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Official Discussion Thread for Crown Crates

  • Wizzo91
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    Absolutely horrible at the current state - does not belong into the game.

    Sadly some poor folk will spend horrid amounts of money to get one of the mounts.

    My Suggestion has some RNG but not exclusively:

    After spending a specific amount of crowns on crates (approx. 3000-5000) you automatically get to choose one of the Mounts. If you are lucky you can get it earlier.

    I also have to add, that RNG Crates are a terrible and lazy game design. Devolpers who support this have no integrity what so ever. I have a feeling that this is just the beginning. Just a matter of time until they will add game changing items into the loot boxes - that will be the time I will cancel my sub and move on. Lets hope CU get released before I have to see that.
    Edited by Wizzo91 on September 21, 2016 10:50AM
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  • ChuckyPayne
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    I don't like this box. I hate it. very much. not because the rng, but now this box means the temporary sales 2.0. that I hated, not just here but in every game too. Same feelings like before :( Finally I left the GW2 not because only poor new contents but mostly because the temporary sales in gem store.

    I had bad feeling many time here when a new temporary item arrived in the crown store. many times. Sometimes I felt it would be better if I left this game too, because this is no better than the rest. I had to realize that this is a reality. Every game is arround the in-game shop. It is ok, i can accept it, but the temporary sales isn't ok to me.

    I don't like (I hate) when a game's marketing management team want to say to me when and how long can I buy something. I don't want buy everything (i'm not an idiot), but if I like something new, few times I would buy something in the future but not in the next few days.

    Since these news leaked, I don't have desire to play. I am thinking a lot these days.
    I'm a subscriber, because I got some extra and in addition the 1500 crown. 1500 crown/month it is enough to me. I save it, and buy some new stuff I like, but to me don't fit the temporary sales. For example I would buy the last year halloween horses. I hope that at this year I can, but now we know never again, but now only from this box. RNG lol never again, no thank you. I said good bye to this mount. I'm not going to pay a multiple of the price of the game for a single virtual item.

    Conclusion. This game is my game! This game is a huge, the team is awesome, amazing work.
    I think now, I will stay, but I won't renew my subscription. it's not worth it to me anymore. I just prefer to buy the DLCs, and I never buy anything else from the store.

    The temporary sales poisoned my gameplay, because of the invisible force and limits. The subscription means to me, you are free, you can reach everything, but not in this game anymore. Very interesting, what a little thing like this, what induces in the players.

    I'm sorry that they decided to introduce temporary sales and this box.
    This could turn out even well, for me sure. I will pay half next year as much in this year for the game.
  • Preyfar
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    Wizzo91 wrote: »
    After spending a specific amount of crowns on crates (approx. 3000-5000) you automatically get to choose one of the Mounts. If you are lucky you can get it earlier.
    They can do this by simply giving a set amount of CS Gems with each box. If you're guaranteed to get a handful of them you'll be able to purchase the things you may get stiffed at with RNG.

    But I can't imagine somebody legitimately trying to collect all 6 mounts. I've dealt with the nightmare that is ZOS RNG trying to farm Maelstrom Arena and go for Master Angler. You're more likely to get 10 of the same mount in a row than the one you're actually after.
  • Sigma957
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    Having played around with this, got 10 crates, on the second opening I got an atro guar mount and some costumes but then it was mostly consumables for the rest of the crates.
  • Faulgor
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    Another reason why this whole thing upsets me is this:

    I was very cautious about the Crown Store in the first place. To me, cosmetics for roleplaying belong into the roleplaying game itself, not into an extra store. But I thought I should support the game, right? Buy the stuff I'd like to see in the future, so ZOS doesn't get any crazy ideas like selling gear in the store. If they see what people buy they will make more of it, I thought.

    So I bought DLC, even when I subscribed because I actually want them to develop new content, and I bought some exclusive costumes, because I want them to create more roleplaying variety, even if it has to be bought from the store. If I had seen a mount that I liked I might have bought that as well, like the upcoming Kagouti.

