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Nightblade nerf.
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »A nerf to Stamblades means a nerf to Magblades. And Magblades already are both squishy as hell and hit like a wet noodle. They only play for show lately.
Mageblade is low key good. They're like the mDK of 1.6 atm, the best buildBruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
idk which NBs you know, but cloak isn't for escaping, its for setting up burst combos
Umm... What? Have you ever been in Imperial City districts? Or better yet, have you been in Cyrodiil itself? Anytime I set foot into Cyrodiil, I see Nightblades getting those cheeks busted, and go cloak to run off from getting butchered further. I see it regularly. It's not just for setting up combos. In fact, it's original use is FOR escape. That claim of cloak only being used for offensive purposes, is like saying bolt escape is only for offensive purposes. And we both know that is far from the truth. But sure, we can play that game. Let's have bolt escape returned to its former glory, because remember. It's only for setting up combos. Lol.2 -
dashima✭✭✭Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class
2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.
3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.
4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.Venatus | Hagnado
AD | Revân Stamina Nightblade AR35 scrub
AD | Rëvan Stamina Sorcerer fotm
DC | Ain Ghazal Magicka DKtfw too lazy to grind
AD | Ain Ghazal Magicka DK
AD | Run I Triggered Them Magicka Templar
DC | Inner Postern Wall Stamina Templar
DC | Kaivalanth Magicka Nightblade
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✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
And a cost increase everytime a templar uses BOL within a certain period
But in all seriousness cloak right now is so bugged as light attacks / skills break cloak and I have to often spam it 3 times for it to work once. The last thing cloak needs right now is a nerf.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW you're confusing ease of entry with mastery. You may be better suited for it, or better than the average player.
So tell me, are you better, or are you a bad player with an easy mode class for flawless runs?
No, it's not hard for a newbie or someone whose never played an NB to pick one up and go do decently with it overland. Or in groups as a DPS roll. Once you get into the realm of self sufficiency it takes a lot more understanding of how NB skills work with each other and other skill lines than it does for say a Templar or Dragonknight.
What...? I'm confused. Are you calling Nightblades easy mode? Because I am. They're ridiculously easy to master. Also, VMA is 100% self-sufficiency. There's no healer in VMA. There is no tank in VMA. There is no other DPS in VMA. It's you, and you alone. Therefore you must be all 3 roles, and do them quite well in order to succeeded and be deemed worthy of Stormproof. Further more, you have to perform at a skill level higher than that which is listed to be classified as a Flawless Conqueror. So your argument has me a bit confused. Do you mind explaining a bit, or breaking it down for me?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
And a cost increase everytime a templar uses BOL within a certain period
But in all seriousness cloak right now is so bugged as light attacks / skills break cloak and I have to often spam it 3 times for it to work once. The last thing cloak needs right now is a nerf.
I rarely even bother with shadowy disguise or dark cloak anymore. Hardly worth the resources half the time it seems.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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✭✭✭✭✭Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class
2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.
3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.
4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.
The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.1 -
BruhItsOver9000✭✭✭✭✭Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class
2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.
3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.
4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
Bad players will always complain, you gank a bad player, they complain, you kill a bad player in a 1v1, they complain, you kill a bad player in a 1vX, they complain and if you use a set against them that they don't like, they complain. They're just salty that they got killed by nightblade.Edited by BruhItsOver9000 on September 20, 2016 5:01PMWOOD ELF MASTER RACE.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW you're confusing ease of entry with mastery. You may be better suited for it, or better than the average player.
So tell me, are you better, or are you a bad player with an easy mode class for flawless runs?
No, it's not hard for a newbie or someone whose never played an NB to pick one up and go do decently with it overland. Or in groups as a DPS roll. Once you get into the realm of self sufficiency it takes a lot more understanding of how NB skills work with each other and other skill lines than it does for say a Templar or Dragonknight.
