Why has everything became possible to get in blue in normal mode except for MA weapons???

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

I'd be OK with CP140 weapons dropping in normal ... but anyone can improve a blue CP160 normal drop with gold tempers.

Agree with most everyone that's posted in this thread ... BiS gear requires your very best gameplay ...

Eleusian · October 2016

I support this thread since the loot table would be full of sword & board decisive, charged weapons anyways. I feel so cheated every time I run VMA.

bitels · October 2016

There isnt content in this game for which vMA weapons are must have. There will raise your DPS for sure, if u know how to use them, but you dont need them to complete any end-game content.
It was best proven by Streak One who get 48.5k DPS in vMOL, as a magica sorc without having maelstorm staff.
If u dont want to, as u said, torture yourself with it, then just dont- u still can be great player without them. And if u really want them, just do 1 level of vMA per day, couse now we can safe our progress, and u do it sooner or later

GazettE · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Great player at solo content /= great player in group content, the only reason you should want a player with a malestrom weapon in your party is because of his malestrom weapon, he might suck at group content or have good self sustain but not very high dps.

doing solo content for the best pvp and pve weapons is a very stupid idea

LOL, just LOL at this post. Cant stop LOL ing.

I just cant see the logic on:

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Great player at solo content /= great player in group content

Abeille · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Normal Maelstrom is WAAAY too easy to give you blue weapons that can just be upgraded. The gear was upgraded to CP160 in normal because it's crap anyway.

My niche build that uses Winterborn is thankful xD
Got my first pieces on veteran before 1T, and my last piece on Normal yesterday.

Daraugh · October 2016

The OP never said vMA is too hard, he said it was not enjoyable. I agree, nMA is easy, too easy to get a Maelstrom weapon, but it's also gameplay that I find incredibly tedious. It's just boring content that has the best weapons locked away behind it. If a new kind of Maelstrom weapon equivalent could be gotten in trials, I would have fun with that.

Apherius · October 2016

and a 146 th Post for" Maesltrom weapons in normal mode because i d'ont want to break my nails" Yeah ! i wait the 147th .

Vma is not " too hard " man , don't know .. do a sorcerer magicka for overload boss , or do a magicka nb and finish your first Vma in 2 hours ( very easy in nb magicka .. ) .. but try hard ! don't be impatient !

Lord-Gibson · October 2016

I have beaten normal umpteen times and absolutely love it. With that being said though, I have yet to beat in on Vet. I do not want any changes nor do I want any nerfs. Beating this is an accomplishment only given to the strongest and smartest of adventurers. I will soon be there. I don't want it handed to me and would much rather have this feat for my own accord. Nothing on this game is actually impossible. with the proper intel and research of gaming mechanics; thus said feat is reachable.

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

The OP never said vMA is too hard, he said it was not enjoyable. I agree, nMA is easy, too easy to get a Maelstrom weapon, but it's also gameplay that I find incredibly tedious. It's just boring content that has the best weapons locked away behind it. If a new kind of Maelstrom weapon equivalent could be gotten in trials, I would have fun with that.

If you ever have read any of the OPS other posts you tend to stumble upon a trend. It may not be too hard but dumbing things down and making them easier kind of implies it. This isn't the first time OP is asking for a "participation trophy" and it won't be the last.

Also OP points out how much they really don't know in the most quoted post by them of this thread.

xeNNNNN · October 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

From my casual perspective: normal Maelstrom Arena is so easy that it would feel wrong to get BiS weapons for completing it. One Tamriel already gave us many great sets accessible to ordinary players, I don't think it's necessary to be handed everything just for showing up.

Yeah they made stygian drop more consistently. What a useful 5th peice that is..................*facedesk*

Apherius · October 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

The OP never said vMA is too hard, he said it was not enjoyable. I agree, nMA is easy, too easy to get a Maelstrom weapon, but it's also gameplay that I find incredibly tedious. It's just boring content that has the best weapons locked away behind it.d If a new kind of Maelstrom weapon equivalent could be gotten in trials, I woulhave fun with that.

you have the staff of infaible aether , and the staff moondancer , for magicka dd except templar , it's better than a maesltrom weapons ... if you already have one in second bar

agegarton · October 2016

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

LadyNalcarya · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

Do you realize how childish it sounds?

Flowersquisher · October 2016

^this, lmao

exeeter702 · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

Dear god man...

Destyran · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

Except the weapons suck 99% of the time. So really its content that makes you wanna quit because you cant get that sharpened weapon.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I hate malestrom arena its the most non enjoyable annoying thing they could have ever made.

I'm forced to play solo for days, its so difficult not to mention horrible drops, its a complete pure waste of time.
Now since they are adding blue versions for every other set in the game in normal mode they should to the same with malestrom arena, most people hate it and will never do it on veteran and no other way to get these BiS weapons.

Now sets lile VO and IA which are BiS drop in normal Trails not to mention all other dungeon sets, the same shuold be done with malestrom weapons and leave veteran for leaderboards and competition. Ofc the drop rates should be decreased on normal, but it should be an available option.

bro nmsa is the biggest joke. Its easier than 4 531s in a level 10 dungeon. I dont get how zeni can allow such a difficulty hike. Like its crazy. How you can go from face rolling it. To getting wrecked for one mistake.

Destyran · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

If you are not skilled enough to do vma you dont need the weapons.

MaKTaiL · October 2016

They could drop at cp140 blue.

Destyran · October 2016

MaKTaiL wrote: »

They could drop at cp140 blue.

No way. They should never drop for contrnt as easy as Nmsa

Valencer · October 2016

Sometimes I wonder why this game is getting more and more dumbed down every update...

Then a thread like this pops up and it all makes sense again.

