Here a guild bank should and could play a major role in solving this problem.
But I must say I like this system as it is now. This scaling doesnt mean nothing special to me.

altemriel wrote: »

I hope I understand it wrong this time, but with Update 12 all the material nodes will scale to the level of the character who is gathering them, right? So if my crafter would be lets say cp300, he will only find (everywhere in every zone) the materials which are cp 160, right?

But what about a situation, if some low level guildie writes a mail to the high level crafter, that he needs him to craft a let`s say iron armor (lower level)? Will the crafter be somehow able to farm iron?

Or will he everywhere find only higher level materials?
I hope not...


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert

Bryanonymous wrote: »

I could accept the wayshrine teleport lore, even though it is incredibly convenient

The lore is the lore, even if the lore is incredibly convenient it remains the lore

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Just remember the beta monkey and all that followed.

I love the beta monkey!!!

cheers man

No ETA on this guys.

Holycannoli wrote: »

The best solution is to simply keep all resources as they are. No need to scale them. Has anyone ever complained about the current resource distribution? You need a certain resource, you go to one of the zones that contain it. Simple and functional. Why change it?

Iron ore will be completely saturated since everyone will find 50% of the nodes as their battle level and 50% as their crafting level. That means every non-blacksmith will find iron ore 50% of the time. Same with jute.

It's just so dumb that most resources will be forever locked out as we level our crafters. They will never be able to find them again, ever. So dumb.

First off YES people have complained. i for one hate running silver and gold content and getting all the nodes providing what are essentially the most useless mats in the game now (mid-tier "vet levels".) This means that i only spend my time in zones where the nodes scale which means my cha5racters are effectively limited to less than a third of the real estate for "function ongoing gameplay."

WHY CHANGE IT? You ask. That is an easy thing to see with even a little logical thinking.

MAIN REASON: The game has changed and is going to change more and zone locked mat tpyes no longer matches the game play at all for the vast majority of the "use cases" to use the technical term of really the character need.

BACK IN THE DAY: At the outset characters all, every one, mostly had to go thru a rather narrow pathway following questing and such thru a set of zones levelling as they went. Each zone covered quests and enemies of "level a-d" and had mats that supported "levels a-d." and so THEY FLOW OF MATS INTO THE GAME MATCHED THE LEVELS OF THE CHARACTER PLAYING.
(Obviously alternative options like grind forever existed but still you needed to get to appropriate zones for the experience to not crap out.)

problem then was, you could outlevel the mats and find out the last half or more of some zones were giving you useless mats. HOWEVER everyone else was running thru them so there was a need anyway.

LATER ON THAT CHANGED: They added Silver and Gold and thats still basically the same model. Again everybodt still had to march thru them but... with an entire zone mostly devoted to one mat type being "overleveled" by just one level could really bite. but again everyone needed them thru the progression.

THEN THEY REMOVED VET RANKS: Now the real breakdown between zone-mats and zone-levels began and the complaints amplified. See, now, ionstead of every characater going from 49 to vet 1 and vet-1 to vet-2 character leapfrogged from 49 to cp160 or cp100 or cp70 etc in a whole lot of cases. But the silver and zone content still dropped old school mats for an entire zone etc. So while many characters never saw cp30 in their life cycle, they got to fa spend a lot of time running thru silver zone with nothing but that mats dropping.

THE FLOW OF MATS INTO THE GAME NO LONGER MATCHED THE CHARACTERS PLAYING IN THE GAME AND THEIR LEVEL PROGRESSION. those mid-tier mats became very very less valuable right away.

ALONG THE SAME TIME they began introducing WORLD WIDE REPEATABLES: this made it even more obvious of a problem. When you got your lvl-50-cp160 character sent to greenshade from Crime spree missions or DB hits, you suddenly were "questing" in zones with utterly useless harvests for you.

Again, the flow of mats into the game did not sync with the character being played into the game linke they did when leveling and questing and zones progression and characater progression were a very narrow all one line only preset thing.

Now with OneT, there is absolutely no geographic link between level of characer ( their gear cap needs and mat type needs) and the geography. A player playing in and gaining full experience in Auridon might be level 4, level 37, lvl50-55 or level 50-160. there is zero linkage between ZONE and MAT FOR GEAR NEEDS.

The progression tied to ZONE is changed - its gone.
As such the gear-mat-level tied to zone also needs to change - to go away.

This is even more true in OneT not just because you can go anywhere but because you may be asked to go anywhere.

Repeatable dailies are now going to be everywhere... All zones get repeatables. mages guild fightiers guild and undautned all send you all over the place now and those content are replayable at any level including high end.

if your game intends all zones to be playable, desirable, functional for all levels then you cannot keep the basic resources tied to zone-level. that is absolutely contradictory to the idea of "anywhere anytime wherever you want" open world choose it gameplay.