What...? I'm confused. Are you calling Nightblades easy mode? Because I am. They're ridiculously easy to master. Also, VMA is 100% self-sufficiency. There's no healer in VMA. There is no tank in VMA. There is no other DPS in VMA. It's you, and you alone. Therefore you must be all 3 roles, and do them quite well in order to succeeded and be deemed worthy of Stormproof. Further more, you have to perform at a skill level higher than that which is listed to be classified as a Flawless Conqueror. So your argument has me a bit confused. Do you mind explaining a bit, or breaking it down for me?
Just because you may be good at it doesn't mean everyone is.
Many people can go look up a build, apply it, get told what the rotation or methods needed are, but can they tell you why? Do they actually understand the class [skills]or are they just doing what they were taught?
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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✭For the eight and yet to be born lord and savior Talos. Are you guys really arguing about nerfing the NB? I MEAN THE NB?
Oh Talos, please purge our world of these people.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW you're confusing ease of entry with mastery. You may be better suited for it, or better than the average player.
So tell me, are you better, or are you a bad player with an easy mode class for flawless runs?
No, it's not hard for a newbie or someone whose never played an NB to pick one up and go do decently with it overland. Or in groups as a DPS roll. Once you get into the realm of self sufficiency it takes a lot more understanding of how NB skills work with each other and other skill lines than it does for say a Templar or Dragonknight.
What...? I'm confused. Are you calling Nightblades easy mode? Because I am. They're ridiculously easy to master. Also, VMA is 100% self-sufficiency. There's no healer in VMA. There is no tank in VMA. There is no other DPS in VMA. It's you, and you alone. Therefore you must be all 3 roles, and do them quite well in order to succeeded and be deemed worthy of Stormproof. Further more, you have to perform at a skill level higher than that which is listed to be classified as a Flawless Conqueror. So your argument has me a bit confused. Do you mind explaining a bit, or breaking it down for me?
Just because you may be good at it doesn't mean everyone is.
Many people can go look up a build, apply it, get told what the rotation or methods needed are, but can they tell you why? Do they actually understand the class [skills]or are they just doing what they were taught?
I'll give you that one, and agree with you. Very well then. I'll stand down on this particular debate of sorts. You raised a very true and valid point. Kudos.0 -
OOJIMMY✭✭✭Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
That's the thing, I don't have any issues with the ult it's self but how easy it is getting it back so fast.
And I fail to see how this would drastically change stamblades.0 -
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✭Isellskooma wrote: »
"You can't 1vX good players" -SypherPKthankyourat wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.
I agree somewhat. Nightblades are easy 1vX because they completely destroy bad players and players with bad builds. Also new players don't know how to deal with cloak so you can take advantage of them, but against competent players they are kind of weak. Major mending is the best passive in the game. All stam classes need a nerf but stamblade is last on the chopping block for a nerf. Until something is done about these stamplars who are unkillable with major vitality pots and major mending I think we should leave nightblade alone. The clever alchemist gank builds are a different story but I think it's that set that needs a nerf
I'm pretty sure he's the person who said that but I agree with you on templars doing that but just overall healing it's over the top IMO.
I agree, but how do you balance stamblade though it's too strong against bad players and kind of weak against good players. It's the only class like that. How do you nerf their 1vX capabilities while buffing them so they can compete with stamplar and stam dk, while at the same time not nerfing my magblade2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NB skills arent the problem, Velidreth + Viper + Ambush + Incap Combo is...
TBH I would agree with increasing cost of Incap Strike if it would be undodgeable. Less spam, more reliability. But its just me...
How can a combo be a "problem"?? Get real......It´s a mmo, to achieve the best combo of skills/gear/class/race etc is the core in a mmo.
Its because its unavoidable, instant, dealing freaking 25k+ dmg. Well its like you just, ambush someone, surprise attack (while still being invisible) and incap him (incap has separate cool down so it can be used in ms right after surprise). Most of the folks are dead. I don mind being ganked, but ffs at least by someone who has some skills not by a EQ owner.
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And for all those "Enough of nerf threads".
Where were you when sorcs were nerefed?
Where were you when mag dks were nerfed?
