GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.
I think the guy using this in your death recap has shrouded daggers on both bars of his build. He probably proc'd one poison then bar swapped to proc another poison right away. Thats what i can see.
The double proc poison on console doesnt seem to be procing widowmaker at all right now, so i cant test if its really proccing twice on pc for you. Is that why you crossed out the creep + ravage health?
ebethke_ESO wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
- Better group healing and group support? Yes.
- Good at outnumbering opponents and full-health executing from range? You-betcha.
- Better solo healing? Yes, but stamina has strong solo healing.
- Consistent pressure and damage? Maybe.
- Ability to set up high burst damage? Not really.
- Access to a low cost, high burst ult? No.
- Mobility and escape options? Lol.
My conclusion: there is a reason magplars are often found in the wild roaming in packs of 10. Magicka templars are extremely strong in group scenarios and can make up for lack of precision with a lol heal button. But saying that they are better than stamina classes which are better in almost every other scenario (high burst, good healing, great mobility, strong pressure, etc.)? Nah.
Joy_Division wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.
I think the guy using this in your death recap has shrouded daggers on both bars of his build. He probably proc'd one poison then bar swapped to proc another poison right away. Thats what i can see.
The double proc poison on console doesn't seem to be procing widowmaker at all right now, so i cant test if its really proccing twice on pc for you. Is that why you crossed out the creep + ravage health?
I didn't "cross out" anything. I underlined for all to see the ridiculousness of an armor set you are trying to imply is just fine. That's 10K additional damage in a single global cooldown with battlespirit on a build running 7 impen. It's a joke.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Proc set's are getting out of hand. We need pve players to do dps tests with these sets in comparison to say hunding rage or spawn of mehpala to make any changes.
Velidrith in my opinion is INSANE and make's the ZOS team look like a bunch of 4 year old's. 6k none crit proc's in pvp is not a good thing. We don't have a single monster set capable of giving a player that much burst. I would of been fine with HALF the damage we have now and it would still be a good set. There is no monster set you can even compare to the power this set brings to the table. Spawn of Mephala in pve is comparable but in pvp your not standing in this web for more then 2 seconds. This set needs a huge nerf.
Viper is fine in my opinion but im not opposed to a damage decrease.
Widowmaker is fine BUT needs to have its own 10 second cool-down to stop people from proc'ing it on 2 different bars with 2 different poison cooldown's. This is why this set is over-performing. (Also make sure that double DOT poisons are only procing this set once and not twice). IF people do really like the functionality of having a poison on each bar to manage maybe a damage decrease instead.
Coat of the red Mountain in my opinion is kind of underpowered BUT when used with Templar Jab's becomes possibly a little op. I will need a Stamplar to fill me in on this set since i have not used it and only heard my friends talk about it. I hear it proc's a lot with channals like Jabs or Flurry. May need looking into.
Overall i think Velidrith is the main issue and the reason why stacking proc sets is overpowered. Stacking Viper with Widowmaker is nice burst but the proc change on Widow or even Red Mountain is pretty low so its not likely to happen often. Its all because of Velidrith in my opinion. Velidrith has the most outrageous tooltip damage. Seriously Zos i would be perfectly fine with half of that and it would still be a good set.
I dont want to have to fight anyone wearing. Vipers, valedrith, stormknight, maulbeth, mephalas, the one that always makes me floppy fish, etc etc.
we just all need to be completely gearless.
LeifErickson wrote: »Viper's sting and Velidreth are worse than Malubeth before it was fixed.
current meta is viper/ widowmaker/ validreath. The poison proc is unbelievable. It needs to be fixed.
arkansas_ESO wrote: »current meta is viper/ widowmaker/ validreath. The poison proc is unbelievable. It needs to be fixed.
I disagree because Widowmaker doesn't come in impen and doesn't work on player-crafted poisons, only dropped ones. That being said, if it did drop in impen and worked on good poisons, it'd be unbelievably broken.
Crafting & Economy
Alchemy
Fixed an issue that caused crafted Ravage Health poisons to not actually count as poisons for certain abilities, such as the unique Widowmaker set bonus.
