EP Calls for Aid (PC/NA TF)

Esgameplaya1

Skitttles wrote: »

I mean, I guess I could roll EP.

yeh im gonna reroll EP and create a guild called STAXUS!! Oh wait doesn't that guild already exist?

Lucky28

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

Manoekin

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Minnesinger

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

And isn´t even true. When AD was 1st and DC 2nd the same tactic with EP. Go after AD. Your choice seems to be helping DC in any situation. Seems to be some inbred thinking in EP that AD needs to be attacked.

ScooberSteve

All EP want to do is be pugs. You've made your bed now you can lie in it!

Lucky28

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Depends on your perspective. you yourself said it, no "you can't win a campaign without nightcaping" EP can't nightcap they don't have the pop, so they can't win. least they can do is try and end in in second.

EP is not trying for first they're just trying not to end it in last.

but really even that's not true. it's all about AP now, EP doesn't care about the score.

Astanphaeus

Lucky28 wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Depends on your perspective. you yourself said it, no "you can't win a campaign without nightcaping" EP can't nightcap they don't have the pop, so they can't win. least they can do is try and end in in second.

EP is not trying for first they're just trying not to end it in last.

but really even that's not true. it's all about AP now, EP doesn't care about the score.

This pretty much sums it up. At this point we honestly just go after who has taken more of our stuff during the day. It's why DC was targeted 2 nights ago, and AD was targeted last night (and I would like to just point out quickly that DC didn't *** about being targeted 2 nights ago). Unless of course Fantasia is on, because they are the most challenging and fun to fight, then we fight Fantasia.

heystreethawk

Telel

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Depends on your perspective. you yourself said it, no "you can't win a campaign without nightcaping" EP can't nightcap they don't have the pop, so they can't win. least they can do is try and end in in second.

EP is not trying for first they're just trying not to end it in last.

but really even that's not true. it's all about AP now, EP doesn't care about the score.

This pretty much sums it up. At this point we honestly just go after who has taken more of our stuff during the day. It's why DC was targeted 2 nights ago, and AD was targeted last night (and I would like to just point out quickly that DC didn't *** about being targeted 2 nights ago). Unless of course Fantasia is on, because they are the most challenging and fun to fight, then we fight Fantasia.

When everyone and their emergency elf based meat supply is on the bridge someone's got to do something to pull the hand holders apart before they crush the server. The best way to do that is to take a moment from our busy schedule of being the only group PVPing somewhere other than the bridge and go try for a quick smackdown of Drake or Sejanus.

It also helps spread the blob scrubs out a bit as they have to do something besides farm their friends on the bridge all elfing day.

But if you think a group of three to fourteen people are a sufficient threat that you need to lose an entire campaign in order to keep them in check then Khajiit will not say how silly that might be. For that would just be the wrong thing to do.

BooskySG

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

I mean, I guess I could roll EP.

yeh im gonna reroll EP and create a guild called STAXUS!! Oh wait doesn't that guild already exist?

Yes, I'm the GM of that guild and an officer in our sister guild Balsaxus. EP would win a campaign if campaign points were conveniently located in Nikel,Brindle, or any other tertiary EP objective. If we're not there, then you can find us hiding behind ZoS. I mean strategically located at the rear with the gear: it's tactical af, trust us.

Skitttles

BooskySG wrote: »

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

I mean, I guess I could roll EP.

yeh im gonna reroll EP and create a guild called STAXUS!! Oh wait doesn't that guild already exist?

Yes, I'm the GM of that guild and an officer in our sister guild Balsaxus. EP would win a campaign if campaign points were conveniently located in Nikel,Brindle, or any other tertiary EP objective. If we're not there, then you can find us hiding behind ZoS. I mean strategically located at the rear with the gear: it's tactical af, trust us.

lololol Balsaxus

pcar944

Skitttles wrote: »

lololol Balsaxus

xD so done ...

also Telel, its such a pleasure to see you come up North for a change! hardly ever see you go past Nikel (sometimes at Ash but never further)

manny254

NACtron wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

I have not really played in a few weeks, but I would say it is not necessarily a organizational issue. Some of it is a learning issue. A lot of EP players make some very poor choices. Many of these are often considered experienced players.

I recall an instance near the beginning of the campaign where DC had Alessia, Roe, and was pushing chal. There where organized EP groups constantly attacking AD tri keeps while this DC emp push was taking place. At one point they even opened one of the gates.

