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Official Discussion Thread for Crown Crates

  • Auricle
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    52% percent of forum go'ers voted against them being in the game in a 109 page thread. I think you have your answer Zo$.

    Honestly, it seems like these Crown Crates aren't aimed at us forum go'ers. They're aiming for the cash-ual, those who play less but have no problem dropping ten bucks on a digital lottery ticket. ZoS doesn't care that we don't want them, because they're going to make money off the people who aren't on here. It's pretty awful, but that's the way things are going nowadays. Games are businesses first and foremost. The only thing you can do is not buy them when they come out. Personally, I plan on pretending they don't exist, because gambling is for suckers.

  • rhapsodious
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    Lumenn wrote: »
    I'm surprised the rates don't seem to be rigged for PTS, at least. A tiny consolation: we'll know how bad the rates are ahead of time. <_< .

    How do you know they aren't? With the number of rng threads for the whole game we know you can run dungeons over, and over, and over, and over. And the rates can be adjusted. I wouldn't guess the rates if this were LIVE from one day to the next, much less on pts.

    I don't, but given how bad the rates are now it seems like this is where they wanted it to be on live. Less than a percent for the mounts, abundance of trash consumables nobody asked for... sounds about right.
  • Elsonso
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    Auricle wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    52% percent of forum go'ers voted against them being in the game in a 109 page thread. I think you have your answer Zo$.

    Honestly, it seems like these Crown Crates aren't aimed at us forum go'ers. They're aiming for the cash-ual, those who play less but have no problem dropping ten bucks on a digital lottery ticket. ZoS doesn't care that we don't want them, because they're going to make money off the people who aren't on here. It's pretty awful, but that's the way things are going nowadays. Games are businesses first and foremost. The only thing you can do is not buy them when they come out. Personally, I plan on pretending they don't exist, because gambling is for suckers.

    I don't recommend them. No one asks, so I guess I am not alone.
    Edited by Elsonso on September 21, 2016 1:17AM
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  • silvereyes
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    There are two types of people that would buy these crates with their current drop rates:
    • Those who can't afford a 5500 crown time-limited mount who see the crates as their only option of ever obtaining them
    • Those who can afford to dump hundreds into the game like it's nothing, because they want what they want
    I really have no problem with ZOS taking the latter's money. They won't miss it anyways.

    What I have a problem with is that ZOS is now actively exploiting a category of people who by definition, don't have money to be spending. Many live paycheck-to-paycheck, so buying crowns in bulk is also not an option. It will be the 750 crown pack for them, the worst value, which is also not divisible by 400, by the way.

    It makes me sad to see a company that got into the business for the love of the lore and the game stoop to the level of casinos and predatory lenders.
  • JimT722
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno Is it intended that you can get adornments / body markings that you can't use on any of your characters? E.g. getting adornments that are limited to Argonians when you don't have a single Argonian.

    "Random" loot crate not get exactly what you want loot crate.
  • LadyNalcarya
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    I used all my testing crowns on those crates, and got nothing I could possibly use... Only potions, a couple of riding lessons, an ugly hat and some argonian hairstyle, as well as 15 crown gems. So basically 5000 crowns gave me 15 gems, and a mount costs 400 of them... Thats insane. I dont mind buying mounts, even for 4-5k crowns, and Ive got a lot of crown store items, but this way it would be 50k+ crowns or even 100k+ if youre unlucky. No thanks.
    This whole thing is THE worst feature in this game. The items in crates arent even worth the crate price, and its clearly designed to prey on players. This is not a consumer-friendly way to sell items.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on September 21, 2016 1:46AM
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  • SleepyTroll
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    I'm curious ZOS, do you even really care? The concensus seems to be in the form they are in now they are strongly disliked.

    Or are you pulling some "hard" data from pts right now and cheering in the office because so many people baught crates because they were so excited for them?
  • MissBizz
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    Day 1 take.

    New Collectible I wanted
    Please note that after 5200 crowns spent this section is completely empty

    Past Collectible I bought
    Shornhelm Shepherd x 1 (don't know gems yet since on PTS I don't own it)

    Past Collectible I didn't care for but might use
    Golden Eye Guar x 1
    Soul-Shriven Armor Outfit x 1After I put it on I realized I should have put this in the "Past collectible I dislike and won't ever use" category.

