too distracted with us so DC took ash, nikel, roe, and brindle. EP was still fighting around bleakers and chal, I'm not sure what group did but they took BM. From there people realized AD was the ideal target to cap scrolls and just moved south. I don't see why EP or DC would send raids at each other when the opportunity is right there to cap scrolls, especially with DC wanting to keep first place.

EP knew there was no possible to way to get first place before the campaign ends so obviously they weren't concerned with how much score DC was gaining. People really need to stop complaining and just play the game (even though it's in a horrible place right now). If you are getting double teamed for a few hours then who cares, people decide where to go and fight for whatever reason. Nobody is secretly conspiring on focusing a certain faction only, so no point in whining on the forums.

You're totally right! We are all filthy zergers at some point, even if unintentionally. We all live in glass houses.

Manoekin

I've never zerged. Don't lump me in with that rabble.

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

I've never zerged. Don't lump me in with that rabble.

Awe it's ok, you can admit it to us even if you can't admit it to yourself.

Telel

God_flakes wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

AD gets what's coming to them primetime, it was pretty funny last night when we took alessia and AD spent their whole defense fighting from the farm like we owned the keep, and basically held off all of AD during primetime at alessia until DC finally figured out what was going on and pushes south. Again, nik is right people are going to push south when AD sticks 150 people in BRK for hours and triggers the faction, or runs multiple 24 man blobs into sej. If we had this problem with DC then we would push them. TBH we got pretty frustrated with DC last night that EP was not pushing ales with organized guilds and gave them every opportunity to get ash back and take the pressure off of us and yet they continued to push bleakers. When it's primetime EP is probably strongest faction when we are on the same page but we spend all of primetime cleaning up the mess of the rest of the day which is what nik is talking about. And let's be honest everyone hates AD and wants to push them and sometimes you have to suck it up and go lag in alessia to close the bridge and get people to do other things.

Says the person sitting in the fat zerg. Says the person who's faction moves as an entire unit. Says the person who literally won't push Chalman to the point ZOS is reworking the coding to rename it Fort Chalman. He wonders why and gets frustrated by another faction stacking to attack an enemy keep when they don't even have their own home keeps. It must only be okay for him and his faction to do such things. I agree, EP is very strong when they're all on the same page = faction stack.

Seriously Force take your zerg goggles off already.

Force Siphon and I have this weird habit of always crossing paths in pvp. I almost never see him in a zerg or zerfing.

I don't get why it matters who zergs and who doesn't. I've seen literally everyone zerg, people posting in this forum post and "small scalers" who talk crap about zergs but do it themselves. This isn't directly towards you Jauriel I'm just speaking in general. Every faction stacks together at times to win so using that as an argument or to insult others is dumb.

Invictus capped faregyle alone and we decided to hold it, AD was too distracted with us so DC took ash, nikel, roe, and brindle. EP was still fighting around bleakers and chal, I'm not sure what group did but they took BM. From there people realized AD was the ideal target to cap scrolls and just moved south. I don't see why EP or DC would send raids at each other when the opportunity is right there to cap scrolls, especially with DC wanting to keep first place.

EP knew there was no possible to way to get first place before the campaign ends so obviously they weren't concerned with how much score DC was gaining. People really need to stop complaining and just play the game (even though it's in a horrible place right now). If you are getting double teamed for a few hours then who cares, people decide where to go and fight for whatever reason. Nobody is secretly conspiring on focusing a certain faction only, so no point in whining on the forums.

You're totally right! We are all filthy zergers at some point, even if unintentionally. We all live in glass houses.

But on Nirn glass is a notoriously sturdy material used for making body armor...

Manoekin

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

AD gets what's coming to them primetime, it was pretty funny last night when we took alessia and AD spent their whole defense fighting from the farm like we owned the keep, and basically held off all of AD during primetime at alessia until DC finally figured out what was going on and pushes south. Again, nik is right people are going to push south when AD sticks 150 people in BRK for hours and triggers the faction, or runs multiple 24 man blobs into sej. If we had this problem with DC then we would push them. TBH we got pretty frustrated with DC last night that EP was not pushing ales with organized guilds and gave them every opportunity to get ash back and take the pressure off of us and yet they continued to push bleakers. When it's primetime EP is probably strongest faction when we are on the same page but we spend all of primetime cleaning up the mess of the rest of the day which is what nik is talking about. And let's be honest everyone hates AD and wants to push them and sometimes you have to suck it up and go lag in alessia to close the bridge and get people to do other things.