Let me gues...Edited by Mayrael on September 20, 2016 5:26PMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »A nerf to Stamblades means a nerf to Magblades. And Magblades already are both squishy as hell and hit like a wet noodle. They only play for show lately.
Mageblade is low key good. They're like the mDK of 1.6 atm, the best buildBruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
idk which NBs you know, but cloak isn't for escaping, its for setting up burst combos
Umm... What? Have you ever been in Imperial City districts? Or better yet, have you been in Cyrodiil itself? Anytime I set foot into Cyrodiil, I see Nightblades getting those cheeks busted, and go cloak to run off from getting butchered further. I see it regularly. It's not just for setting up combos. In fact, it's original use is FOR escape. That claim of cloak only being used for offensive purposes, is like saying bolt escape is only for offensive purposes. And we both know that is far from the truth. But sure, we can play that game. Let's have bolt escape returned to its former glory, because remember. It's only for setting up combos. Lol.
idk which NB you know. A mageblade worth its salt is using Shadow image for escape and a stamblade won't have enough magika to truly escape with cloak. I play a mageblade, quite well actually, and I can tell you that if you're using cloak as an escape and not as a way to either set up your burst or dodge attacks/relieve pressure then you're doing it wrong. Cloak has far too many reliable counters to be used as an escape, its why many mageblades run shadow image and/or mist form on top of cloak.
Furthermore, if you look at NB passives, particularly Master Assassin, you'll see that cloak is indeed meant as an offensive skill. Perhaps if you bothered to learn more about mechanics you'll stop getting rekt by NB. I imagine you see a NB cloak, start assuming they're trying to escape and blow a bunch of aoe's off then get melted by the burst from stealth.Edited by Lexxypwns on September 20, 2016 5:29PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
Cloaks have a counter, streak does not. There is a huge difference. I really have no skin in the game, but comparing cloak to streak is not as simple as you make it.2 -
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✭Knootewoot wrote: »A nerf to Stamblades means a nerf to Magblades. And Magblades already are both squishy as hell and hit like a wet noodle. They only play for show lately.
Mageblade is low key good. They're like the mDK of 1.6 atm, the best buildBruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
idk which NBs you know, but cloak isn't for escaping, its for setting up burst combos
Umm... What? Have you ever been in Imperial City districts? Or better yet, have you been in Cyrodiil itself? Anytime I set foot into Cyrodiil, I see Nightblades getting those cheeks busted, and go cloak to run off from getting butchered further. I see it regularly. It's not just for setting up combos. In fact, it's original use is FOR escape. That claim of cloak only being used for offensive purposes, is like saying bolt escape is only for offensive purposes. And we both know that is far from the truth. But sure, we can play that game. Let's have bolt escape returned to its former glory, because remember. It's only for setting up combos. Lol.
Cloak is useless I don't even use it on my magblade when I duel. And the only reason I use it open world is to get around zergs. No one is going to let you cloak away from them. I play my magblade like a mag sorc, because it's basically a weaker mag sorc right now. Also I love when stamblades cloak for a couple reasons one it tells me that they are nervous, it also tells me to put my shield up and lastly they are being careless with their resources and will not have enough magic to keep using fear so they can't pressure me0 -
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5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
That's the thing, I don't have any issues with the ult it's self but how easy it is getting it back so fast.
And I fail to see how this would drastically change stamblades.
Have you spent much time playing one?
It makes much more sense when you are on the NB side trying it for yourself. Not talking dueling here because I have no interest in dueling type 1v1, so:
We trade away a lot of things that other classes get to take advantage of, for our ability to attempt to GTFO. Being on the receiving end of it sucks, but it's not as easy as it looks.
Many NB play in bursts. Get in quick, do as much damage as you can ASAP and get out before you get squished. By and large, in the PVP environment we are trading longevity for damage. If we screw up, or if we get outplayed and can't escape, it's over. Now we're running back from spawn.
Incap is quick to charge because it can be dodged and it's only good on one target. That's the trade off.