    Past collectible I dislike and won't ever use
    Battlemage Tribune Armor x 1
    Battlemage Scout Captain Uniform x 1
    Daedric Scamp x 2 = 5 gems

    New collectible I dislike and won't ever use
    Fibonaccus Spiral Hat x 1

    New Collectible I didn't care for but might use
    Azure Brow-to-Temple Circlet x 2 = 5 gems
    Shadow Striping x 1
    Storm Atronach Aura x 1

    Stuff I can use but would never buy in the crown store
    Crown Crate XP Scroll x 3
    Crown Repair Kit x 5
    Crown Lesson: Riding Capacity x 1

    Stuff I can't use on any character
    Roostertail Frills x 2 = 5 gems

    Junk that clutters my inventory
    Crown Warrior's Elixir x 6
    Crown Spellcaster's Elixir x 1
    Crown Fortifying Meal x 2
    Crown lethal Poison x 3
    Crown Mimic Stone x 6 (I buy costume so don't bother with nice armor)
    Crown Tri-Restoration Potion x 4
    Crown Invisibility Potion x 2
    Crown Survivor's Elixir x 5
    Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
    Generally, no.
    Do you have any general feedback?
    IF I actually liked this idea and system, I would be annoyed that there are two popups after EVERY crate I buy so it's pretty annoying to buy multiples.

    Video of the opening and some of my thoughts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZF7MmqcSk
    Edited by MissBizz on September 21, 2016 1:34PM
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  • LadyNalcarya
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    Auricle wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    52% percent of forum go'ers voted against them being in the game in a 109 page thread. I think you have your answer Zo$.

    Honestly, it seems like these Crown Crates aren't aimed at us forum go'ers. They're aiming for the cash-ual, those who play less but have no problem dropping ten bucks on a digital lottery ticket.

    Its actually even worse.
    In many games that introduce stuff like this, you can actually use or sell unwanted items, or get some p2w stuff. Im 100% against p2w and sellable cash shop items, but I just want to say that in those games there's still some kind of incentive to buy the crates even if you dont get an item you want.
    In this game, crown consumables are worse than those you can obtain in game, and if you get something you cant use (for example, an argonian hairstyle when you have 12 non-argonian characters, or riding lessons if those characters already have maxed out mounts), youve basically wasted your money.
    It would be semi-ok if every crate was 100 or 150 crowns and would always drop some crown gems, but atm it just looks horrible, even compared to other games.
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  • guul
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    • Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
    food, drink, and potions are terrible and useless. these are just trash or more than that. it even will make my gameplay flat and boring.
    It will ruin my fun of crafting consumables, seriously.
    Edited by guul on September 21, 2016 2:21AM
  • Alpheu5
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    I got a bunch of consumables I deleted immediately, some race-specific items I'll never use, the roostertail frills that I've been using since the Dark Brotherhood PTS and have patiently been waiting for all these months, some costumes I already have on Live, and the Gold Guar, which I also already have on Live. In the end, I walked away with a measly 10 gems for what amounts to two or three good games on Steam. I can say without a doubt that I'll be spending precisely 0 crowns on these crates. The possible return on the investment is pathetic and the entire concept deserves to be *** and Gomorrah'd.
    Edited by Alpheu5 on September 21, 2016 2:49AM
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  • Abeille
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    Auricle wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    52% percent of forum go'ers voted against them being in the game in a 109 page thread. I think you have your answer Zo$.

    Honestly, it seems like these Crown Crates aren't aimed at us forum go'ers. They're aiming for the cash-ual, those who play less but have no problem dropping ten bucks on a digital lottery ticket.

    Its actually even worse.
    In many games that introduce stuff like this, you can actually use or sell unwanted items, or get some p2w stuff. Im 100% against p2w and sellable cash shop items, but I just want to say that in those games there's still some kind of incentive to buy the crates even if you dont get an item you want.

    Just something I just remembered.