Says the person sitting in the fat zerg. Says the person who's faction moves as an entire unit. Says the person who literally won't push Chalman to the point ZOS is reworking the coding to rename it Fort Chalman. He wonders why and gets frustrated by another faction stacking to attack an enemy keep when they don't even have their own home keeps. It must only be okay for him and his faction to do such things. I agree, EP is very strong when they're all on the same page = faction stack.

Seriously Force take your zerg goggles off already.

Force Siphon and I have this weird habit of always crossing paths in pvp. I almost never see him in a zerg or zerfing.

I don't get why it matters who zergs and who doesn't. I've seen literally everyone zerg, people posting in this forum post and "small scalers" who talk crap about zergs but do it themselves. This isn't directly towards you Jauriel I'm just speaking in general. Every faction stacks together at times to win so using that as an argument or to insult others is dumb.

Invictus capped faregyle alone and we decided to hold it, AD was too distracted with us so DC took ash, nikel, roe, and brindle. EP was still fighting around bleakers and chal, I'm not sure what group did but they took BM. From there people realized AD was the ideal target to cap scrolls and just moved south. I don't see why EP or DC would send raids at each other when the opportunity is right there to cap scrolls, especially with DC wanting to keep first place.

EP knew there was no possible to way to get first place before the campaign ends so obviously they weren't concerned with how much score DC was gaining. People really need to stop complaining and just play the game (even though it's in a horrible place right now). If you are getting double teamed for a few hours then who cares, people decide where to go and fight for whatever reason. Nobody is secretly conspiring on focusing a certain faction only, so no point in whining on the forums.

You're totally right! We are all filthy zergers at some point, even if unintentionally. We all live in glass houses.

But on Nirn glass is a notoriously sturdy material used for making body armor...

Is a glass house sturdier than a Templar house then?

Telel

Manoekin wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

AD gets what's coming to them primetime, it was pretty funny last night when we took alessia and AD spent their whole defense fighting from the farm like we owned the keep, and basically held off all of AD during primetime at alessia until DC finally figured out what was going on and pushes south. Again, nik is right people are going to push south when AD sticks 150 people in BRK for hours and triggers the faction, or runs multiple 24 man blobs into sej. If we had this problem with DC then we would push them. TBH we got pretty frustrated with DC last night that EP was not pushing ales with organized guilds and gave them every opportunity to get ash back and take the pressure off of us and yet they continued to push bleakers. When it's primetime EP is probably strongest faction when we are on the same page but we spend all of primetime cleaning up the mess of the rest of the day which is what nik is talking about. And let's be honest everyone hates AD and wants to push them and sometimes you have to suck it up and go lag in alessia to close the bridge and get people to do other things.

Says the person sitting in the fat zerg. Says the person who's faction moves as an entire unit. Says the person who literally won't push Chalman to the point ZOS is reworking the coding to rename it Fort Chalman. He wonders why and gets frustrated by another faction stacking to attack an enemy keep when they don't even have their own home keeps. It must only be okay for him and his faction to do such things. I agree, EP is very strong when they're all on the same page = faction stack.

Seriously Force take your zerg goggles off already.

Force Siphon and I have this weird habit of always crossing paths in pvp. I almost never see him in a zerg or zerfing.

I don't get why it matters who zergs and who doesn't. I've seen literally everyone zerg, people posting in this forum post and "small scalers" who talk crap about zergs but do it themselves. This isn't directly towards you Jauriel I'm just speaking in general. Every faction stacks together at times to win so using that as an argument or to insult others is dumb.

Invictus capped faregyle alone and we decided to hold it, AD was too distracted with us so DC took ash, nikel, roe, and brindle. EP was still fighting around bleakers and chal, I'm not sure what group did but they took BM. From there people realized AD was the ideal target to cap scrolls and just moved south. I don't see why EP or DC would send raids at each other when the opportunity is right there to cap scrolls, especially with DC wanting to keep first place.