I can think of another instance where we where messing around Arrius because DC was attacking it. A group of 12 decided that chasing Mer and I around a tower was more important than saving Arrius.

These are just a two examples of the real issues EP has. There countless examples of EP potato pushing Alessia while DC is making map pushes. Everyone tries to blame pugs, but more often than not it is organized EP groups. Often enough they are groups considered to be "Elite" groups.

EP is utterly lacking in guilds outside the primetime hours. If the situations you list here happened outside of primetime that would suggest there is some sort of organized EP guilds out there. And if that is the case while they may not be making the best decisions they are better than nothing and can improve.

What I have seen is that is not the case. EP has nothing remotely resembling organization until the late afternoon. Also in the last few weeks a couple major EP daytime guilds have gone inactive.

From my experience EP does have organized groups, but once again they just don't make the best choices.

(Not directed specifically at you) I still continue to be amazed at how there is a continual complaint about EP leadership, but EP by far has the largest amount of veteran players. For example EP by no contest has the greatest amount of players at AR49-50, and generally the greatest amount of high AR players. The EP players that already exist simply need to actually help one another. No one needs to reroll to the faction the greatest overall population.

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

antihero727

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

God_flakes

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

antihero727

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

Or DC has plenty of pvdoor exp from night capping and are getting used to it. Every time we got into a fight with DC in the last 2 weeks my damage meter catches 30+ and thats only 1 of the blobs in the area. A year ago I would agree DC didn't have population to mega-blob but not true anymore. Quit living in the past and embrace the new mega-blob faction.

God_flakes

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

Or DC has plenty of pvdoor exp from night capping and are getting used to it. Every time we got into a fight with DC in the last 2 weeks my damage meter catches 30+ and thats only 1 of the blobs in the area. A year ago I would agree DC didn't have population to mega-blob but not true anymore. Quit living in the past and embrace the new mega-blob faction.

LOL I refuse to embrace mega-blob. Never!!!!

antihero727

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

Or DC has plenty of pvdoor exp from night capping and are getting used to it. Every time we got into a fight with DC in the last 2 weeks my damage meter catches 30+ and thats only 1 of the blobs in the area. A year ago I would agree DC didn't have population to mega-blob but not true anymore. Quit living in the past and embrace the new mega-blob faction.

LOL I refuse to embrace mega-blob. Never!!!!

No one has a leg to stand on anymore for being the non blob faction. Everyone zergs 2016.

Astanphaeus

manny254 wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

I have not really played in a few weeks, but I would say it is not necessarily a organizational issue. Some of it is a learning issue. A lot of EP players make some very poor choices. Many of these are often considered experienced players.

I recall an instance near the beginning of the campaign where DC had Alessia, Roe, and was pushing chal. There where organized EP groups constantly attacking AD tri keeps while this DC emp push was taking place. At one point they even opened one of the gates.

I can think of another instance where we where messing around Arrius because DC was attacking it. A group of 12 decided that chasing Mer and I around a tower was more important than saving Arrius.

These are just a two examples of the real issues EP has. There countless examples of EP potato pushing Alessia while DC is making map pushes. Everyone tries to blame pugs, but more often than not it is organized EP groups. Often enough they are groups considered to be "Elite" groups.

EP is utterly lacking in guilds outside the primetime hours. If the situations you list here happened outside of primetime that would suggest there is some sort of organized EP guilds out there. And if that is the case while they may not be making the best decisions they are better than nothing and can improve.

What I have seen is that is not the case. EP has nothing remotely resembling organization until the late afternoon. Also in the last few weeks a couple major EP daytime guilds have gone inactive.

From my experience EP does have organized groups, but once again they just don't make the best choices.

(Not directed specifically at you) I still continue to be amazed at how there is a continual complaint about EP leadership, but EP by far has the largest amount of veteran players. For example EP by no contest has the greatest amount of players at AR49-50, and generally the greatest amount of high AR players. The EP players that already exist simply need to actually help one another. No one needs to reroll to the faction the greatest overall population.