In a much bigger picture sense tho, think of it this way: in oneT whenever a character harvests a node they are certain to get a mat that is KEYED to their character. it will be either usable by their character (character itself can craft the mat crafted based on skill) or can be used by someone to craft for that character (it matches the character's current gear cap.) Now that doesn't mean the character can necessarily find a crafter or that she has the traits if she wants a julianos set, but they CAN be done they are useful.

This means on the large scale the types of mats flowing into the game is directly tied to the characters playing in the game. if MOST characters skip over cp30-60 when they hit lvl 50, then fewer character will ever see mats at those useless tiers.

Supply is actually tied to demand at the very organic base level now.

that makes a lot more sense from thw whole game progression than having rigid zone locked tiers of mats that are now divorced from the progressions.

So thereis you WHY CHANGE.

That said - like in every major or even minor change to the game, folks used to doing something ONE WAY often find they have to adapt. happens every time an update changes a skill or changes a class or adds new stuff.

So yeah thinsg will be different.

First major change is the greater number of useful mats in hand by characters themselves. I think you will find the demand for "craft for me and also provide me the mats" to be lower in OneT because all nodes provide useful mats to every character. no more outlevelling the nodes. You may get as many requests for crafting but more often they will have mats on hand that are useful. (which might hit the money gained by selling mats to others as mats in is linked to need.)

Second change is the "optimal" times to re-set your gear may well need to adapt.

EXAMPLE: OLD WAY in the old days of node locked to zone mats, i (not alone) would often redo my gear when the mat type changed. i did not regear every level but when my gear-cap changed to let new mats kick in. it just seemed a good time. Since each of my previosu alts went thru the same progression i had lotsa higher end characters with surpluses so mats were always there. So when kresh kicked in, replace with new kresh armor.


EXAMPLE: NEW WAY: When i bought four new character slots recently, having long ago ditched most of my low level mats and having all my 160 cp character playing in DLC scaled zones, i realized that after jute-maple-iron (which i have plenty of since non-crafters get it too even scaled) the supply of upper level mats would be tougher. So i CHANGED MY PLAY. When i got near a new mat tier, i crafted a END OF TIER set. i used jute-iron-rawhide etc to make top-of-tier-one level 14 sets. i wore these sets thru to level 24. (Old days i would have made new flax sets at level 16 and wore those thru until level 26.) Then as the character played thru level 16-24 they gathered tier-2 mats in zones and at level 24 i crafter new level 24 gear at END OF TIER o carry thru until next gear change. my level 35 char recently upticked to gear to carry thru the next period of harvesting until the next break.

So so little a change in "how to get there" as building sets at 14 instead of 16, at 24 instead of 26, at 34 instead of 36 solved the shortage caused by my upper level character not being able to farm lesser stuff (because i myself wouldnt go spend time in useless zones.)

Did it impact my play success? nope. obviously at those levels the benefits of having crafted sets even green even a top-of-tier instead of bottom-of-tier or just gained drops is gonnamoutweigh the level thing.

So a change as little as that made it not necessary at all to have higher level charscv go to lower level zones to farm for my four guys.

With every major update how you get things done changes for someone and they adapt. this time, the small niche of master level maxed crafters who have no alts that also play may need to change their "how to get things done" a bit.

But the flow of mats into the game will be tied to the characters needs playing in the game and on the whole that is a supply linked to demand godsend for stable play.

Thats WHY MAKE THE CHANGE.

because we are not the same game as it was when zone-mat-shackles were put in place. the needs arent the same.

ALL THAT SAID: i fully support, i have suggested many times, i have sent PTS feedback to say - they SHOULD remove the lower limit on material crafting. much liike they did with enchants, i think you should be able now to take rubedite and make any gear-cap from cp160 down to level1. take kresh and make anything from CP30 down to level 1. i think that like the enchantment change to scaled nodes and no upper limit serves the flexible levelling scheme better.

I think instead of arguing for SCRAP THE NODES SCALING those master crafters should be arguing to make their "gosh we only get to harvest ruby level mats now and cannot harvest cotton anymore" proposal to not be "so scrap your whole OneT node scaling thing and all that supply meeting demand stuff completely" (throwing out baby with the bathwater, doomed to fail and do nothing but spawn tons of useless rants online) for instead "well if we only get ruby tier mats you should make the always useful for any level gear below their gear-cap to serve this "need"" because that is a simple change, it leaves all the benefits in place of OneT node scaling and solves their "problem" in a quite noticeable and simple way.

Mechanically its an easy code.
You already have + and - on the creat bar on the crafting screen. just let - be used to lower the gear-level even below the current min. Dont have it reduce the mats used below mins, so its still a little more efficient to level approproate mats)

but there you go... your poor persecuted master crafters can survive only harvesting ruby mats and not getting cotton yet still craft for the lower tier crowds who dont have mats.

but then, that proposal is more "how to make oneT serve even this smaller niche better" rather than a STOP OneT by stopping a core needed element kind of discussion vs rant, right?