EP knew there was no possible to way to get first place before the campaign ends so obviously they weren't concerned with how much score DC was gaining. People really need to stop complaining and just play the game (even though it's in a horrible place right now). If you are getting double teamed for a few hours then who cares, people decide where to go and fight for whatever reason. Nobody is secretly conspiring on focusing a certain faction only, so no point in whining on the forums.

You're totally right! We are all filthy zergers at some point, even if unintentionally. We all live in glass houses.

But on Nirn glass is a notoriously sturdy material used for making body armor...

Is a glass house sturdier than a Templar house then?

Does the glass house also have a malubeth set equipped?

frozywozy

antihero727 wrote: »

I seen a few old time names last night. It was great to get another killing blow on Richard again. It's been to long. Now that we have accepted the 50 group is the new meta and aren't capping 24 anymore the fights are going to get interesting. See you Sunday!!!

I don't know in which world you live but in mine, groups cap at 16 and will remain the same.

Why? Because the servers cannot tolerate large group play just yet. I've tested the performances ratio compared to a 24men group and a 16men group engaging a zerg and we caused much more problems as 24. Secondly, in a 16men group, every player is unique, has a specific role in the group and synergize really well with everyone. Teamskpeak / Discord is less chaotic. It doesn't take that long to get everyone rallied at the same place before the next move. etc

And before some troll haters come and say that I am seen often part of large red zergs, you are absolutely right. When I am not part of an organized group, I will follow the masses from time to time by myself to find some action.

My point was, as an organized group, you run very close next to each other, drop ultimates togethers, run prox with the same timing. These factors are what cause the lag in the long run when you deal damage. Me doing it by myself part of zerg has near to no effect. Me doing it in a synchronized fashion with 23 other players part of the same group is another story.

antihero727

frozywozy wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

I seen a few old time names last night. It was great to get another killing blow on Richard again. It's been to long. Now that we have accepted the 50 group is the new meta and aren't capping 24 anymore the fights are going to get interesting. See you Sunday!!!

I don't know in which world you live but in mine, groups cap at 16 and will remain the same.

Why? Because the servers cannot tolerate large group play just yet. I've tested the performances ratio compared to a 24men group and a 16men group engaging a zerg and we caused much more problems as 24. Secondly, in a 16men group, every player is unique, has a specific role in the group and synergize really well with everyone. Teamskpeak / Discord is less chaotic. It doesn't take that long to get everyone rallied at the same place before the next move. etc

And before some troll haters come and say that I am seen often part of large red zergs, you are absolutely right. When I am not part of an organized group, I will follow the masses from time to time by myself to find some action.

My point was, as an organized group, you run very close next to each other, drop ultimates togethers, run prox with the same timing. These factors are what cause the lag in the long run when you deal damage. Me doing it by myself part of zerg has near to no effect. Me doing it in a synchronized fashion with 23 other players part of the same group is another story.

Feeling guilty? Never said it was you zerging. That statment was 2 pronged with its nice to see old names come back and the 50 person blob is getting frustrating so I have decided not to control numbers this campaign. If others stop running sg1 sg2 or pm1 pm2 & pm3 then I will do the same but until then we have a 150 slot ts3 and I am not starting a waiting list anymore I am starting a 2nd group.

DHale

EP always the usher never the bride or the bridesmaid or the limo driver. Having tons of people running around is not a battle plan.

Ghostbane

antihero727 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

I seen a few old time names last night. It was great to get another killing blow on Richard again. It's been to long. Now that we have accepted the 50 group is the new meta and aren't capping 24 anymore the fights are going to get interesting. See you Sunday!!!

I don't know in which world you live but in mine, groups cap at 16 and will remain the same.

Why? Because the servers cannot tolerate large group play just yet. I've tested the performances ratio compared to a 24men group and a 16men group engaging a zerg and we caused much more problems as 24. Secondly, in a 16men group, every player is unique, has a specific role in the group and synergize really well with everyone. Teamskpeak / Discord is less chaotic. It doesn't take that long to get everyone rallied at the same place before the next move. etc

And before some troll haters come and say that I am seen often part of large red zergs, you are absolutely right. When I am not part of an organized group, I will follow the masses from time to time by myself to find some action.

My point was, as an organized group, you run very close next to each other, drop ultimates togethers, run prox with the same timing. These factors are what cause the lag in the long run when you deal damage. Me doing it by myself part of zerg has near to no effect. Me doing it in a synchronized fashion with 23 other players part of the same group is another story.

