@LEGENDARYYY : I think you got me wrong there, I'm not talking about your overall DPS, solely about the DPS by RM.
And I totally agree on the burst capabilities, just trying to find ways to make it more effective.
@LEGENDARYYY : I think you got me wrong there, I'm not talking about your overall DPS, solely about the DPS by RM.
And I totally agree on the burst capabilities, just trying to find ways to make it more effective.
@LEGENDARYYY : I think you got me wrong there, I'm not talking about your overall DPS, solely about the DPS by RM.
And I totally agree on the burst capabilities, just trying to find ways to make it more effective.
To be fair, the screenshots posted by @LEGENDARYYY are on Stamblade using Surprise Attack and @Asmael got a StamDK, which uses many class skills along the weapon skills (thanks for the screens btw!).
Only @triklops79 posted Stamsorc screens, which would be the perfect class for RedMountain since your only active class dps skill is Hurricane there, and he got by far the best results.
If you have a look at my video, testing Stamsorc on the same guard (Abah's Watch, great for testing since he stands still, doesn't stun you and you can easily outheal his attacks over a longer period).
You can see that my dps is around 45k when the guard hits 0%, Minor Aegis doesn't work on guard, otherwise the situation would've been pretty much the same as fighting a trial boss in a buffed group, so this guard is a really good dps dummy IMO, even if the dps rises after 0% (ofc), it's still great for comparing sets because that won't matter as long as you're fighting the same target.
Triklops got 3,7k dps out of RM+TBS, thats why I'm quite sure that the set will output at least 3,5k in boss fights.
Also, keep in mind that it will proc even if you only have a few dots on the boss, which means that it should become more effective on dynamic fights (say the warrior fight, when he runs away and jumps etc).
In addition to that cool bonus, the set still offers the 3% crit+130WD which is roughly 3% dps increase.
Thats why I'm positive here, that RM could dominate many fights.
oh and fyi:
RM scales with armor penetration+weapon crit(=precise strikes)
and to the other guy asking: it can't proc with merciless resolve, thats a class skill
and I doubt that it has an animation
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »I did some testing and the proc does not scale off precise strikes nor mighty in the cp tree, but it does scale off weapon crit (we already knew). It also scales off elfborn and elemental expert. Also tested traumaturge for the lolz but no effect
Weapon dmg+ spell dmg on enchant on weapons doesnt seem to increase the proc dmg either. (but my srendarr is *** up so I'm not certain)
do u know some place with armored targets that I can easily test penetration on?
noticed something else, when swapping from dw to bow the dmg on proc is decreased by 1k cus it seeminly scales off the base spell dmg or something?
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »I did some testing and the proc does not scale off precise strikes nor mighty in the cp tree, but it does scale off weapon crit (we already knew). It also scales off elfborn and elemental expert. Also tested traumaturge for the lolz but no effect
Weapon dmg+ spell dmg on enchant on weapons doesnt seem to increase the proc dmg either. (but my srendarr is *** up so I'm not certain)
do u know some place with armored targets that I can easily test penetration on?
noticed something else, when swapping from dw to bow the dmg on proc is decreased by 1k cus it seeminly scales off the base spell dmg or something?
Ya right, Precise Strikes increase the weapon crit damage, not the Critrate, got that mixed up there.
You can try Craglorn, the Crystals (magic anomalies) might have resistance. Also Snekorist should be a good target. And guards in wrothgar have a decent resistance.
RM scales off weaponcrit, which means that should scale with Weapon Damage (if it does, certainly not spelldamage) and maximum stamina. You can easily test that by using it with and without food.
Maaaan I want to test the set too gonna get the pieces I need when I find them for a decent price. I'm so greedy with my money, I don't even know why, even 1m per piece wouldn't be a big deal xD
But I still fear that it might not be BIS. And spending alot of money of gear you'll never use again hurts mehhh
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »LEGENDARYYY wrote: »I did some testing and the proc does not scale off precise strikes nor mighty in the cp tree, but it does scale off weapon crit (we already knew). It also scales off elfborn and elemental expert. Also tested traumaturge for the lolz but no effect
Weapon dmg+ spell dmg on enchant on weapons doesnt seem to increase the proc dmg either. (but my srendarr is *** up so I'm not certain)
do u know some place with armored targets that I can easily test penetration on?
noticed something else, when swapping from dw to bow the dmg on proc is decreased by 1k cus it seeminly scales off the base spell dmg or something?
Ya right, Precise Strikes increase the weapon crit damage, not the Critrate, got that mixed up there.
You can try Craglorn, the Crystals (magic anomalies) might have resistance. Also Snekorist should be a good target. And guards in wrothgar have a decent resistance.
RM scales off weaponcrit, which means that should scale with Weapon Damage (if it does, certainly not spelldamage) and maximum stamina. You can easily test that by using it with and without food.
Maaaan I want to test the set too gonna get the pieces I need when I find them for a decent price. I'm so greedy with my money, I don't even know why, even 1m per piece wouldn't be a big deal xD
But I still fear that it might not be BIS. And spending alot of money of gear you'll never use again hurts mehhh
when I removed/slotted dawnbreaker it had no effect on the proc. ill test food tomorrow.
DeadDealer wrote: »do you guys think Marksman+Archer Mind will be BiS for pvp?
for archers
DeadDealer wrote: »so.... this set not for archers?
