PC NA Dueling Tournament | Saturday 10/15 @6pm EST

Magnex · October 2016

Hello everyone, I would like to invite anyone and everyone to participate in a well structured dueling tournament for the PC NA server.
The tournament will require a 5k gold buy-in for each player, ALL buy-in gold will be given to the winner(s). 80% going to the 1st place winner and 20% to the 2nd place winner.
Notice: If there is not a sufficient number of players for the tournament, everyone who sent in gold will be given a FULL refund. Regardless of personal beef or drama you may have with me or other duelists, I encourage everyone to participate and have fun. Players of all CP, experience, and faction are welcome to participate.

RULES:
-Players will be selected at random
-Failure to be present at your duel will be a disqualification
- Single Elimination
- No Immovable, Detect, or Lingering Health Potions
- No Viper/Velidreth Combo (Can use one or the other)
- No CP Changed (See you in your CP tree instant Disqualification)
- No gear swap(skill swap allowed)
- No line of sight
- No Malubeth
- Resource Draining Poisons are not allowed, other poisons are acceptable
- 7 Minute time limit on normal duels
- No time limit on final fight, fight until the death
- If time limit is reached, the winner of the duel will be determined by 3 judges based on the players' performance
- Must Enter by Friday 10/14 9pm EST

TO ENTER:
-Send a mail in game to @Magnexia with the following:
-5k gold
-Class and spec
-Character name

PRIZE:
80% of Buy-in gold to 1st place
20% of Buy-in gold to 2nd place

WHERE AND WHEN:
-Saturday, October 15th @6pm EST
-I would suggest arriving about 30 minutes before to practice and check in.
-Tournament Location: Alik'r Desert. NE of Bergama

PrinceFabious · October 2016

Im in

BrosidenTheKing · October 2016

This should be interesting.

SamTheSwan · October 2016

May this be the first of many tournies to utilize update 12. Hopefully I can pull in that sweet sweet prize money.

Taylor_MB · October 2016

Quick question, if LoS is not allowed, how does one counter Soul Assault? LoS (im pretty sure) is the only counter. Healing through it seems more like mitigation, not actual counter play.

Magnex · October 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Quick question, if LoS is not allowed, how does one counter Soul Assault? LoS (im pretty sure) is the only counter. Healing through it seems more like mitigation, not actual counter play.

It's pretty easy to just block and heal through it.

Zeuq · October 2016

You should ban all poisons, black rose, and fassalas guile, and also how do you know if someone is using lingering health potions, I'm pretty sure there is no indicator right?

Magnex · October 2016

Zeuq wrote: »

You should ban all poisons, black rose, and fassalas guile, and also how do you know if someone is using lingering health potions, I'm pretty sure there is no indicator right?

shouldnt buff tracker show someone's major vitality?

SanTii.92 · October 2016

oo easy cash

I'm in

ManDraKE · October 2016

If you ban Viper/Velidreth Combo, you should also ban Viper/Termoscale and Viper/Selene

frozywozy · October 2016

ban fasalla's, reactive, black rose, engine guardian, bloodspawn and I'll gladly join.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Naked duels, no cheat engine also

Jaronking · October 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

ban fasalla's, reactive, black rose, engine guardian, bloodspawn and I'll gladly join.

Why ban Engine and BloodSpawn?

AmericanSpy · October 2016

You can't pick and choose what to ban. A build is a build. If your going to ban things the only real fair fight is no cp, no gear, no skills. L2P

Ahzek · October 2016

AmericanSpy wrote: »

You can't pick and choose what to ban. A build is a build. If your going to ban things the only real fair fight is no cp, no gear, no skills. L2P

I approve. My khajiit challenges you all to a naked 1v1 fist fight.

(WTB unarmed racial)

frozywozy · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

ban fasalla's, reactive, black rose, engine guardian, bloodspawn and I'll gladly join.

Why ban Engine and BloodSpawn?

Because they give insane survivability / sustain and make some engagement last forever in the high skills bracket.

donJay · October 2016

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People expect duels that protect their comfort zone and simple-minded gameplay.

What they actually want to say:
"Oh, I have to wait 2 seconds to heal? *** that. Better call it cheese!"
"Oh, I'm getting punished for spamming aoe in a duel? Better keep using it and call for a fasallas ban!"

frozywozy · October 2016

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

donJay · October 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

LeifErickson · October 2016

Why ban detect pots?

Magnex · October 2016

AmericanSpy wrote: »

You can't pick and choose what to ban. A build is a build. If your going to ban things the only real fair fight is no cp, no gear, no skills. L2P

I just did pick and choose what to ban.

Perpetuation · October 2016

You should ban black rose too, although all the stamibads will cry forever if you took away their crutch

Chuga_Rei · October 2016

Frozn needs to stop posting. Good luck with the tournament!