I know you are all pissy since they took your doors away, but if you up your reading comprehension just a tad, you'll notice that we are plenty happy with our primetime presence. The problem arises from the fact that in the last three mornings I've logged in, AD has had 3 bars pop, DC was at 2, and EP was all the way down at 1. Organization only gets you so far.

pcar944

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

there was 1 evening when EP went south and took Fare and went to gate of Mnem and DC took BB and both factions just sat there unable to get inside and take the scroll, eventually most of DC just gave up and left and I'm not sure if EP got the scroll or not cause I logged

such a lagfest too

but it not like stuff like this doesn't happen to DC or EP so nobody can really complain

maxjapank

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

Or DC has plenty of pvdoor exp from night capping and are getting used to it. Every time we got into a fight with DC in the last 2 weeks my damage meter catches 30+ and thats only 1 of the blobs in the area. A year ago I would agree DC didn't have population to mega-blob but not true anymore. Quit living in the past and embrace the new mega-blob faction.

Do you even log on during Oceanic time? What you call night capping? Most of this campaign, yellow has had one bar more than blue during Oceanic time.

Anyways, it was nice to see some strong pushes by red tonight on blue. I had to log off while trying for Aleswell a 2nd time. But you reds along with yellow kept up the pressure on blue all night. I'm sure it just happened that way. But was fun to get some fights in with red. Look forward to more.

Manoekin

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

there was 1 evening when EP went south and took Fare and went to gate of Mnem and DC took BB and both factions just sat there unable to get inside and take the scroll, eventually most of DC just gave up and left and I'm not sure if EP got the scroll or not cause I logged

such a lagfest too

but it not like stuff like this doesn't happen to DC or EP so nobody can really complain

EP got the scroll after about a half hour or more of three guilds making pushes into the gate and getting wiped by pugs.

Left us a nice 35k tick though, then I ported over to Altadoon and was quickly rewarded with a 26k tick. Was a good 5 minutes.

antihero727

maxjapank wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

Or DC has plenty of pvdoor exp from night capping and are getting used to it. Every time we got into a fight with DC in the last 2 weeks my damage meter catches 30+ and thats only 1 of the blobs in the area. A year ago I would agree DC didn't have population to mega-blob but not true anymore. Quit living in the past and embrace the new mega-blob faction.

Do you even log on during Oceanic time? What you call night capping? Most of this campaign, yellow has had one bar more than blue during Oceanic time.

Anyways, it was nice to see some strong pushes by red tonight on blue. I had to log off while trying for Aleswell a 2nd time. But you reds along with yellow kept up the pressure on blue all night. I'm sure it just happened that way. But was fun to get some fights in with red. Look forward to more.

I have been logging off at 1-2am central. DC farming Alts don't count as true population in my mind anyways.

Rylana

There is a certain level of hilarious irony to this thread, I just cant place my finger on it

manny254

Astanphaeus wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

I have not really played in a few weeks, but I would say it is not necessarily a organizational issue. Some of it is a learning issue. A lot of EP players make some very poor choices. Many of these are often considered experienced players.

I recall an instance near the beginning of the campaign where DC had Alessia, Roe, and was pushing chal. There where organized EP groups constantly attacking AD tri keeps while this DC emp push was taking place. At one point they even opened one of the gates.

I can think of another instance where we where messing around Arrius because DC was attacking it. A group of 12 decided that chasing Mer and I around a tower was more important than saving Arrius.

These are just a two examples of the real issues EP has. There countless examples of EP potato pushing Alessia while DC is making map pushes. Everyone tries to blame pugs, but more often than not it is organized EP groups. Often enough they are groups considered to be "Elite" groups.

EP is utterly lacking in guilds outside the primetime hours. If the situations you list here happened outside of primetime that would suggest there is some sort of organized EP guilds out there. And if that is the case while they may not be making the best decisions they are better than nothing and can improve.

What I have seen is that is not the case. EP has nothing remotely resembling organization until the late afternoon. Also in the last few weeks a couple major EP daytime guilds have gone inactive.

From my experience EP does have organized groups, but once again they just don't make the best choices.

(Not directed specifically at you) I still continue to be amazed at how there is a continual complaint about EP leadership, but EP by far has the largest amount of veteran players. For example EP by no contest has the greatest amount of players at AR49-50, and generally the greatest amount of high AR players. The EP players that already exist simply need to actually help one another. No one needs to reroll to the faction the greatest overall population.

I know you are all pissy since they took your doors away, but if you up your reading comprehension just a tad, you'll notice that we are plenty happy with our primetime presence. The problem arises from the fact that in the last three mornings I've logged in, AD has had 3 bars pop, DC was at 2, and EP was all the way down at 1. Organization only gets you so far.

You need to step up your read comprehension. Your poor attempt at talking down to me shows you are the only one who is "pissy". Additionally I was referencing my own post that was pertaining to off hours.