Of everythign i said, that was your answer? IF you are going to jump into a balance discussion, you better have arguments to back your words. I tested and theorycrafted with viper for days, so you better do your homework before replying back
CapuchinSeven wrote: »
Of everythign i said, that was your answer? IF you are going to jump into a balance discussion, you better have arguments to back your words. I tested and theorycrafted with viper for days, so you better do your homework before replying back
OH please, theorycrafting lol.
Lets stop pretending you're doing something special here, okay?
Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.
KisoValley wrote: »ebethke_ESO wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
- Better group healing and group support? Yes.
- Good at outnumbering opponents and full-health executing from range? You-betcha.
- Better solo healing? Yes, but stamina has strong solo healing.
- Consistent pressure and damage? Maybe.
- Ability to set up high burst damage? Not really.
- Access to a low cost, high burst ult? No.
- Mobility and escape options? Lol.
My conclusion: there is a reason magplars are often found in the wild roaming in packs of 10. Magicka templars are extremely strong in group scenarios and can make up for lack of precision with a lol heal button. But saying that they are better than stamina classes which are better in almost every other scenario (high burst, good healing, great mobility, strong pressure, etc.)? Nah.
You, Siphon and Rag replied.
I win 3-0
Told u @Hexys, i'm good at this
I have alot of clips ready to get edited using Viper/Veli/Eternal Hunt on stamblade. You will see how completely broken this is and should be nerfed ASAP.
EDIT; Here is a clip, no skill required, just attack and win. (this is only 29.5k stamina and 2.7k buffed weapon damage, just LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI3LB6zPuGE
I have alot of clips ready to get edited using Viper/Veli/Eternal Hunt on stamblade. You will see how completely broken this is and should be nerfed ASAP.
EDIT; Here is a clip, no skill required, just attack and win. (this is only 29.5k stamina and 2.7k buffed weapon damage, just LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI3LB6zPuGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR8cO6wQIw8
Here you go, broken confirmed lol
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I have alot of clips ready to get edited using Viper/Veli/Eternal Hunt on stamblade. You will see how completely broken this is and should be nerfed ASAP.
EDIT; Here is a clip, no skill required, just attack and win. (this is only 29.5k stamina and 2.7k buffed weapon damage, just LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI3LB6zPuGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR8cO6wQIw8
Here you go, broken confirmed lol
Nice video, but pubstomp videos are a bad evidence for balance issues :P The classes and builds should be balanced around good players, not around bad players (I'm sure you could have down all the stuff in your video with another class and another build).
IMO:
- Viper is not OP, 5 pieces with bad traits and bad bonuses for PvP (plus is bugged cause is scaling of spell critical/penetration). You have to sacrafice a lot in order to slot viper, it should be worth.
- Velidreth is OP, 2 pieces, perfect traits and bonuses, hits harder than viper plus is an AoE.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »
Of everythign i said, that was your answer? IF you are going to jump into a balance discussion, you better have arguments to back your words. I tested and theorycrafted with viper for days, so you better do your homework before replying back
OH please, theorycrafting lol.
Lets stop pretending you're doing something special here, okay?
Is not something special, is just testing something before crying for a nerf. Well, all things considered, around here seems to be more rare than i expected, is quite obvious that most of the people here is just asking for a "nerf everything" just because.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »
Of everythign i said, that was your answer? IF you are going to jump into a balance discussion, you better have arguments to back your words. I tested and theorycrafted with viper for days, so you better do your homework before replying back
OH please, theorycrafting lol.
Lets stop pretending you're doing something special here, okay?
Is not something special, is just testing something before crying for a nerf. Well, all things considered, around here seems to be more rare than i expected, is quite obvious that most of the people here is just asking for a "nerf everything" just because.
Dude you lost all credibility here the moment you suggested that you have to sacrifice a lot to run viper, I mean there are lol posts and then there are LOL posts and that my friend was a big one.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »
Of everythign i said, that was your answer? IF you are going to jump into a balance discussion, you better have arguments to back your words. I tested and theorycrafted with viper for days, so you better do your homework before replying back
OH please, theorycrafting lol.