    But now, with the introduction of these horrible crates, I have to assume all that was for naught. Because they are putting everything behind another paywall. If they are going to do what they want anyway, why should I even bother giving feedback? Why should I bother paying for the things I support? Why should I support the game at all?
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  • Preyfar
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    For those wanting to test further crowns have been replenished.

    EDIT: After opening 13 more crates, I still have 0 Apex rewards and only 60 gems. That'd be in $80 real cash through testing, and I have next to nothing to show for it except a handful of mimic stones, some crappy food items a lot of appearance items I can't use because I mostly play Khajiit. I did get some mounts (red wolf, mind shriven horse) but I was hoping for something shiny.

    If I'd spent real money on this I'd be pretty torqued right about now.
    Edited by Preyfar on September 21, 2016 12:20PM
  • Akwila
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    Aside from not being able to see the cards (the loot is still added) the method and delivery are all nice and good.

    However, I think that putting exclusives behind an RNG paywall is a ***, shameful, and dirty way to make money. HOWEVER, this is somewhat remedied by the gem functionality BUT the exclusives are much too expensive. On average it seems, you get about 5 to 10 gems only after you dump a considerable amount of cash into this (this is crappy) and then you have to open 40+ more boxes to have enough gems to get an exclusive which is an UNGODLY amount of money.

    Solutions:

    -Decrease the number if gems needed to buy an exclusive to be about $40 to $60 worth of crates (could be a tish bit higher or lower). Gem cost for exclusives could be 150-200 (if you get, on average 5 gems per crate, which you wont without first dumping a crap ton of cash into it, then this would still cost the player 16,000 or less in crowns which is still pretty freakin' expensive). So bring gem costs down to like 100? Still pricey at 8,000 crowns

    -Give 1-10 gems ALWAYS with each crate on top of gems awarded for doubles .

    -Allow crown consumables (except XP scrolls) to be recycled for gems at a 10:1 ratio.

    OR

    Dismantle this whole toxic system and just sell the items during time limited sales. There. Fixed.


    Based on my test of this on the PTS, I will never buy this or put money into it. I will also actively dissuade others from doing so as well.
    Edited by Akwila on September 21, 2016 12:27PM
  • Darlon
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    Having played some other games in the past where these kind of things were common (and quite succesful), I can't say I am impressed with this.

    Swtor did many things wrong, but I like the way they handled the items you could get from these kind of boxes:

    Right now when we get a vanity item (costume, mount, pet etc) that we don't have yet it gets added to your collection immediately. Once it is a double it is converted to gems automatically...

    A way better option would be (in my opinion, like they did in swtor) if all the items would be put into our inventory as a consumable box (every item a seperate box). Then we could chose what to do with it, for instance use it ourselves, convert into gems, or trade with another player (maybe he has the exact mount I want, and I have the one he wants).
  • Lumenn
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    Seen a few here worry about Zos adding "uber" gear/weapons etc. You know they don't even have to go there right?(they might eventually) they just have to lower the drop rates of gold mats, flowers, kuta/anything really(if they haven't already) then these consumables that are "worse" than ones we craft ourselves start looking good when all mats are rare and 300k or more....THATS what worries me.....
  • Palindiil
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    I'm so disappointed by them adding in normal mounts like the black lion and the red wolf, as well as pets like the chub loon.

    WAY too optimistic, but has anyone considered that they MIGHT come onto the Crown Store live in the next two months, as limited time offers, BEFORE they go into the crates?

    There are 2 unreleased before 'normal' mounts - the lion and the wolf (October and November?) and 7 unreleased before 'normal' pets - the black mask bear dog, the clouded senche cub, the red pit wolf pup, the rosy netch, the tangerine dragon frog, & the chub loon. I guess they COULD be the next two months crown offerings?