Not only that, but you indirectly agreed with me. You conceded to me that EP does not have organizational issues.

So frankly I don't know what you are all "pissy" about if you agree with my point about organization. Thank you for agreeing with me.

manny254

There you go 10:22 am US central time. Is this considered off hours? Looks like EP had a fair bit of organization.

God_flakes

manny254 wrote: »

There you go 10:22 am US central time. Is this considered off hours? Looks like EP had a fair bit of organization.

Amusing that you ss and save whispers from people kissing your hind end.

God_flakes

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Well, that works for AD because they're in second. EP is in last and want second. thus they go after AD who has second. EP going after DC wouldn't help EP it would help AD. lol

That's the incorrect logic that everyone tries to use all of the time.

If you're in last place your goal should be to make sure the top scorer has the least amount of points, aka the smallest gap between you and them. Even if you take second place it doesn't matter if the first place faction has a 2k lead on you. Low level thinking of "I have to climb this long ass ladder to get to the top" when you have the option to shrink the distance first is something else which holds EP back.

Stop trying to convince EP to take it easy on AD. With EP in third place, single focusing DC only helps AD advance the scoreboard and get stronger and usually AD then turns around and holds EP off from gaining any ground. In a 3 way fight the fights go 3 ways, pal. Just cuz you're monkey in the middle doesn't mean anyone should take it easy on you guys. Given half a chance AD would pvdoor the map and then gleefully gate farm EP and DC at the same time without batting an eye.

It's not like EP and DC didn't double team gate farm for 2hrs yesterday. It's not like DC is defending every keep like it's their last emp keep, the moral DC would never do that. Oh well thank you for the 22k tick at the gate though. I was taking a break but the nerve of DC and the "we don't do that" attitude changed my mind. From now on we will start a 2nd group instead of a waiting list, gratz EP & DC you poked the bear.

Was it yesterday or the day before? Tuesday night prime time (last time I played) i logged in to see DC once again didn't have Ash. After much caps in zone we managed to finally get Ash. From then it was an avalanche of DC moving south-which EP siezed upon and also moved south. It just happens that way sometimes. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't retribution for all the pvdooring AD does before prime time begins. Talk about waking a sleeping bear. Seems ya'll woke sleeping lions and dragons.

there was 1 evening when EP went south and took Fare and went to gate of Mnem and DC took BB and both factions just sat there unable to get inside and take the scroll, eventually most of DC just gave up and left and I'm not sure if EP got the scroll or not cause I logged

such a lagfest too

but it not like stuff like this doesn't happen to DC or EP so nobody can really complain

DC didn't give up as far as I know. Several of us were kicked from the server and were unable to get back in. I also know (because I communicate with lots of DC) that they really weren't trying very hard to get the scroll-just to hold on to BB as long as possible. Peter Pan had his hot hands on the scroll several times, but we were really kinda derping and just having fun keeping AD in submission.



Manoekin: Gratz on the healthy d-ticks. I guess enjoy spending that ap on....nothing.

NACtron

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I have a suggestion. Go after the bigger threat to winning. Going after AD night after night instead of fighting DC is your problem. AD nightly goes after SEJ and Drake then shifts the focus to DC. EP night after bloody night pushes to the south. F*(^) even Custer new to go west. You want to win a campaign but you have a serious problem with fighting the Blue Ball.

Why AD often finds themselves getting doubled teamed
1. AD usually gets focused at night cause whenever the EP guilds log in around primetime AD usually has Sej BRK and or Drake. Leading to EP naturally pushing south
2. AD probably gets focused by DC cause when the DC guilds log in around primetime they are often missing Ash.

Whatever AD guilds are on in the afternoon painting both parts of the map yellow aggroing both factions is the reason why you are getting double teamed. If you want to solve the problem you might want to tell your afternoon guilds to take a chill pill as we usually prefer to focus DC for the night if we get the chance.

Everyone gets double teamed . It's just a part of AvAvA . We usually push both sides of the map pretty equally so we get retaliation from both sides . A lot Us understand this .

Well good AD probably does the best job right now of splitting their forces up between the two fronts of the map.

manny254 wrote: »

There you go 10:22 am US central time. Is this considered off hours? Looks like EP had a fair bit of organization.

It is very nice to see EP doing so well this early however, take what your seeing with a grain of Salt it's a holiday and the usual layout of the map is going to be different through the holiday weekend.