Why make the change? its obvious. it will serve the mass needs of the mass of player better.

The only problem with answering is there are so many benefits it takes a while to even list the majority.

Thanks for making my eyes explode with that massive wall of text, STEVIL.

Taternater wrote: »

Thanks for making my eyes explode with that massive wall of text, STEVIL.

At least he used spaces. :P

I agree. The current system is in tatters, as some above had already pointed out:
- the rescaling of Cadwell's Silver has been done badly: in the first zone you harvest CP 10-30 nodes, but the gear dropped is CP 40. The XP you get actually doing the area would probably push you easily to CP 100. Some enemies drop leather scraps of both tiers. They scaled the enemies but not the nodes. Had they done both they should have deleted CP10-30 materials altogether (they are still found in Coldharbour though)
- even before the scaling, the XP in Silver and Gold areas could easily push you well above the level of the area. For example on my first char I got to VR16 at the end of the 1st area in Gold (Auridon). I had 240 CP. On a general note all zones have a severe over-leveling issue.

It will all be better in One Tamriel.

altemriel wrote: »

it depends, usually they do, but not all the time I suppose, especially total newbies don`t

Guess that means they should just start learning how to farm then. To be fair, as i just started to play this game for less than a month now. I'm champion level 90+ with my Blacksmithing and Clothing above level 35, andWoodworking above level 30.

Crafting is actually really easy in this game compared to others I have played. It's just one mat per level and they are everywhere in mass quantities in the world. Pretty much no reason at least in my eyes that a higher level player would need to farm low level mats because there is no reason a low level/noobie player should not be farming these and leveling themselves.

It's fairly easy, deconstruct everything you get that you are not actually using, and those levels fly by.

The only crafting job that i see new players having problem with is Enchanting. It takes forever to level if you do not have someone to help by making you higher level glyphs and you deconstructing them. That has been painful to grind out.

So based on the patch notes we now need a character for every skill level of crafting just to be able to gather materials at that level? I get that you want to help out the economy by having people buy more things from guild traders but this is a little drastic. That was one of the nicest things about the game. My maxed crafter could just go to the area for the material level I needed and gather it myself. Now I'm forced to either create 10 different toons and or buy another account if that number isn't achievable, work up each character to different crafting levels just to farm for materials.

You should have left the DLC's to be the only scaled material zones in the game. There was no need for all existing zones to level for that as well.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

Note that there is a problem in leaving all zones with the mat level they current have - they all have three different levels depending on the alliance! When the alliances are combined, what level will each zone get? Imagine mixed-alliance groups of players leveling up together and you start to see the difficulties.

altemriel wrote: »

I hope I understand it wrong this time, but with Update 12 all the material nodes will scale to the level of the character who is gathering them, right? So if my crafter would be lets say cp300, he will only find (everywhere in every zone) the materials which are cp 160, right?

But what about a situation, if some low level guildie writes a mail to the high level crafter, that he needs him to craft a let`s say iron armor (lower level)? Will the crafter be somehow able to farm iron?

Or will he everywhere find only higher level materials?
I hope not...


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert

Either go on a low level or buy the mats from traders which will then inflate material prices for those tiers giving leveling players access to more gold thus expanding the size of the middle of the market reducing some of the top end.

Basically it cuts into your profit a little in exchange for giving you more customers.

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

The nodes from zones lvl 1-50 ( the base game) must remain the same . Silver, Gold and DLCs could be scaled.

I don't like the idea all the nodes from zones to be scaled ...

It's like an apple tree could make oranges or bananas too

I hope the nodes from the base game will stay as they are now.

Thank you in advance ZOS !

There is no such thing as Silver and Gold zones once One Tamriel goes live. That is the problem, and why they are changing things to begin with.

You can't "keep things the same" because Calcinium, Galatite, etc. no longer have "their zones."

The only option with the update would be to have the zones contain, say, both iron and calcinium. I would support that over the current scaled option, but you are still getting a diluted harvesting base.

I don't like the current system either. I would like a deterministic way to gather the materials I want. However, I wish players (in general) would realize that "the current system" is not an option. Something needs to change.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

And where do you go for CP50 mats?

Your faction's silver and gold zones would have the cp resources, just like now.

The current system is the best system. I still don't know why they changed it.

altemriel wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Buying them or farming on a low level.

that is really a bad change ZOS!!

I dont agree, the scaling of harvest nodes is a great choice. There thousands of lowbies running around, so guild traders will see loaded with mats. Now the lowbies have a way to generate funds for themselves.

Also scaling of nodes means new players or existing player wont need to buy a dlc to farm maxed mats. ZoS main focus is to keep players playing eso, this change will help a lot. Giving players the ability to gear themselves when reaching 160, without spending a small fortune. Why your main concern is I cant farm low level mats isn't valid, ZoS is more looking at how they improve the game for new players. If u feel shafted, oh well; guess what u dont have to like. You just have to deal with it.