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Bislobo✭✭✭Stamina Nightblade is the weakest of the 4 stamina classes atm. Coming from someone that plays all stamina classes and only play stamina in cyrodiil, i can assure you that they are not on top of the food chain anymore. Everything breaks cloak, shadow image is always failing, they don't have major mending, healing skills or any reliable escape. From a defensive perspective they are by far the weakest. From an offensive perspective, it's true that incap is overpowered, but they need to have something to cover for their lack of survivability or else the class will be completely useless. Nighblades are supposed to function like this, hit and run tactics, incap is their way of doing that. Even incap get's constantly dodged unless you pair it with CC and decent animation cancel. So i don't know man, i am not in favor of nerfing classes anymore. I am more in favor of keeping the game balanced in general, insane healing, endless resources, massive resource pools, lack of variety in builds, imbalance between stamina and magicka should all be bigger concerns for the combat development team.Edited by Bislobo on September 20, 2016 5:33PMRedguard Dragonknight - Bislobo
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✭✭✭✭✭NB skills arent the problem, Velidreth + Viper + Ambush + Incap Combo is...
TBH I would agree with increasing cost of Incap Strike if it would be undodgeable. Less spam, more reliability. But its just me...
How can a combo be a "problem"?? Get real......It´s a mmo, to achieve the best combo of skills/gear/class/race etc is the core in a mmo.
Its because its unavoidable, instant, dealing freaking 25k+ dmg. Well its like you just, ambush someone, surprise attack (while still being invisible) and incap him (incap has separate cool down so it can be used in ms right after surprise). Most of the folks are dead. I don mind being ganked, but ffs at least by someone who has some skills not by a EQ owner.
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And for all those "Enough of nerf threads".
Where were you when sorcs were nerefed?
Where were you when mag dks were nerfed?
Let me gues...
They were the same people saying how Sorcerers and Dragonknights were overpowered, while also claiming that they had no checks or counters. It's funny and quite ironic how the forums work for the most part, isn't it?Knootewoot wrote: »A nerf to Stamblades means a nerf to Magblades. And Magblades already are both squishy as hell and hit like a wet noodle. They only play for show lately.
Mageblade is low key good. They're like the mDK of 1.6 atm, the best buildBruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
idk which NBs you know, but cloak isn't for escaping, its for setting up burst combos
Umm... What? Have you ever been in Imperial City districts? Or better yet, have you been in Cyrodiil itself? Anytime I set foot into Cyrodiil, I see Nightblades getting those cheeks busted, and go cloak to run off from getting butchered further. I see it regularly. It's not just for setting up combos. In fact, it's original use is FOR escape. That claim of cloak only being used for offensive purposes, is like saying bolt escape is only for offensive purposes. And we both know that is far from the truth. But sure, we can play that game. Let's have bolt escape returned to its former glory, because remember. It's only for setting up combos. Lol.
idk which NB you know. A mageblade worth its salt is using Shadow image for escape and a stamblade won't have enough magika to truly escape with cloak. I play a mageblade, quite well actually, and I can tell you that if you're using cloak as an escape and not as a way to either set up your burst or dodge attacks/relieve pressure then you're doing it wrong. Cloak has far too many reliable counters to be used as an escape, its why many mageblades run shadow image and/or mist form on top of cloak.
Furthermore, if you look at NB passives, particularly Master Assassin, you'll see that cloak is indeed meant as an offensive skill. Perhaps if you bothered to learn more about mechanics you'll stop getting rekt by NB. I imagine you see a NB cloak, start assuming they're trying to escape and blow a bunch of aoe's off then get melted by the burst from stealth.
Hm? Perhaps if I learned the mechanics enough for what? I've been playing since beta. Have you? All my characters are Stormpoof. Are yours'? Both my Nightblades are Flawless Conquerors (magicka and stamina). Are yours'...? I've beaten every trial on normal and veteran difficulty (except for VMOL, which I gave up on). I've gotten both SotH skins. Have you? Please don't talk about my mechanics understanding. Let's no go there, and make those statements. It gets messy. Very, very, messy.Edited by Ch4mpTW on September 20, 2016 7:16PM1 -
mikwin✭✭Its not that stam needs nerfing, its the fact that magic builds need bufffing, especially in pve.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Its not that stam needs nerfing, its the fact that magic builds need bufffing, especially in pve.