    Wasn't ZOS sending out emails to some people about a Crown Store gifting system they were experimenting with, a while ago?
    Maybe they do intend on making the Crown Crate stuff tradeable.
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    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
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  • mApplinator
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    I haven't tested them myself yet (stuck at work!) but I've been reading all the feedback and watched a number of videos.

    I actually hate this whole thing - I want to be able to buy my atronach mount outright, even for a stupid price tag - but I'll try to point out some specific things that MIGHT get changed.

    I think the gem return for duplicates should be 1:1. It's ridiculous that a scamp will cost me 15 gems to buy, but I only get 5 gems if I get a second one.

    I'm sure this has been said before, but your news update says crates will contain "a randomized selection of useful consumables". The word 'useful' here is a complete joke. Nobody at endgame is going to actually want to use those potions/food/drink. The scrolls will be used by anybody levelling alts, or below CP cap, but everything else is junk.

    And lastly, Pacrooti throws the cards from left to right (of the camera) but they 'land' right to left. This really annoys me.
  • kamimark
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    • Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
    • Do you have any general feedback?

    The thing where you suddenly hallucinate Pacrooti dealing cards is very strange… I didn't know I was taking skooma, but now I am.

    Buying 12 crown crates, I got the storm atronach appearance widget, which is very cool. And the storm ball juggling, which locks you in place, it would be great if you could run with them, but as it is I'd never get around to using it. Some mediocre pets (two of the same dumb lizard, so I got some crown gems), another hat very similar to the felt hat in the store, some costumes & appearances. Not a great drop rate, but that one widget would be worth a few crates to me.

    However, the regular supplies in the crates were ludicrously bad. 1 crown meal (not 1 stack, 1 item). 1 mimic stone. 5 of some potion. Food & drink that doesn't stack with the crown supply crate food & drink. They ought to be nearly equivalent to the crown supply crates, if they cost so much.

    In one crate, I got 1 mimic stone. 1 mimic stone. 1 mimic stone. 5 potions. You shouldn't give out multiples of the same thing per crate.

    A single meal. For 100 crowns, $1 basically. That one hurt. Like, do you just want to hold me down and kick me some more? Pacrooti could rear back and laugh at my misfortune. That'd be great.
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  • Pandorii
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    First, thank you ZOS for allowing us to test the crates before implementation. It gives me hope that you all are actually looking to get feedback before you go live with it, and I expect you will get plenty (lots) of feedback on it for sure. The more feedback you get, the more likely that feedback is representative of the community at large, right?

    Second, I wanted to thank you ZOS for giving us the realistic drop rates of the items. Some speculated that the testing period would have more generous drop rates to make us 'feel' like we could win, and then they would be revised in the future to make the odds lower (when it goes live). They can't possibly get worse than they already are. Some people are already putting information together and getting a <1% drop rate for the special mounts.

    Here is my feedback:
    1.The consumables are no longer relevant in most cases, because they are not nearly equal with in-game craftable consumables. I agree with your model of not offering anything in those crates better than available in-game, but they need to be closer to parity or have their drop rate significantly reduced.
    2. They're too expensive for what they reward.
    3. Nobody wants to get items they don't need (i.e. argonian frills when you don't have argonian characters or dresses for all-male characters). Allow us to trade in unwanted items for gems or have some way to filter out those items (don't include race-specific styles or gender-specific costumes).
    4. Provide more gems for duplicates. Relative to the cost of items purchased with gems, the amount we are awarded for duplicates is too tiny.
    5. Provide interesting crown store options that are not locked in the RNG boxes for those of us who don't like gambling.
  • FireCowCommando
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    Pandorii wrote: »
    5. Provide interesting crown store options that are not locked in the RNG boxes for those of us who don't like gambling.

    Im not sure if you saw this, but theres already a huge amount of datamined stuff ZoS is locking exclusively behind the gamble boxes :neutral:

    This is the first of 4 or 5 different types of boxes we will be seeing
    Edited by FireCowCommando on September 21, 2016 3:00AM
  • Preyfar
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    Applinator wrote: »
    I think the gem return for duplicates should be 1:1. It's ridiculous that a scamp will cost me 15 gems to buy, but I only get 5 gems if I get a second one.
    If the gem return was 1:1 I'd definitely have no issue buying crates, as it'd make the chances of me getting items I want actually somewhat high. I keep trying to do the math, and since it's purely RNG, it's far, far too possible to just get absolutely screwed and never get anything you want.