Feeling guilty? Never said it was you zerging. That statment was 2 pronged with its nice to see old names come back and the 50 person blob is getting frustrating so I have decided not to control numbers this campaign. If others stop running sg1 sg2 or pm1 pm2 & pm3 then I will do the same but until then we have a 150 slot ts3 and I am not starting a waiting list anymore I am starting a 2nd group.

maxjapank

antihero727 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

I seen a few old time names last night. It was great to get another killing blow on Richard again. It's been to long. Now that we have accepted the 50 group is the new meta and aren't capping 24 anymore the fights are going to get interesting. See you Sunday!!!

I don't know in which world you live but in mine, groups cap at 16 and will remain the same.

Why? Because the servers cannot tolerate large group play just yet. I've tested the performances ratio compared to a 24men group and a 16men group engaging a zerg and we caused much more problems as 24. Secondly, in a 16men group, every player is unique, has a specific role in the group and synergize really well with everyone. Teamskpeak / Discord is less chaotic. It doesn't take that long to get everyone rallied at the same place before the next move. etc

And before some troll haters come and say that I am seen often part of large red zergs, you are absolutely right. When I am not part of an organized group, I will follow the masses from time to time by myself to find some action.

My point was, as an organized group, you run very close next to each other, drop ultimates togethers, run prox with the same timing. These factors are what cause the lag in the long run when you deal damage. Me doing it by myself part of zerg has near to no effect. Me doing it in a synchronized fashion with 23 other players part of the same group is another story.

Feeling guilty? Never said it was you zerging. That statment was 2 pronged with its nice to see old names come back and the 50 person blob is getting frustrating so I have decided not to control numbers this campaign. If others stop running sg1 sg2 or pm1 pm2 & pm3 then I will do the same but until then we have a 150 slot ts3 and I am not starting a waiting list anymore I am starting a 2nd group.

Only so many players can fit on the server, so you'll make a 2nd group based on who's in Cyrodiil. And why not? If you can lead two stacked groups, have fun with that. If you have two groups run by two different leaders, then that's no difference than two guilds running.

People get upset about zerging. But there's not much anyone can do about it. People show up where the fights are as Skylark said. And even those who claim to run only 16, well I believe them. But I also believe seeing the other 34+ at the keep.

None of that makes me upset, though. Oceanic time is rarely pop-locked and our normal lag of 250+ remains stable. NA prime time is a different story. I get 600+ sometimes when everything is poplocked. Perhaps the server needs to hold less players.

IxSTALKERxI

I am a zerg.

maxjapank

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I am a zerg.

You are a pineapple.

DisgracefulMind

Our Oceanic numbers are very few in EP; it would be nice to have a bigger presence in that time. Not that it stops AD and DC from pushing a 2 barred pop with their pop-locks in my early morning instead of fighting each other and allowing the map to thrive, but it would be nice to actually be able to fight back. Only so much the 10 EP players on in the mornings can do against multiple raids of AD and DC who choose to push Chalman and BRK. By the time we get some decent groups going to repair the map, the pugs just flow to the bridge, so that's a problem too. It's frustrating sometimes, and we try to lead the pugs to do something else often enough, but at some point it's like, why not just join in, AD and EP pugs aren't leaving the bridge, so there's not action elsewhere. Nothing better to do.
And when we're running full groups and we try to split the action up across the map we get faction zerged. The whole mentality of this game now is faction zerging. Faction zerg the group of 4 at a mine trying to find small scale, faction zerg the 12 man group trying to start some action on another side of the map, faction zerg the solo player, faction zerg, faction zerg, and faction zerg some more. I've seen almost every single person in this thread who claims to be against it doing it, so I don't want to hear otherwise. I've just stopped caring. If it takes stacking with my faction to hold against the opposing faction stack, whatever. Primetime calls for stupid things like this to happen sometimes, even though we avoid it as much as we can.
But early mornings/Oceanic times, we need the help. And if this morning didn't show how true that is, I don't know what would. Two locked pops against a two-barred pop lol. We got some keeps back and immediately both factions decided to faction stack the two-barred pop out of them. Idk what I'm trying to say anymore except that we just need help in the off-hours, Nik is right. But, honestly, I'm not really sure we need rerolls happening. We just need some good groups running in the mornings. I might start leading PUGs, who knows o:

DisgracefulMind

NACtron wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Why AD often finds themselves getting doubled teamed
1. AD usually gets focused at night cause whenever the EP guilds log in around primetime AD usually has Sej BRK and or Drake. Leading to EP naturally pushing south
2. AD probably gets focused by DC cause when the DC guilds log in around primetime they are often missing Ash.