    Or am I being too hopeful here?
  • SantieClaws
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    Palindiil wrote: »
    I'm so disappointed by them adding in normal mounts like the black lion and the red wolf, as well as pets like the chub loon.

    WAY too optimistic, but has anyone considered that they MIGHT come onto the Crown Store live in the next two months, as limited time offers, BEFORE they go into the crates?

    There are 2 unreleased before 'normal' mounts - the lion and the wolf (October and November?) and 7 unreleased before 'normal' pets - the black mask bear dog, the clouded senche cub, the red pit wolf pup, the rosy netch, the tangerine dragon frog, & the chub loon. I guess they COULD be the next two months crown offerings?

    Or am I being too hopeful here?

    Khajiit has considered this and lives in hope however as there has been no clarification on this then khajiit she must assume the worst for now - as all things involving the crates point in that direction.

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  • Palindiil
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    Palindiil wrote: »
    I'm so disappointed by them adding in normal mounts like the black lion and the red wolf, as well as pets like the chub loon.

    WAY too optimistic, but has anyone considered that they MIGHT come onto the Crown Store live in the next two months, as limited time offers, BEFORE they go into the crates?

    There are 2 unreleased before 'normal' mounts - the lion and the wolf (October and November?) and 7 unreleased before 'normal' pets - the black mask bear dog, the clouded senche cub, the red pit wolf pup, the rosy netch, the tangerine dragon frog, & the chub loon. I guess they COULD be the next two months crown offerings?

    Or am I being too hopeful here?

    Khajiit has considered this and lives in hope however as there has been no clarification on this then khajiit she must assume the worst for now - as all things involving the crates point in that direction.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Fingers and paws crossed, eh?
  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno Is it intended that you can get adornments / body markings that you can't use on any of your characters? E.g. getting adornments that are limited to Argonians when you don't have a single Argonian.
    Additionally you still get riding lessons even if you have maxed out all riding skills on all 12 characters, making them completely useless untill the charatcter cap will be increased again.
    Furthermore you can get the same collectible twice from one single crate.

    For the consumables I'm undecided. I never buy them direktly and I wouldn't use any of them for trial speedruns or duelling, but for easier content like dailies some of them (weapon damage, spell damage and tripots) would be a nice alternative to dropped potions. However poisons, invis pots, drinks and food are unsless in most situations.

    In general I guess I won't buy any crates. The storm attro mounts look nice (especially the senche) but from my testing so far I guess that I need to spend ~40k crowns to get enough crown gems for it which is more than I can afford.
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    @kkordasb14_ESO : You sounded like you were about to cry near the end there, so have a hug. *hug*
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  • Slurg
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    I'm curious ZOS, do you even really care? The concensus seems to be in the form they are in now they are strongly disliked.

    Or are you pulling some "hard" data from pts right now and cheering in the office because so many people baught crates because they were so excited for them?

    Oh no - I didn't even think about that. I don't even want to test these on PTS anymore lest my testing be misinterpreted as hard data proving my enthusiasm for the product!
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  • eserras7b16_ESO
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    I dislike the idea in general.

    That's a trap for not so smart people who will bet money on them, sometimes when they don't have it. Keep the policy on the Crown Store cool, and invest the time on content. We want those special mounts to be given also in the content via achievements, etc.
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  • DPShiro
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    code65536 wrote: »
    There are two very easy fixes for Crown Crates:

    Option 1: Let us by Crown Gems directly with Crowns. Something like 15 Crowns per Gem or something. This keeps gambling open as an option for people who prefer to play luck games, but allow everyone else to essentially direct-purchase everything and avoid all the nonsense.

    Option 2: Scrap the idea.


    A good idea! Sadly they probably won't listen.
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  • GhostwalkerLD
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    Slurg wrote: »
    Am I understanding this correctly? The style parlor, which was long anticipated and wanted by almost everyone, ended up being a pay money to go back to creation screen mechanic instead of involving any in-world interactive features as originally discussed. But this garbage that almost no one wanted has an in-game interaction with our beloved Pacrooti?!?