Lets stop pretending you're doing something special here, okay?
Is not something special, is just testing something before crying for a nerf. Well, all things considered, around here seems to be more rare than i expected, is quite obvious that most of the people here is just asking for a "nerf everything" just because.
Dude you lost all credibility here the moment you suggested that you have to sacrifice a lot to run viper, I mean there are lol posts and then there are LOL posts and that my friend was a big one.
Obviously there is problem with the combination of sets, but to claim it doesn't require sacrifice is silly. It is arguable that the damage is made up for in procs, but you loose healing when you loose damage. With NB's already low healing if you where to get hit by dawnbreaker from a min maxed player you would fall over. Especially if they are carrying a good counter to cloak.
Trust me I think it needs to be rebalanced, but we should avoid spreading ignorance.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »Obviously there is problem with the combination of sets, but to claim it doesn't require sacrifice is silly. It is arguable that the damage is made up for in procs, but you loose healing when you loose damage. With NB's already low healing if you where to get hit by dawnbreaker from a min maxed player you would fall over. Especially if they are carrying a good counter to cloak.
Trust me I think it needs to be rebalanced, but we should avoid spreading ignorance.
Mate, I can dodge roll around 12 times in my stamina build with Vigor ticking away (only 20 points in Tumbling and around 2.4k regen). I loose nothing when I'm slotting viper, except self respect but certainly not damage or survivability.
I literally couldn't take it anymore, stamina is so comically damn easy I raced changed to Breton from Wood Elf and I'm running magic only now until they can balance this crap out.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »Obviously there is problem with the combination of sets, but to claim it doesn't require sacrifice is silly. It is arguable that the damage is made up for in procs, but you loose healing when you loose damage. With NB's already low healing if you where to get hit by dawnbreaker from a min maxed player you would fall over. Especially if they are carrying a good counter to cloak.
Trust me I think it needs to be rebalanced, but we should avoid spreading ignorance.
Mate, I can dodge roll around 12 times in my stamina build with Vigor ticking away (only 20 points in Tumbling and around 2.4k regen). I loose nothing when I'm slotting viper, except self respect but certainly not damage or survivability.
I literally couldn't take it anymore, stamina is so comically damn easy I raced changed to Breton from Wood Elf and I'm running magic only now until they can balance this crap out.
CapuchinSeven wrote: »Obviously there is problem with the combination of sets, but to claim it doesn't require sacrifice is silly. It is arguable that the damage is made up for in procs, but you loose healing when you loose damage. With NB's already low healing if you where to get hit by dawnbreaker from a min maxed player you would fall over. Especially if they are carrying a good counter to cloak.
Trust me I think it needs to be rebalanced, but we should avoid spreading ignorance.
Mate, I can dodge roll around 12 times in my stamina build with Vigor ticking away (only 20 points in Tumbling and around 2.4k regen). I loose nothing when I'm slotting viper, except self respect but certainly not damage or survivability.
I literally couldn't take it anymore, stamina is so comically damn easy I raced changed to Breton from Wood Elf and I'm running magic only now until they can balance this crap out.
ebethke_ESO wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.
Joy Division, was this on a single poison proc? If so, that sounds insane...
CapuchinSeven wrote: »Obviously there is problem with the combination of sets, but to claim it doesn't require sacrifice is silly. It is arguable that the damage is made up for in procs, but you loose healing when you loose damage. With NB's already low healing if you where to get hit by dawnbreaker from a min maxed player you would fall over. Especially if they are carrying a good counter to cloak.
Trust me I think it needs to be rebalanced, but we should avoid spreading ignorance.
Mate, I can dodge roll around 12 times in my stamina build with Vigor ticking away (only 20 points in Tumbling and around 2.4k regen). I loose nothing when I'm slotting viper, except self respect but certainly not damage or survivability.
I literally couldn't take it anymore, stamina is so comically damn easy I raced changed to Breton from Wood Elf and I'm running magic only now until they can balance this crap out.
So, according to you, viper is OP because stamina builds can dodge roll and use vigor. OK!