Honestly, I agree that magicka builds do indeed need major buffing. But dude, stamina is ridiculously out of control at the moment. And not just from the Nightblade class, or any class. In fact, it's not just sets and champion point perks either. It's a combination of all of those things. It's ridiculous. Someone made a thread called "A Discussion About Balance" or something along those lines, and it shows so much about how much I more stamina outperforms magicka. I'll try to find it for you.
And dude, to be 100% honest? It shows with stamina Nightblades the most, followed by probably stamina Dragonknights. And I love the DK class as the next man does. I favorited all topics discussing DK's, whether it be about PVE or PVP. But, the truth still remains. Nightblades and in particular, stamina NB's are way too overtuned.
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Pinja✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW No need to turn on our former rivals & nerf dark cloak. While yes half these people are delusional in saying Stam nightblade is the worst of stamina, all of magic right now is in a sorry bind.
As we are now"A dead Noob tree" -Pinja July 28
I [Snip] told all of yall. You didn't listen!Isellskooma wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.
Maybe if you fight lvl 10 and no CP players. In this meta we have today in which everyone runs Heavy armor and SnB only player you can land those hits are NBs. My average SA hits are around 3.5k and Incap around 6-7k and that is if not blocked, only time you see big hits are against noobish LA magica users and MA NBs, everyone else is tanky as ***. So your statement is total bull...
Though Nerfing any thing is toxic. Nerfing incap strike by rasing the cost isn't relly going to do much next patch other then encourage already dual wielding opponents to use the ever more powerful AoE Stamina Dual Wield ultimate. Which these wana B 1vX scrubs will use anyways. All in all we as magic sorcs are screwed, Really @Wrobel should just revert all the shield & bolt escape changes as a far worse armageddon is about to befall the game.2 -
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✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I'm going to assume that you in fact use a Nightblade, which is why you're doing all you can to defend it from being nerfed. In fact, if I can recall correctly — you said you've killed me numerous times before. And how I'm supposedly "very easy" to kill. The only classes that have managed to kill me repeatedly without too much effort is the Nightblade class. Which would honestly make perfect sense.
Edit: Can we have the cost of Cloak increased with each use within a certain period of time, being as Bolt Escape was treated this way? After all, both of them are "escape skills". They both give a means of providing survivability to each class, should things get too messy. Please have 'proper' balance, and apply the same penalty to Nightblades as you have to Sorcerers. @Wrobel
I agree why this class has been able to get more and more godmode each patch is beyond me.FloppyTouch wrote: »Nerf nb nerf Stam nerf vigor nerf shuffle
I am usually a huge anti nerf supporter. But at current point becuase how a *** have no ideal on how to PvP. Can just spend 5 mins watching people youtube videos and streams. And then instantly become good just by having... A Stamina character that has vigor, rally, and shuffle. And then to make it beyond retardedly brain dead easy to win with. The person in question is also a Nightblade. Why not just allow these guys to have a "I WIN BUTTON!"? Oh wait if they are using macros then they do! AHAHAHAHAHA, now that's a kicker!
PvP-wise they have. Best heals in the game. Best Burst Damage in the game. Best escape in the game hands down. Best sustain in the game. Best one shot gimmicks in the game. And now people are posting supremely high scores on vMA leader boards. Do I really need to say more?
Yes Nightblades, vigor, rally, shuffle, Incap, and stamina's ability to just not be touch. Just needs to be nuked into OBLIVION! Why should these knuckle heads be given everything Magicka Sorcerer used to have, but three times better? I mean are these knuckle heads serious. After helping nuke a entire playstyle in to oblivion for being Over Powered. They are going to defend they playstyles which has not only replaced it. But has taking it to a whole new realm of ***. These things just needs to be indiscriminately nuked just as bad if not worst then Magicka Sorcerer was.