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »LEGENDARYYY wrote: »I did some testing and the proc does not scale off precise strikes nor mighty in the cp tree, but it does scale off weapon crit (we already knew). It also scales off elfborn and elemental expert. Also tested traumaturge for the lolz but no effect
Weapon dmg+ spell dmg on enchant on weapons doesnt seem to increase the proc dmg either. (but my srendarr is *** up so I'm not certain)
do u know some place with armored targets that I can easily test penetration on?
noticed something else, when swapping from dw to bow the dmg on proc is decreased by 1k cus it seeminly scales off the base spell dmg or something?
Ya right, Precise Strikes increase the weapon crit damage, not the Critrate, got that mixed up there.
You can try Craglorn, the Crystals (magic anomalies) might have resistance. Also Snekorist should be a good target. And guards in wrothgar have a decent resistance.
RM scales off weaponcrit, which means that should scale with Weapon Damage (if it does, certainly not spelldamage) and maximum stamina. You can easily test that by using it with and without food.
Maaaan I want to test the set too gonna get the pieces I need when I find them for a decent price. I'm so greedy with my money, I don't even know why, even 1m per piece wouldn't be a big deal xD
But I still fear that it might not be BIS. And spending alot of money of gear you'll never use again hurts mehhh
when I removed/slotted dawnbreaker it had no effect on the proc. ill test food tomorrow.
Thanks for your testing, we should all send in a ticket, it shouldn't scale with Elfborn or Spellpenetration since it's a stamina set. Viper was bugged the same way and they fixed it so there's still hope.
Set procs never scale with Weapon Damage, the base damage is static, however it can be increased by CP, Crit Modifier, Penetration and passives.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »That said, what is the best setup for overall better dps?
I'll leave that kind of testing up to u @peniku8
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Seems like a decent set in pvp (not as good as viper though, since you won't have 3-4 DoTs running on your opponent at all times) and a viable one in pve.
Can anyone test if merciless charge procs RM? I doubt it, but it is initiated by a weapon attack, even if it's not the source of the DoT.
Dont forget about when u use bow and its dots though many use bow offhand, me included.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »OK this is very interesting.
RM proc does not scale off weapon/spell dmg weapon enchants nor any physical CP passives, weapon dmg or stamina. Neither does it scale off spell dmg OR magicka.
The only thing that increases RM proc is spell based CP, and, wait for it... swords.
This 19.6k probably only happened bc you stood in the blue area (+30% dmg)
I spent a few hours today doing lots of testing and lots of calculations.
I wanna spare you the calculations and just show you my test results below, which are very accurate, according to the following calculations... ok, no calculations is what I said, here are the pics:
Gold Divines TBS:
Purple Sturdy (!) Red Mountain:
Average of 5 fights:
TBS=50k
RM=49,5k
I took the average dps from the 5 cleanest figths I had, with each of the sets.
Based on several factors, RM is lacking 2,5% dps output (mostly because it's purple and sturdy and has Rekuta enchantments).
Regarding these 2,5%, Red Mountain outputs 2% more dps than TBS in this case (you output 50k dps single target).
Going through some quick calculations, TBS surpasses RM when you deal more than 60k dps single target, but I highly doubt that anybody can sustain such numbers
I spent a few hours today doing lots of testing and lots of calculations.
I wanna spare you the calculations and just show you my test results below, which are very accurate, according to the following calculations... ok, no calculations is what I said, here are the pics:
Gold Divines TBS:
Purple Sturdy (!) Red Mountain:
Average of 5 fights:
TBS=50k
RM=49,5k
I took the average dps from the 5 cleanest figths I had, with each of the sets.
Based on several factors, RM is lacking 2,5% dps output (mostly because it's purple and sturdy and has Rekuta enchantments).
Regarding these 2,5%, Red Mountain outputs 2% more dps than TBS in this case (you output 50k dps single target).
Going through some quick calculations, TBS surpasses RM when you deal more than 60k dps single target, but I highly doubt that anybody can sustain such numbers
I spent a few hours today doing lots of testing and lots of calculations.
I wanna spare you the calculations and just show you my test results below, which are very accurate, according to the following calculations... ok, no calculations is what I said, here are the pics:
Gold Divines TBS:
Purple Sturdy (!) Red Mountain:
Average of 5 fights:
TBS=50k
RM=49,5k
I took the average dps from the 5 cleanest figths I had, with each of the sets.
Based on several factors, RM is lacking 2,5% dps output (mostly because it's purple and sturdy and has Rekuta enchantments).
Regarding these 2,5%, Red Mountain outputs 2% more dps than TBS in this case (you output 50k dps single target).
Going through some quick calculations, TBS surpasses RM when you deal more than 60k dps single target, but I highly doubt that anybody can sustain such numbers
Have you tried this setup?
5x Vicious Serpent
3x Agility
2x Velidreth
2x Maelstrom (1x Axe Sharp, 1x Dagger Precise)
I only played with Velidreth on PTS a couple weeks ago but it gave me around 2.7k single target on StamDK.
Would be nice to combine it with RM.
Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »
Can you provide details about your class, set-up, CP distribution, and rotation in your tests?
I currently have a Dark Elf Stam DK and think the theory craft would be 5 tbs, 5 RM, with a maelstrom axe/dagger front bar and bow back bar. Tho I would be interested how such a set-up compares against 5 TBS with 5 Morag Tong now that it drops jewelry and all traits.
Edit: How would the same tests compare to a khajit or Redguard?
Have you tried this setup?
5x Vicious Serpent
3x Agility
2x Velidreth
2x Maelstrom (1x Axe Sharp, 1x Dagger Precise)