Why has everything became possible to get in blue in normal mode except for MA weapons???

LaiTash · October 2016

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Oh and FYI I cleared it only a couple of months ago for the first time and it took me weeks to work through it. Just stage by stage and round by round, and that way everyone can clear it.

Except if you're tank/healer.

RazorCaltrops · October 2016

You can still deal good damage without VMA weapons. Except trials, if you're stam, crafted sharpened daggers work well enough, in 4 man content they work better than the VMA ones as they allow you to wear 2 velidreth (bis for trash) while wearing 5 VO instead of 3 which gives insane sustain , because the trash die so fast all you do is steel tornado in 4-man instances including VDSA like %90 of the time and you won't notice the lack of cruel flurry.

If you're mag, there are really good non-VMA staff builds which you can play competitively without sacrificing anything to compensate the lack of VMA staff, that simple. The only irreplaceable weapon for all situations, in my opinion, is the VMA bow and it already drops like candy there.

You can build around non-VMA weps. But that doesn't mean they should be given away freely and don't require effort to obtain.

Valencer · October 2016

LaiTash wrote: »

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Oh and FYI I cleared it only a couple of months ago for the first time and it took me weeks to work through it. Just stage by stage and round by round, and that way everyone can clear it.

Except if you're tank/healer.

And you need maelstrom weapons as a tank or healer?

Lava_Croft · October 2016

It's great for a game like ESO to have BiS PvP gear locked behind a mindless PvE grind. That's why Wrobel put just about every useful piece of gear behind a PvE grind.

Dubhliam · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

Just because you're a "paying customer", you should get instant access to the best gear in the game.

P2W much?

Bigevilpeter · October 2016

Guys its simple, games are played to have fun, accomplishments and achievements are more useful in real life, the amount of torture of vma is not worth it for a game, yet the weapons are so essential

SHADOW2KK · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don1't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

Sounds like someone has tried VmA and got crushed.

It happened to all of us laddie, take a break then come back to it, keep hammering at it it till you do it, its frustrating as hell, but you can do it if you have the skills and the warrior spirit, then it becomes easy, the first clear is a nightmare, then it becomes easier.

You want vet Maelstrom weapons, then earn it, doing VmA will make you a better player.

Btw your entire post was fairly dripping with salt and general whineage.

You want to be one of the best then aspire to it and conquer it.

And your comment about you being a paying customer and wanting it your way is childish because arguably we can all say that.

And the sweeping generalising statement about people who cannot do VmA being poorly skilled is like the rest of your post, full of whine.

I know a lot of people who have not done VmA or tried it, who are still good players, so wrong again.

And assuming anyone who does VmA has nothing better to do is stupid as well.

l2p or stop crying and focus on the parts of the game that suits you.

LaiTash · October 2016

Valencer wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Oh and FYI I cleared it only a couple of months ago for the first time and it took me weeks to work through it. Just stage by stage and round by round, and that way everyone can clear it.

Except if you're tank/healer.

And you need maelstrom weapons as a tank or healer?

Why... yyyyyeaass. Because, like, i'm not always tanking for someone... and actually DD can do well without vma weps anyway, while i need to compensate for inferior dps output.

LaiTash · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

yet the weapons are so essential

No it's not, "it's just a game", remember?

Vangy · October 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

Us tanks swap gear more times than u know. Doing vDSA last boss? Slot that masters sword cos its bis for those *** tons of adds u need to solo tank and heal. Doing trials? Slap on those tavas and alkosh. Group no ebon? U need to run that ***. Tanking warrior? That masters sword + vigor will keep u alive through warriors flurry even without some dps using guard on u. Bis changes for every single piece of content and group composition for tanks.

But masters sword is right up there when it comes to bis Stuffz for tanks. Sure hell of a lot better than Ma sword. Plus works well with alkosh on back bar + masters on main. Swap use synergy and swap back to masters.

Adrastus · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

lmao its like youre lowkey trying to call out everyone who finished vMA a no life.... i mean youre life must be real trash if youre getting this mad and childish about it and complaining on a damn forum. are you a child like op? never had a responsibility or a job? never had to work for anything and had mommy and daddy pay for everything? lolol im getting that vibe. it reeks of an egocentric loser who is unhappy with their life trying to bag on others enjoying theirs. *** off kid.

"oh i pay a measly $15 a month so i deserve everything ingame for free! wahh wahh" i mean might as well get 1bil gold for killing random mobs now right

Wollust · October 2016

Normal MSA is not harder than a random delve boss. Just longer. Having the best gear drop from there would be ridiculous.

Mush55 · October 2016

No weapons for normal. I'm doing my first run and have been stuck on the last boss for quite some time.
I am not doing it for the weapons as I know with my luck I'll end up with crap, I'm doing it to prove I can. But what I have found is that I am more aware of whats going on around me in dungeons instead of the dps tunnel vision I used to have.

So in some regards trying to complete vma and I really cant say I have had a good experience in there it has paid off in other ways.

CultOfMMO · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I hate malestrom arena its the most non enjoyable annoying thing they could have ever made.

I'm forced to play solo for days, its so difficult not to mention horrible drops, its a complete pure waste of time.
Now since they are adding blue versions for every other set in the game in normal mode they should to the same with malestrom arena, most people hate it and will never do it on veteran and no other way to get these BiS weapons.