    The only thing I could think of as acceptable is the random 5th card you can get is SOLELY gems (e.g. you get anywhere from 20-100 Crown Store Gems when you get that 5th card).
  • Glarin
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    I don't mind the Crate system so long as I can still drop $50 to buy a special mount instead of gambling $300 to try and get it from a crate.
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  • Pandorii
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    @FireCowCommando Yea.. That was exactly where I was coming from when I posted that. I got the idea from @MissBizz 's post, where she shows a list of all the exclusive items. There are so SO many! At first glance, I felt betrayed. It seemed they had spent so much valuable time developing these gorgeous items, and they decided to hoard them to put into the little gambling scheme rather than share them month-by-month with the public. I also suspect that in the future we will see new types of crates, like those wild hunt mounts or skeletal mounts that had been data mined before (unconfirmed, of course). What is most upsetting is the ratio of exclusives to previously obtainable. It seems evil that they would try to sucker us into gambling to get these vanity items if we really like them...

    However, upon further reflection, if the items we saw in the crown crates are all they will really offer for a while, it seems reasonable that there would be that many. Say that box is only box available for 3 months (or 6 months), somebody who play they game (and has a lot of $.$) would easily go through all the exclusives if there were fewer. The mini-exclusives (like the hats and pets) are not particularly awesome... I can maybe name a few as 5 items I would have considered purchasing, with the exception of the super awesome mounts of course. With the reward not being worth the risk with the current odds, I can pass on those 5 easily IF, and, here's the IF, we continue to see just as much energy put into the development of crown store items that are not RNG box exclusives. For example, the red wolf mount is sexy, but if you give me the white wolf mount as an option to buy for 3k crowns, I'll take it, even if I would have preferred the red one had I had both options.

    I'm asking for EQUAL number of RNG exclusives and non-RNG exclusives available in a monthly basis. We're already down to 2 costumes, a few hairstyles, one cosmetic, and 1 mount per month. I've been sitting on 8k crowns with nothing to buy, because new items don't come often and the variety is slim. That upsets me. I've seen all the cool hairstyles they released that were data-mined back in DB PTS (two patches ago!). Where are they? The community thought we were going to see them all when DB rolled out, but instead we are getting 1 per month, because some of them are being hoarded for the RNG boxes for months to come. Give us choices so you can take my money ZOS. I'm not a gambler. I'm not tempted at all by your boxes. So if I'm going to be incentivized to buy more crowns, I'll need to see non-RNG exclusive options available that are interesting and desirable.

    ...and I'll end with a quote from myself in the general feedback thread.
    Pandorii wrote: »

    5. Consider our feedback before going live with the loot crates the way they are. This is a huge business decision, and it's not only going to affect the game's balance, and whether or not people will continue playing the game. It will affect your reputation as a company and whether or not people well ever play any of your games again. Seriously.

  • oddavi
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    Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?

    No theyre just useless crap like everything that is only a 1 time use.



    Do you have any general feedback?

    Just as expected they just give crap and doesn't give enough gems/items for the price.
    Anyway they shouldn't ever get to live.
    I know i won't stay if they do ( they're the main reason i left SWTOR )
  • Loralai_907
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    Ok, I finally was able to get on and buy my 5200 crowns worth of crates. Here is what I received:

    I would never in a million years buy this stuff from the crown store:
    Crown Invisibility Potion x 45
    Crown Tri-Restoration Potion x 35
    Crown Lethal Poison x 125
    Crown Warriors Elixir x 20
    Crown Spellcasters Elixir x 10
    Crown Survivors Elixir x 15

    I would not buy it in the corwn store, but might use it if I ended up with them somehow:
    Grand Crown Crate Experience Scroll
    Crown Crate Refreshing Drink
    Crown Crate Fortifying Meal
    Crown Repair kit x 3
    Crown Mimic Stone x 3
    Crown Lesson: Riding Stamina