On a side note since my absence from ESO. I have finally got my Skyrim 65 mod cocktail fully working now. To be honest I don't know if I can come back to ESO from Skyrim now. The way I would describe it. Is like having a eureka moment while at the same time hitting the Multi Billion Dollar lottery, while at the same time being giving all Jedi and Sith abilities and powers IRL. So far clocked about 6 hours since getting mods online and stable. So far dead to 6 one shots mostly toying around with Giants, so what was I supposed to expect. Being a mage feel just like I remember in RPGs before ESO. Super squishy glass cannons that instantly die when breathed on by nearly anything of power when you are being ***. But as player skill and character skills improve with the right mods. You can become like Merlin while still be highly kill - able the whole way, as the mobs increases in levels and tactics. Point of this paragraph. Is to thank Zenimax for showing me the way. Now I can once again have major fun without paying them a single dime every month.
Guess that money I used to support ZOS with financially every month. I'll use it to support some of those modders. The ones who seems to be able to develop and balance a game. With only a fraction of the manpower and funding.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on September 20, 2016 5:58PM2 -
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✭It seems that most of the community agrees that stamblades are extremely strong. Be sides the proc build I believe incapacitating strike is the problem. It hits like a truck, stuns, gives extra damage against the target and major defile. That's a ton of benefits to the ult.
The issue I believe is in the 50 cost. With the passive that gives 20 ult it feels like I get incap strikes twice in a ridiculously short time frame. Dawnbreaker is getting a 25% increase from 100 to 125 which I admit is a good idea. I believe incap strike being increased to at least 75 would be a good step in bringing stamblades in line with it messing with magblade
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✭Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class
2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.
3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.
4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.
The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.
There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class0 -
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✭Isellskooma wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »
Nightblades aren't squishy.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.
Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.
I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.
You "1vx'ed" some scrubs and all the sudden you think the class needs a nerf? Stamblades are made for pure dmg mostly.
For all we know the players you killed may have been low level, low cp, low skill, not wearing impen, no shields up, who knows what class/build....
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✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.
1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class
2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.
3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.
4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).
5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.
There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.
Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.
The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.
There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class
...? What? MagNB's only defense is Dampen Magicka, and Fear? And if a MagSorc loses to a MagNB, it's all about them being more skilled? What? WTF? I'm just going to listen to @Pinja and ease off MagNB's case. Thanks for the chuckle though. I appreciate it. Lol.0 -
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✭✭✭It seems that most of the community agrees that stamblades are extremely strong. Be sides the proc build I believe incapacitating strike is the problem. It hits like a truck, stuns, gives extra damage against the target and major defile. That's a ton of benefits to the ult.
The issue I believe is in the 50 cost. With the passive that gives 20 ult it feels like I get incap strikes twice in a ridiculously short time frame. Dawnbreaker is getting a 25% increase from 100 to 125 which I admit is a good idea. I believe incap strike being increased to at least 75 would be a good step in bringing stamblades in line with it messing with magblade
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Mandragora✭✭✭✭I don't know - but isn't this issue of the combat system? If damage is based on stamina/magicka, as a medium armor user you have a lot of stamina, then it is easy to decide to put a lot of AP to stamina even for a new player and to be a bit OP? When you compare this build to templar or DK, with heavy armor they have a lot of health only, which doesn't give you any bonuses, some new players put a lot of APs to health too, then they cannot decide if they will go with magicka or stamina (if they want to be good with weapons and class at the same time), so they will end up not to be so efficient.
So do not nerf anything - please, change the whole system - it sucks.Edited by Mandragora on September 20, 2016 6:18PMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
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✭✭Stop ask for class nerf guys ! the have to Up the sorcerer in first (good morph , sorcerer where created for PVP ... we have more PVP skill that we need , and some are useless because we don't use 4 stun in our bar . They should add pve morph to some PVP skill . and they have to up Magtemplar , and magicka dk in PVP . and this will be balanced . without any nerf .Edited by Apherius on September 20, 2016 6:34PM0