    Way to show where your priorities lie. I'm even more disgusted by this now.

    Agreed.. that was the final teaspoon of salt that rubbed the wound raw. :(
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  • MissBizz
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    Palindiil wrote: »
    I'm so disappointed by them adding in normal mounts like the black lion and the red wolf, as well as pets like the chub loon.

    WAY too optimistic, but has anyone considered that they MIGHT come onto the Crown Store live in the next two months, as limited time offers, BEFORE they go into the crates?

    There are 2 unreleased before 'normal' mounts - the lion and the wolf (October and November?) and 7 unreleased before 'normal' pets - the black mask bear dog, the clouded senche cub, the red pit wolf pup, the rosy netch, the tangerine dragon frog, & the chub loon. I guess they COULD be the next two months crown offerings?

    Or am I being too hopeful here?

    Khajiit has considered this and lives in hope however as there has been no clarification on this then khajiit she must assume the worst for now - as all things involving the crates point in that direction.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    I'm in the same boat. I really hope only the atronach stuff is exclusive... but when we asked for clarification it only muddied the waters further. As it stands I need to brace for the worst.. which would mean ~39 exclusive items vs ~16 past items. Hopefully they clear this up and the majority of the crates are past items rather than exclusives.
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  • Llogwey
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    - About consumables / potions etc....

    Well I don't use any of crown store consumables I may be interested in everything about wardrobe/mount/pet but nothing else, so having 3 out of 4 items be consumables WITHOUT the ability to redeem them for crown gems makes the idea not worthwhile for me...

    - general feedback

    I made a test : I bought EVERY possible item (mount, wardrobe, upgrades) from the crown store, thinking I would easily find doubles in crates because I already had everything... but no ! every appearance or mounts or pets I got were ... new, so I was not able to find doubles (and get crown gems) even if I possess the whole current crown store oO only because rewards from the crate often come from items that are not.. on the crown store... so it's hard to get doubles outside of crates rewards themselves.

    You definitly should give the ability to redeem consumables for crown geems in bundles, or simply directly transform crown crates into crown gems, voluntarily giving up on what the content could be, but in order to be able to collect enough gems to buy superior/epic/legendary items

    Or allow items from the "crown gems store" to be buyable with crown coins on special promotional occasions at least

    The way it is at the moment is necessarily a "money pump" FORCING people to buy stuff they don't want in order to have a CHANCE to BUY something they DO want... that's a bit "pervert" :) or you need to dramatically change the ratios or price of crates.

    Maybe you should also consider giving a certain number of crates or well, some kind of system, for eso+ subscribers.

    Well those are only my feedback :)
  • Ilsabet
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    Inb4 they were never actually planning to implement this system in-game and it was all just an elaborate scheme to get people primed to pay higher prices for crown store items out of sheer relief that they're not locked in RNG boxes.
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  • Khenarthi
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    The feeling I got is that most of them will be exclusives, as per the tooltips now. Which is a pity, I was really looking forward to getting the purple nixad. And possibly many other future items which will be only be accessible via crates.

    Oh well... it just means I will spend my subscription bonus crowns on something else, and have little incentive to buy extra crowns.

    I really hope that cool stuff continues to be added outside of crate content though. Otherwise I will end up with a massive stockpile of crowns but nothing to spend them on!
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  • MissBizz
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    @Llogwey If you right click the crate in the crown store screen you can select "preview" and see what items you could possibly find it the crate. These are the same items you can buy for gems plus it lists the consumables you can (do) get. There are about 16 past items (frostmare etc.) compared to about 39 new items (not including consumables). So yeah, even if you own a lot to begin with.. chances of getting duplicates are pretty low until you've opened enough to have the common "new" items.
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