    Better items, that I still didn't want or could not use (I have zero Argonians):
    Storm Atronach Horse (mount)
    Roostertail Frills (Argonian Only)
    Helstrom Ancestor Lizard (pet)
    Red Pit Wolf pup (pet)
    Wrestlers Burr Cut (hair)
    Evening Dress (costume)
    Fibonaccus Spiral Hat
    Daedric Scamp (pet)
    Battlemage Scout Captain Uniform (costume) x 2 *
    Battlemage Tribune Armor (costume) x 2 *


    Ok, maybe this one is ok and I might consider using it:
    Shornhelm Shephard (pet)


    * duplicate items I received 5 gems each = 10 gems

    There is not ONE thing on this list that is on my have to have list. I mean, yay I got one of the Atronach mounts, but the only one I wanted even before they were released on the PTS was the Senche.

    For 400 crowns each, it isn't worth it for me. I prefer the direct approach to purchasing items, knowing exactly what I am getting. I spent 5200 crowns today and got a bunch of stuff I either didn't need, couldn't use, or would not have chosen to buy on my own. So there you have it. It isn't for me. But good luck.






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  • MissBizz
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    Glarin wrote: »
    I don't mind the Crate system so long as I can still drop $50 to buy a special mount instead of gambling $300 to try and get it from a crate.

    @glarin as would I. Unfortunately things will be exclusive so the mount you want could very well never be available for an informed $50 purchase.

    @Pandorii keep in mind for now that list is a guess until they actually tell us how to find out. I'm still hoping they jump out and say "sorry we messed up. ONLY the Atronach stuff is exclusive"

    And I still don't even like that.
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  • RocDonald
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    Honestly, I don't think these boxes should be purchasable. Maybe a free, random drop every 24 hrs from completing a dungeon or just killing some random add. No way I would buy some "crate" for the off chance the rng gods will be in my favor, sorry.
  • Preyfar
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    RocDonald wrote: »
    Honestly, I don't think these boxes should be purchasable. Maybe a free, random drop every 24 hrs from completing a dungeon or just killing some random add. No way I would buy some "crate" for the off chance the rng gods will be in my favor, sorry.
    I don't think they should be free, but the exchange rate for previously owned items needs to be raised. An RNG grind requiring real money is absolutely horrible. I'm not against making some collectables hard, but I feel like it's currently punishing for players/collectors.
  • Ardaman64
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    I had an open mind on the Crown Crate idea, but having tested it....NO WAY I'm wasting money on these. Pandoril summed up my feelings EXACTLY in a previous posting...

    1.The consumables are no longer relevant in most cases, because they are not nearly equal with in-game craftable consumables. I agree with your model of not offering anything in those crates better than available in-game, but they need to be closer to parity or have their drop rate significantly reduced.
    2. They're too expensive for what they reward.
    3. Nobody wants to get items they don't need (i.e. argonian frills when you don't have argonian characters or dresses for all-male characters). Allow us to trade in unwanted items for gems or have some way to filter out those items (don't include race-specific styles or gender-specific costumes).
    4. Provide more gems for duplicates. Relative to the cost of items purchased with gems, the amount we are awarded for duplicates is too tiny.
    5. Provide interesting crown store options that are not locked in the RNG boxes for those of us who don't like gambling.

    I have PURCHASED several costumes and pets from the store, I SUBSCRIBE to the game. I will NEVER buy a crate at 400 Crowns unless ALL five of the above points are addressed.
  • JimT722
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    RocDonald wrote: »
    Honestly, I don't think these boxes should be purchasable. Maybe a free, random drop every 24 hrs from completing a dungeon or just killing some random add. No way I would buy some "crate" for the off chance the rng gods will be in my favor, sorry.
    It's a milking machine. Giving them away defeats the purpose of their implementation.
  • nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO
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    Someone at ESO should have the guts to tell the suit behind this, that there is a difference between providing a service and creating a ripoff.....
  • Preyfar
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    JimT722 wrote: »
    RocDonald wrote: »
    Honestly, I don't think these boxes should be purchasable. Maybe a free, random drop every 24 hrs from completing a dungeon or just killing some random add. No way I would buy some "crate" for the off chance the rng gods will be in my favor, sorry.
    It's a milking machine. Giving them away defeats the purpose of their implementation.
    At least give us an in-game cow pet...
  • dsalter
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    the potions and poisons dilute the life out of them ruining the desire to use the crates, not surprised tho as RNG is Zo$ fave pastime.
    any consumable that comes in 1's is a pure middle finger to the customer, several instances people have reported where the total value of a crate is less that 400. that says gambling. all crates should have a value = to or more than what your paying for else you could be classed as a gambling game.
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    EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
    Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.