Now sets lile VO and IA which are BiS drop in normal Trails not to mention all other dungeon sets, the same shuold be done with malestrom weapons and leave veteran for leaderboards and competition. Ofc the drop rates should be decreased on normal, but it should be an available option.

because its not the weapon that matters its the enchant. I'm okay with people getting blue MA weapons if the enchant is only 1/10th as powerful, and thats incredibly generous because vMA is way more than 10 times harder than nMA. It's the same as VO and IA jewelry that only drops in blue and cannot be upgraded, thats the incentive to run vet and vet hardmode.

if you think thats a waste of time then dont do it, simple as that. This is not a "if i suffer others must suffer" post. It's simply, there are those who have the time and stomach for it, and those who dont. Nothing ZOS can do about that. The only legitimate complaint about vMA is the RNG, thats all. Not the difficulty, not the solo content, nothing else.

vMA weapons are only meant for the top players, thats the way it has always been, and you're clearing not up there, so just forget it. Dont beat yourself over it, dont lose sleep over it. There are still builds that can make you competitive w/o those weapons.

SolarCat02 · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

nDSA doesn't drop leveled-down weapons from the ending chest anymore? (I haven't run it in a couple months). That stinks. I liked playing with the traits to see how things worked with my build before setting out for the grind. It's easier to find a group that can finish normal, so I could get a "preview" of how things worked. Did that with the Wrothgar sets, too, to make sure I wanted to keep grinding for the CP160 versions.

Oh well. It would be nice to have that option from nMA, but I can understand why it's not set up that way. I haven't run veteran at all yet, but I did set foot in normal for the first time yesterday. (I prefer playing with groups, so I have been putting it off). I did not change my setup at all, and my healer steamrolled her way to the beginning of the 5th round on the ice island arena before the game crashed spectacularly and I decided to go to bed instead of loading it up again. I will finish it tonight. So yes, normal seems much much easier than the vMA.

code65536 · October 2016

SolarCat02 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

nDSA doesn't drop leveled-down weapons from the ending chest anymore? (I haven't run it in a couple months). That stinks. I liked playing with the traits to see how things worked with my build before setting out for the grind. It's easier to find a group that can finish normal, so I could get a "preview" of how things worked. Did that with the Wrothgar sets, too, to make sure I wanted to keep grinding for the CP160 versions.

Oh well. It would be nice to have that option from nMA, but I can understand why it's not set up that way. I haven't run veteran at all yet, but I did set foot in normal for the first time yesterday. (I prefer playing with groups, so I have been putting it off). I did not change my setup at all, and my healer steamrolled her way to the beginning of the 5th round on the ice island arena before the game crashed spectacularly and I decided to go to bed instead of loading it up again. I will finish it tonight. So yes, normal seems much much easier than the vMA.

Ever since the rescaling of DSA, the difficulty gap between nDSA and vDSA is much wider than what it used to be and is similar to the size of the gulf that separates nMA and vMA. nDSA has become easier (it can be soloed, and if you have a partner, it's a great place to level up low-level characters since it's a private instance), and vDSA has become much harder. As a result, having weapons drop from nDSA no longer makes any sense.

Parafrost · October 2016

Valencer wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Oh and FYI I cleared it only a couple of months ago for the first time and it took me weeks to work through it. Just stage by stage and round by round, and that way everyone can clear it.

Except if you're tank/healer.

And you need maelstrom weapons as a tank or healer?

Master resto is the best staff for healers. Maelstrom resto is only useful for self heals not group heals. I dont like seeing ppl spam mutagen instead of healing springs. My healing springs tick for a lot even as a dark elf templar(7k crits per) with breath of life healing for 20-25k crits. That is better than 2k crit heals from mutagen with a burst heal of 8k at low health(no one should be low health anyways unless you aren't doing your job). Now for convenience sake in vma, use mutagen as that burst heal will help and the fact it lasts longer also helps. Also maelstrom 1h and shield is utterly useless unless you are pvping.

Frenkthevile · October 2016

The VMA is the worst piece of content since launch, no doubt.

kylewwefan · October 2016

I support free maelstrom weapon posts. Better than having other people run it for you with remote play.

SolarCat02 · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

nDSA doesn't drop leveled-down weapons from the ending chest anymore? (I haven't run it in a couple months). That stinks. I liked playing with the traits to see how things worked with my build before setting out for the grind. It's easier to find a group that can finish normal, so I could get a "preview" of how things worked. Did that with the Wrothgar sets, too, to make sure I wanted to keep grinding for the CP160 versions.

Oh well. It would be nice to have that option from nMA, but I can understand why it's not set up that way. I haven't run veteran at all yet, but I did set foot in normal for the first time yesterday. (I prefer playing with groups, so I have been putting it off). I did not change my setup at all, and my healer steamrolled her way to the beginning of the 5th round on the ice island arena before the game crashed spectacularly and I decided to go to bed instead of loading it up again. I will finish it tonight. So yes, normal seems much much easier than the vMA.

Ever since the rescaling of DSA, the difficulty gap between nDSA and vDSA is much wider than what it used to be and is similar to the size of the gulf that separates nMA and vMA. nDSA has become easier (it can be soloed, and if you have a partner, it's a great place to level up low-level characters since it's a private instance), and vDSA has become much harder. As a result, having weapons drop from nDSA no longer makes any sense.

Well that stinks.

Normal used to be a good place to bring people before adding them to one of our normal Trials runs. Just difficult enough to make sure they could handle the coordinating required for a twelve man group, but small and easy enough that I could split my attention to watch.

Thanks for the heads up.