When does trader flip happen on the EU servers?

phaseadept wrote: »

Flaming people who want more than guild traders will not help you

I think it was a joke about how ZOS would manage to screw it up somehow. Not nice, but unfortunately probably true based on our current experience.

Nobody's trying to start an auction house vs. kiosks flame war here ... right everyone?

That's the last thing the thread needs.

So, I finally got around to watching last week's ESO Live, and they answered a question about guild traders.

Pandorii wrote: »

Can we have a better filter or search feature on guild stores (for console)? It's getting quite difficult to sort through hundreds of purple motifs and armors to find what we want.

ANSWER

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:

So, that's a great idea. Guild trader usability is on our radar and something we want to improve.
We don't currently have a scheduled update for it, but um, we do like the idea.

In other words:


But ... there may be hope.

Dear ZOS Moderators,

Please relay the need for a remedy to in-game spying on the guild kiosk bids. Even a temporary solution of not scheduling weekly server maintenance so the servers are offline the final moments before the weekly kiosk reset time would be greatly appreciated by our overworked guild officers who have been using last minute bids to work around this problem.

Any response that acknowledges this request would be greatly appreciated.

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

covenant11b14_ESO wrote: »

There was a short period of time when maintenance was happening on Tuesday. This was the absolute best. This allowed a reasonable amount of time for bidders to make bids and follow up after. As it stands you make a bid, cross your fingers. For the third time in six weeks my guild does not have a trader because of the conflict between maintenance and trader budding.

ya that is the crappy part with the current system set up, I also believe people @ZOS don't care about the Economy or how it functions, no matter the amount of input us as players might give them. They in the end will do whats they want.

That would be because the trading economy is a side effect.

Zos adjusts the damage done of skills, because that's part of playing the game. They gave an anniversary cake of double xp, because that's part of playing the game. They adjust the difficulty level of content, so that people play the game. They overhauled enchanting nodes specifically so that more people would participate in using that skill, effectively taking action that harmed the glyph economy.

When they wanted more people to enjoy monster helm/shoulder sets, they had 2 ways to get those things into more hands. They could make them bind on equip, so that people could farm and sell the items... Or create a whole new merchant and go to the trouble of setting up special hours of operation and have the ongoing work of rotating the inventory. It would have been so much easier to just make the sets BoE, but that would not serve the primary function of ESO - which is to play the game. Creating 'the golden' was more work to start and more ongoing work, but it gets people participating more in order to afford those items.

The new item sets in cropsford and Vlastarus and Bruma - only 50k alliance points. They could have been priced in a fashion to encourage the stockpiling of gold, but instead they are priced to encourage more participation in cyrodiil.

The trading economy is a side effect. It's simply going to be second place behind anything that impacts the primary focus - playing the game content.

In some respects, Zos might even find happiness if there were no trade guilds making money because people that simply buy what they want would have to go out and do their own legwork to make ambrosia or farm mats or kill bosses for drops or such.

It really hasn't sunk in to most people in this thread that the entire arena in which they are operating is not really important to the game, and it is quite debatable whether the net effect of these trading megastore guilds is beneficial or detrimental to the top priority - playing the game content.

It's like the alligators with those birds. The alligator cares for food. It opens its mouth when it wants, closes it when it wants. A side effect is those birds. The alligator does not care about if the birds get enough food, if one dies others will always be around. The alligator does not care about fights between the birds, unless they scare off food. The birds can complain to the alligator about the random amount of time it spends in underwater maintenance, but they are just chattering because the alligator's cares do not include giving a crap about the needs of the birds.

Zos cares about the vibrancy of playing the content, not so much about gold changing hands. Does anyone really need more than the two examples of the monster helm vendor and the overhaul of enchanting nodes to conclude that the game comes first for them, always.

Cryptical wrote: »

That would be because the trading economy is a side effect.

The trading economy is a side effect. It's simply going to be second place behind anything that impacts the primary focus - playing the game content.

Fair enough. If that's how ZoS feels about trading in the game (though I suspect it isn't), then *just say it*.

Instead, they've held NUMEROUS meetings with "trade guilds" in the past year+ to talk about "trade guild pain points" while doing nothing with the same list we keep providing.

This thread started out with myself (and others) acknowledging that there have been other, more pressing priorities to deal with. But Flip Time Pain, Bid Spying Pain have been an issue for a very long time. Now we have the extra-special Maintenance Time Pain thrown on top of it.

I really don't think an answer, after asking the questions since last year, is an unreasonable expectation?

Cryptical wrote: »

I can easily imagine a list of things labeled "side projects for when there's nothing else going on" and ALL side effect stuff being on that list, but it doesn't get worked because actual game impacting stuff always takes priority.

No doubt. It may also be a consequence of the internal structure of ZOS, where independent teams set their own priorities. Guild permissions are not sexy. UI work is not fun. I doubt very much that any devs or team leads get excited about this stuff, because while they do participate in dungeons, trials, PvP and any new storylines, I can't really see them running their own 500 member guilds.

If any work is going to be done on guild features, it'll probably have to be from a higher-level manager saying, "hey, could we devote a systems guy for a couple days' work to make those noisy guild leaders go away?"

Maybe right after they fix the remaining grouping bugs would be an ideal time for it. Before One Tamriel becomes all-consuming, but after the post-patch blues have resided from update 11.

Anslay wrote: »

Preparing for another week of this... *sigh*

Please, ZOS.

To ZOS, I think they looked at this thread and decided that they have already said what they want to say on the subject. Yeah, maybe not everyone heard it, but eventually someone that did hear it will speak up. That will put the subject to rest.

Since nothing has changed, or something has changed but TPTB have decreed that we cannot know, there is no reason to comment.

This makes me sad.

Lady_Ems wrote: »

Going on 2 weeks with this thread. 8 pages and still no word from Zos. No Go jump off a cliff, No we don't give a crap, or a we ain't gonna do nothing about it. Just complete utter silence in the fact of completely ignoring everyone posting on this thread, everyone tagging members of the Zos team @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_AlanG, to name a few, we just want and at this point need to hear something from the team that our pleas have at least been heard.

I honestly interpret their silence as an apathetic stance regarding this issue. Especially when I see them respond to issues/requests that have much less impact on the game. This is an exploit that breaks how it is intended to work. They have been shown how simple it is to do. Maybe the folks tagged in this thread just don't "get" what this is about and therefore can not empathize with trading guild masters.

I'm still a bit confused about how this process works currently.

When server goes down for scheduled maintenance early each Monday morning, the guild traders are still open for bidding at that time? And then if maintenance is over before 8AM ET, then officers have short time to hire an unclaimed trader by 8AM if the bid was lost - is that right?

The last few weeks, the servers did not go back up before 8AM ET, so I would have expected to see some unclaimed guild traders nobody was able to bid on.

Or are unclaimed traders still available after maintenance even if the servers don't come back online until late in the day? Do they just stay available indefinitely until someone hires them?