Magnex · October 2016

LeifErickson wrote: »

Why ban detect pots?

Each class already has a way to unstealth nightblades. Plus if a nightblade is turtling the whole fight and it goes to a decision, it will weigh very heavily against them.

frozywozy · October 2016

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

I'm not worried about a templar using it. I'm worried about a dual wield dot builds or a magDK using it. I'm not going to go respec my morphs in Deshaan simply because I'm facing one of those using it. That set is over performing largely in duels.

LeifErickson · October 2016

Instead of banning specific sets, it might be fun to make a only crafted sets rule (other than jewelry). There is less barrier of entry this way. You could also say no CP, which lowers the barrier of entry even more.

donJay · October 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

I'm not worried about a templar using it. I'm worried about a dual wield dot builds or a magDK using it. I'm not going to go respec my morphs in Deshaan simply because I'm facing one of those using it. That set is over performing largely in duels.

I just broke down this argument in my previous response to you. You can literally copy and paste the strat to playing against fasallas against any other class. Your definition of "overperforming" is not being able to handle your own use of a specific morph of a skill against a player using a specific gear in a mmo where pvp is gear based. And your solution to your problem of not withstanding higher level play is to ban a set. Do you not realize what you're saying? Let's not make this harder than it needs to be

frozywozy · October 2016

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

I'm not worried about a templar using it. I'm worried about a dual wield dot builds or a magDK using it. I'm not going to go respec my morphs in Deshaan simply because I'm facing one of those using it. That set is over performing largely in duels.

I just broke down this argument in my previous response to you. You can literally copy and paste the strat to playing against fasallas against any other class. Your definition of "overperforming" is not being able to handle your own use of a specific morph of a skill against a player using a specific gear in a mmo where pvp is gear based. And your solution to your problem of not withstanding higher level play is to ban a set. Do you not realize what you're saying? Let's not make this harder than it needs to be

Give me a comparaison of any other set that counter a specific ability in the game other than shieldbreaker (shieldbreaker was banned from most dueling touirnament for this specific reason).

LeifErickson · October 2016

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

I'm not worried about a templar using it. I'm worried about a dual wield dot builds or a magDK using it. I'm not going to go respec my morphs in Deshaan simply because I'm facing one of those using it. That set is over performing largely in duels.

in a mmo where pvp is gear based.

Are you saying that you think it's a good thing that fights are decided by what the players are wearing and not the actual skill of that player? If so, what's the point in even dueling if the fight is only decided by the person with the better build for the specific fight?

donJay · October 2016

LeifErickson wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

So sad that people still call for a ban on fasallas. Either they don't know how to counter it or they do and chose not to. L2p. People want duels that protect their comfort zone and basic gameplay

Fasalla's counter any templar who decide to use ritual of retribution in a battle. I use ritual of retribution for extra damage and stealth detection. We are not allowed to respec skills during the tournament so I am forced to go for extended ritual to counter one set of gear, which is pathetic.

It's an mmo with gear based PvP. I've beaten every other fasallas Templar by: not using ritual when I need to heal or any skill for that matter. You aren't forced. You are choosing to take unnecessary precautions when all you have to do is counter play. I know it sounds crazy, but a 2 sec debuff that you can hold block through and heal right after is pretty straight forward. People are also complaining about fasallas because it protects their survivability tanky meta builds. In the rules, you can even swap skills.

I'm not worried about a templar using it. I'm worried about a dual wield dot builds or a magDK using it. I'm not going to go respec my morphs in Deshaan simply because I'm facing one of those using it. That set is over performing largely in duels.

in a mmo where pvp is gear based.

Are you saying that you think it's a good thing that fights are decided by what the players are wearing and not the actual skill of that player? If so, what's the point in even dueling if the fight is only decided by the person with the better build for the specific fight?

Idc if it's bad or good. You're the one playing an mmo. Play tekken or super smash if you want 1v1's where you can't customize your abilities or gear. You are literally asking for perfectly neutral no slight advantage whatsoever for EVERY MATCHUP in an mmo. Classes already have disadvantages against other regardless of armor. You want to comment on each matchup too? But if you want to comment on fasallas specifically, look at my previous comments directed to frozn.

NBrookus · October 2016

I'd probably just lose the first match with my 5k, so I'll probably pass, but may come to watch. I assume spectators are allowed or even encouraged?

LeifErickson wrote: »

Instead of banning specific sets, it might be fun to make a only crafted sets rule (other than jewelry). There is less barrier of entry this way. You could also say no CP, which lowers the barrier of entry even more.

That sounds like a fun set of rules, and since we now have dueling, maybe someone will organize a tournament along those lines.