Whatever AD guilds are on in the afternoon painting both parts of the map yellow aggroing both factions is the reason why you are getting double teamed. If you want to solve the problem you might want to tell your afternoon guilds to take a chill pill as we usually prefer to focus DC for the night if we get the chance.

Everyone gets double teamed . It's just a part of AvAvA . We usually push both sides of the map pretty equally so we get retaliation from both sides . A lot Us understand this .

Well good AD probably does the best job right now of splitting their forces up between the two fronts of the map.

manny254 wrote: »

There you go 10:22 am US central time. Is this considered off hours? Looks like EP had a fair bit of organization.

It is very nice to see EP doing so well this early however, take what your seeing with a grain of Salt it's a holiday and the usual layout of the map is going to be different through the holiday weekend.

Would like to point out that Nik is right about this. It was Thanksgiving morning, and I can attest to Invictus having about an 8-10 man group throughout it for once and we pushed objectives all morning. This isn't a normal thing, though, and there's no presence usually at these times. There was equal pop and fights going though, EP just happened to be the victor in quite a few of them

Kalinichta

doublestuffed wrote: »

Kalinichta wrote: »

doublestuffed wrote: »

I would be willing to join a morning group on TF to help EP. I get up around 7 AM Eastern.

doublestuffed wrote: »

I would be willing to join a morning group on TF to help EP. I get up around 7 AM Eastern.

I'm sure you would like to "help". Let's see... On 8/25 you posted about the EP move to Haderus. On 9/28 you posted that PM was responsible for DDOS. And, on 11/21 you posted that EP zone chat was salty. A true friend? Or an AD/DC troll?

Earl Gray of Amersham, Buckinghamshire
Pact Militia
Dieu et Mon Droit

It is true that I like troll around, mostly EP and AD. What you don't know is back when EP was last winning a ton of campaigns, I was leading raids in EP. I left EP for AD and joined RAM to help make AD a good alliance again. I have been feeling bad about EP losing so much. Hell I almost went DC until they finally won a campaign.

On to exposing PM to moving to Haderus. I didn't want to see TF become completely yellow. Its boring and lame. The post about PM causing the DDOS was a joke. And Ep is a salty zone chat just like the person who I'm replying to right now.

So you're a talented and skilled raid leader and jokester whose goal is the better balance of the game, hmm? And the means to that end is for you to shift your faction alliances? Are you leading guild raids now?

Lord Jimbo, the Earl Gray of Bergamot
Pact Militia
Dieu et Mon Droit

doublestuffed

Kalinichta wrote: »

doublestuffed wrote: »

Kalinichta wrote: »

doublestuffed wrote: »

I would be willing to join a morning group on TF to help EP. I get up around 7 AM Eastern.

doublestuffed wrote: »

I would be willing to join a morning group on TF to help EP. I get up around 7 AM Eastern.

I'm sure you would like to "help". Let's see... On 8/25 you posted about the EP move to Haderus. On 9/28 you posted that PM was responsible for DDOS. And, on 11/21 you posted that EP zone chat was salty. A true friend? Or an AD/DC troll?

Earl Gray of Amersham, Buckinghamshire
Pact Militia
Dieu et Mon Droit

It is true that I like troll around, mostly EP and AD. What you don't know is back when EP was last winning a ton of campaigns, I was leading raids in EP. I left EP for AD and joined RAM to help make AD a good alliance again. I have been feeling bad about EP losing so much. Hell I almost went DC until they finally won a campaign.

On to exposing PM to moving to Haderus. I didn't want to see TF become completely yellow. Its boring and lame. The post about PM causing the DDOS was a joke. And Ep is a salty zone chat just like the person who I'm replying to right now.

So you're a talented and skilled raid leader and jokester whose goal is the better balance of the game, hmm? And the means to that end is for you to shift your faction alliances? Are you leading guild raids now?