  • driosketch
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    Let's start with with what I got: (by Crate: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3378113/#Comment_3378113 )

    Consumables:
    Refreshing Drink (2)
    Fortifying Meal
    Crown Tri-pot (30)
    Warrior Elixir (35)
    Spellcaster Elixir (10)
    Survivor Elixir (10)
    Invisibility Potion (5)
    Lethal Poison (125)
    Riding lesson: Speed
    Riding lesson: Stamina (2)
    Riding lesson: Capacity (3)
    Soul Gem (2)
    Mimic Stone (2)
    Experience Scroll (2)
    Repair Kit

    Collectibles:
    Soul-Shriven Ragged Clothes
    Aurbical Symbols
    Mind Shriven Horse
    Jawbone Blades (+2x duplicates for 10 Gems)
    Soul-Shriven Armor
    "Clever Man" Wizard Hat (+1 duplicate for 5 Gems)
    Azure Brow-to-Temple Circlet (+1 duplicate for 5 Gems)
    Storm Atronach Guar Mount
    Feather Bycoket Cap
    Battlemage Tribune Armor (would be 5 gems for me on live)
    Evening Dress (would be 5 gems for me on live)

    20 Gems (would have been 30 on live) 13 total crates, got a fifth card twice.


    Consumable usefulness:
    Pretty much the drink, food, potions, poisons and soul gems would be deleted because they are just taking up inventory space. Repair kit, Mimic stone, Riding lesson and Experience Scrolls* are of use to me. I've found myself in a trial learning run where the repair kit would have been useful, I don't have as many style materials to craft a couple styles, I plan to remake characters for Black Water Blade, and I still have a few alts not level 50 yet. That said, the worth of these consumables I would want amount to about a 1240 crown value at their most expensive. I spent over 4 times that on crates.

    *(On the subject of stronger scrolls than Psijic potions: just to play Devil's advocate, between the CP Cap, battle leveling and the Holiday event bonuses, XP boosts are hardly an advantage. The scrolls matter to me still, but just barley. Even I, who was a slower leveler is less than 10 CP from the new One Tamriel Cap raise.)


    Collectible desirability:
    Already have Battlemage Tribune Armor and Evening Dress on Live. I have no interest in Aurbical Symbols or Jawbone blade. Soul-Shriven Ragged Clothes, Soul-Shriven Armor, Azure Brow-to-Temple Circle, and Feather Bycoket Cap are nice, but maybe not something I would have bought on its own. Mind Shriven Horse and Storm Atronach Guar Mount are awesome mounts, probably wouldn't have picked these up at the limited time mount prices though. "Clever Man" Wizard Hat I would pay the price of both crates it popped up in directly if I could.

    Also, really lucked out on the guar pull, worth a sales 5500 crown pack alone. But I am not swayed on gamble boxes by a lucky roll here or there, ZOS . Excluding the Guar but not the horse (2200 crown), the total crown value of the "good stuff" (including the consumables and the hat) was around 4000 this time around.


    General Feedback:
    Pacrooti started with a shiny texture, had to log in and out to fix. I can't hate Pacrooti, but he reminds me too much of a bonus game in modern casino slots. The location of the gem store and the position of the crate opening menu kept throwing me off. I would rather if that button led directly to the gem store instead of Pacrooti.

    I'll see what day 2 brings, but I feel like Crown Crates are going to provide me with less value crown for crown than the store.
    Edited by driosketch on September 21, 2016 5:08AM
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