Viper and Velidreth

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Hello everyone,
is it just me, or is Viper and Velidreth over the top? I play stamina NB by myself and tested out a lot builds and no build came even close to Viper + Velidreth. To make things worse, Viper and Velidreth don't scale with Weapondamage, so I can have a lot of regen together with insane burst.
I often see people complaining about stamina builds being overpowered, but in my opinion it's more the stam sets that are the problem. My idea would be to give Viper a higher cooldown and make Velidreth a damage over time effect for 10 seconds instead of an instant burst. Heavy armor in general also looks a bit overbuffed to me, especially Black Rose, but since I don't play a heavy armor character as a main I can't say that much about it.

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  • Morostyle
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    viper/velidreth/widowmaker - get rekt! ;)
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    Never had a problem with Veli seeing as it hardly ever works properly in pvp. Viper is maybe over the top. As I said about black rose, people used it before, no one cried. They nerfed it, but buffed heavy armour, people are crying. Black rose isn't the problem, heavy armour is.
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    Ive been using Ravagers instead of blackrose. I like it
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    Morostyle wrote: »
    viper/velidreth/widowmaker - get rekt! ;)

    Viper/Veli/Hunt or Clever Alchemist should also work really well xD
    KisoValley wrote: »
    Never had a problem with Veli seeing as it hardly ever works properly in pvp. Viper is maybe over the top. As I said about black rose, people used it before, no one cried. They nerfed it, but buffed heavy armour, people are crying. Black rose isn't the problem, heavy armour is.

    I have to admit that it often doesn't hit anybody, but it will some times and coupled with Incap and Viper it almost instakills everyone who isn't in heavy armor or brings the opponent at least in execute range. I also use Beast Trap (another broken skill in my opinion) and that makes it more difficult for opponents to avoid Velidreth dmg.
    Also if I gank someone with the stunn out of sneak it often procs instantly and let the enemy no chance for counterplay. That's stupid gamedesign in my opinion.
    OdinForge wrote: »
    This *** needs fixed, this game is just about chasing one broken set to the next.

    I agree, it is pretty sad in my opinion that Veli and Viper destroy so many funny builds because it's simply too strong to not use it.
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    No man I'm so skilled that my procs kill you. :trollface:

    It's disgusting, and one of the reason why I really dislike stamina builds currently. Even since I started playing around with a stamina nightblade a bit before 1.6, and then after all the way up to current patches.

    Edit: I'm fine with viper for some reason, and viper alone. But combined with veli it's just to much.
    Edited by Master_Kas on August 28, 2016 5:33PM
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    Think Im going to try 2 velidreth + 5 viper + 5 blackrose on stam DK soon. Should be pretty silly too.
  • Synozeer
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    Viper's sting and Velidreth are worse than Malubeth before it was fixed.

    Malubeth still isn't fixed.
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    Viper velidreth op
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    Yup.

    Can we also make it so casting snipe returns 100% of damage to the caster and shuts off their internet? K thx.
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    Yup.

    Can we also make it so casting snipe returns 100% of damage to the caster and shuts off their internet? K thx.

    Haha, well at least they can give it a minimum range.

    Can't stop laughing when gankers spamsnipe you from within 5 meters of range. XD
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    Hexys wrote: »
    I have alot of clips ready to get edited using Viper/Veli/Eternal Hunt on stamblade. You will see how completely broken this is and should be nerfed ASAP.

    EDIT; Here is a clip, no skill required, just attack and win. (this is only 29.5k stamina and 2.7k buffed weapon damage, just LOL)

    Hahahaha I'm not even sure why but I couldn't stop laughing watching that :lol:

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    Hello everyone,
    is it just me, or is Viper and Velidreth over the top? I play stamina NB by myself and tested out a lot builds and no build came even close to Viper + Velidreth. To make things worse, Viper and Velidreth don't scale with Weapondamage, so I can have a lot of regen together with insane burst.
    I often see people complaining about stamina builds being overpowered, but in my opinion it's more the stam sets that are the problem. My idea would be to give Viper a higher cooldown and make Velidreth a damage over time effect for 10 seconds instead of an instant burst. Heavy armor in general also looks a bit overbuffed to me, especially Black Rose, but since I don't play a heavy armor character as a main I can't say that much about it.

    Greetings

    I agree with all you say here. Velidreth and viper hitting together, specially from stealth is just ridiculous. Heavy armor (blackrose) is the new meta and its no wonder, they overbuffed it.
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    Synozeer wrote: »
    Viper's sting and Velidreth are worse than Malubeth before it was fixed.

    Malubeth still isn't fixed.

    Also this.
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Synozeer wrote: »
    Viper's sting and Velidreth are worse than Malubeth before it was fixed.

    Malubeth still isn't fixed.

    Also this.

    How so?
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  • Force-Siphon
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    Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.

    I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
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  • CapuchinSeven
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    Yup, it's comically broken. Throw in some traps and dodge rolls and boom, instant win.
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    IMO, Stam has been king since 1.6. Magic damage ults and strong single target proxy det damage helped keep the gap close, but the nerf to proxy det and the changes to the Dawnbreaker line and Incapacitating strike have changed that. Arguably the buff to sprint and shield changes are also factors.

    The balance issues do not only relate to sets and raw damage, but also ease of play.

    When I looked at ESO's combat system during beta, I first thought, "there's no way they'll be able to balance this." But then I considered the resources that Zenimax put into developing ESO and assumed ZOS hired some math geniuses who had devised clever systems.

    But obviously I was wrong. I do not think Wrobel applies any science to his work. He needs to be baking with standardized units, but instead is using pinches and dashes.
    Edited by zyk on August 28, 2016 11:58PM
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    Yup, it's comically broken. Throw in some traps and dodge rolls and boom, instant win.

    You forgot rally + vigor.

    It'd be comical if every stamblade in Cyro wasn't either running the set or farming it. No worries, I'm sure it'll be at the golden vendor next week just to be sure Wrobel's pet class gets everything their heart desires.
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  • ManDraKE
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    IMO:

    - Viper is not OP, 5 pieces with bad traits and bad bonuses for PvP (plus is bugged cause is scaling of spell critical/penetration). You have to sacrafice a lot in order to slot viper, it should be worth.

    - Velidreth is OP, 2 pieces, perfect traits and bonuses, hits harder than viper plus is an AoE.
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