Lord Jimbo, the Earl Gray of Bergamot
Pact Militia
Dieu et Mon Droit

It's been since the last time EP won a campaign that I have led a raid. Honestly I have no real want to even do it. I'm only in one PvP guild right now, and aside from the groups we had to try and push Miat for emp, they're for the most part defunct.

Anazasi

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

NACtron

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

Minno

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

Came back from vacation to see a decent pvp Sunday night.

Congrats DC on the win!

And for those that like to see the score numbers:

- each enemy keep, scroll, outpost and resource gives you one point (2 outposts, 12 keeps, 36 resources, 4 scrolls)
- home objectives give you 2 points. (1 outpost, 6 keeps, 18 resources, 2 scrolls).
- each 30 day campaign has around 720 hourly score ticks.
- if you only hold home objectives, youll get a base of 54 points per tick.
- if you hold home+ 2 enemy keeps with all the resources, youll get 62 points per tick while the enemy gets 46 per tick. This situation is very common, especially if you hit back-keeps at 10 min before score eval time.

Why does this matter? Concentrating on score is the only measurable method that will disperse large zergs. People pug zerg to combat other pug zergs. It's evitable as it protects inner ring fronts. If a small crew rides up from each alternate milegate and caps a distant home keep's resources at score tick, a score centric faction will send troops to focus that group.

Point wise, if that small group succeeds, they will pull 6 points easily off the enemy factions score tick (from 54 to 48). At the same time, they might get the smaller group fight they want while the same time pulling off some enemy troops of the main zerg to let their zerg get an upper advantage. If this is done constantly for 720 ticks, your faction will win with 43,200 points versus their 34,560, and the third faction bottle necked at second place with 54 point ticks (38,880 pts).

Manoekin

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

If you want a tip, AD only ever takes Drake/Cropsford to stop EP from attacking Fare/BM constantly. We take Sej for the same reason you take Alessia, to stop bridge fighting.

God_flakes

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

Oh is it? I hadn't noticed. It was team Orange all holiday weekend.

NACtron

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

If you want a tip, AD only ever takes Drake/Cropsford to stop EP from attacking Fare/BM constantly. We take Sej for the same reason you take Alessia, to stop bridge fighting.

We only hit your home keeps cause you hit our home keeps?

Perhaps both sides naturally push each based off of gameplay mechanics and map design of Cyrodiil. Asking one faction not to push the other is silly and rarely works.

Minno

NACtron wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

If you want a tip, AD only ever takes Drake/Cropsford to stop EP from attacking Fare/BM constantly. We take Sej for the same reason you take Alessia, to stop bridge fighting.

We only hit your home keeps cause you hit our home keeps?

Perhaps both sides naturally push each based off of gameplay mechanics and map design of Cyrodiil. Asking one faction not to push the other is silly and rarely works.

It's tough for EP. They have to keep sej for the 2 points and bottle neck AD at the bridge of they want to send troops north to counter DC.

EP should probably hit Blackfoot resources+ dragonclaw resources and keep to constantly keep a flow of 7 points into their point pool while denying AD 6 points and DC 8 points.

Manoekin

NACtron wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I am glad to see EP coming back and being competitive. It's been far too long on TF for EP to be docile. Unfortunately you will have to face off against DC 80% of the time. They are the faction with numbers and points. If EP wants to win a campaign going to the south is not an option. You need to move westward and keep the pressure on for the next 4 weeks.

Good luck had a lot of fun Sunday night.

That would be easy if AD was not constantly trying to take Sej BRK, and Drake. But Alas this game is a three way Alliance war.

If you want a tip, AD only ever takes Drake/Cropsford to stop EP from attacking Fare/BM constantly. We take Sej for the same reason you take Alessia, to stop bridge fighting.

We only hit your home keeps cause you hit our home keeps?

Perhaps both sides naturally push each based off of gameplay mechanics and map design of Cyrodiil. Asking one faction not to push the other is silly and rarely works.

I'm not saying don't do that. My only point is that if you're going to consistently attack back keeps several times every day through use of the town (why does AD have two towns within walking distance of scroll keeps) then obviously there is going to be a concerted effort to make sure you have control over it as little as possible. It's not even the natural flow of fighting, as that is centered around the ring.