Newsflash - some people consider a challenging activity that gets appropriately rewarded FUN. Just because you want everything in the game to be practically handed to you (let's be honest, nMA is exactly that) does not mean everyone else considers that fun too! Funny how fun can be subjective like that huh?

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

agegarton wrote: »

I love reading the crap that all these so-called hardcore gamers write. "If you want the reward, do the content". You all agree that "it's a grind", that "you need to learn the recipe", and that "it's frustrating".

Here's the news flash: not everyone has the time or energy to grind, to learn the recipe and get frustrated for hours. We don't all find that entertaining. It's less about skill, more about having better things to do. It's cool with me if you've nothing more entertaining in your life - good for you. But as a paying customer I want it my way. Not yours.

But if you're so sure that all of us who don't want to bother with grind content like vMA, are so poorly skilled, you shouldn't be worried if we have access to the weapon drops. No skin off your tough little noses, right?

Maybe we can get Zeni to give all of you kids a sticker with "I beat vMA cos I learned the recipe" printed on it. Make it your exclusive club sticker. I'll be ok if I don't get one of those.

Triggered!

Wollust · October 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

code65536 · October 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

BiS? Nah. But better than vMA sword? Yes. Though pretty much anything would be better than the vMA sword/mace.

Similarly, the vMA resto is pretty lackluster. It's great as a backbar resto for solo play or for DPS, but the DSA one is much better for actual group healing.

Jaronking · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

BiS? Nah. But better than vMA sword? Yes. Though pretty much anything would be better than the vMA sword/mace.

Similarly, the vMA resto is pretty lackluster. It's great as a backbar resto for solo play or for DPS, but the DSA one is much better for actual group healing.

Yes but the DSA restro runs out faster than you can say soul gem.

code65536 · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

BiS? Nah. But better than vMA sword? Yes. Though pretty much anything would be better than the vMA sword/mace.

Similarly, the vMA resto is pretty lackluster. It's great as a backbar resto for solo play or for DPS, but the DSA one is much better for actual group healing.

Yes but the DSA restro runs out faster than you can say soul gem.

The enchantment still works when fully-depleted. This is pretty easy to verify. Sprint or dodge roll to drain your stamina, and then hold block to prevent stamina regen. Now block-cast Springs on yourself.

Normal resto: Stamina bar doesn't move (as expected)
Non-depleted vDSA resto: Stamina is restored (as expected)
Fully-depleted vDSA resto: Stamina is restored

Splattercat_83 · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

No, just no. Leave the gear like that to the people that earn it.

Splattercat_83 · October 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

In VMsA you are on your own, you deal with all the aggro, you deal all the dps, you have to be able to self heal, and all your resource management is left up to you.

In group content it's different. Most people that fuss about VMsA, get carried through on group content (in one of the afore mentioned areas) in one way or another.

GeneralPardon · October 2016

People overrate the maelstrom weapons. Yes it's Best in Slot for most builds.
Yes it will give you more dps (in general)
Yes you need to do solo content to obtain them.
Yes that solo content is a pain in the bottom.
If you have problems completing vet dungeons or trials will this weapon solve all your problems?
No it won't. You will still die if you stay in red, you will still die or kill your raid if you mess up certain boss mechanics.
Is completing it proof that you can function perfect in a raid?
No it won't however it proves that you are versatile or at least capable of learning the mechanics and spawns, which is a big deal when it comes to group content(nothing annoys me more than people that think they can kill everything with high dps and refusing to play by the mechanics and thus die)

As said its hard and it will frustrate you but since you can save the arena progression you have all the time to clear it. Getting frustrated? Kill some harmless mud crabs to channel your frustration and go back to the arena when it fits you again.

Oh and FYI I cleared it only a couple of months ago for the first time and it took me weeks to work through it. Just stage by stage and round by round, and that way everyone can clear it.

Woeler · October 2016

Because low effort deserves low reward.

Jaronking · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Meh I hate vMA too. Did it twice. Got trash. Realised it was *** cos I didn't play eso to play solo. So I dealt with it by;

1. Made a leet meta tank with masters sword. Every1 needs tanks and tanks don't need MA wepz. In fact bis is masters sword.

2. Made magicka toons. Most people just slot Ma staves on back bar and it dosent add all that much of dps anyway. Still pull 35k no overload on sorc.

So yeah.. You can still be competitive without vMA wepz. I don't see why ZOS has an insane fetish for arena type stuff that lasts for 2 hrs. I mean I'm okay with vDSA cos at least ur on ts with friends talking and stuff for that 1-1.5 hrs but vMA is just painful. I don't like it. Won't do it. Don't really care if I ever get vMA wepz in sharpened cos I can't be f'ed to grind some 1.5 hr arena that is solo. Why they ever made BIS wepz drop in a SOLO arena in an MMO is well beyond me.

Sorry to burst your bubble but master sword isn't BiS for any tank build except for some casual niche build or so. In PvE that is.

BiS? Nah. But better than vMA sword? Yes. Though pretty much anything would be better than the vMA sword/mace.

Similarly, the vMA resto is pretty lackluster. It's great as a backbar resto for solo play or for DPS, but the DSA one is much better for actual group healing.

Yes but the DSA restro runs out faster than you can say soul gem.

The enchantment still works when fully-depleted. This is pretty easy to verify. Sprint or dodge roll to drain your stamina, and then hold block to prevent stamina regen. Now block-cast Springs on yourself.
Normal resto: Stamina bar doesn't move (as expected)

Non-depleted vDSA resto: Stamina is restored (as expected)

Fully-depleted vDSA resto: Stamina is restored

Really I never knew that's that's actually pretty interesting but broken as all hell.Still useful.