If the cd is 2 secs as intended there is no way it's new Bis.
Viper set is NOT 10%.
Viper set is melee atracks with 4s cool.
If you have FIVE weapon effects going off every second with Red Mtn you have about 50% chance of proc whereas Viper is 100% with one melee attack. Then 2s vs 4s.
Also, i think base dmg is higher for viper.
Also viper POISON benefits from same cp as physical so itsvgonna get boost while for stamina builds fire usually wont.
Net result, no way 2x dmg.
That said, target selection will matter. Poison and fire have different prime vulnerable targets.
leepalmer95 wrote: »Plus you need to take into account the mountain fire proc will go off spell penetration and spell crit.
DRXHarbinger wrote: »
Viper set is NOT 10%.
Viper set is melee atracks with 4s cool.
If you have FIVE weapon effects going off every second with Red Mtn you have about 50% chance of proc whereas Viper is 100% with one melee attack. Then 2s vs 4s.
Also, i think base dmg is higher for viper.
Also viper POISON benefits from same cp as physical so itsvgonna get boost while for stamina builds fire usually wont.
Net result, no way 2x dmg.
That said, target selection will matter. Poison and fire have different prime vulnerable targets.
Viper only hits one. Using an aoe like reverse slice or tornado should give a proc and damage for 8k to all enemies in the area. Far better than viper which will only hit one. Plus the crit on viper is capped. It does not hit for more than 9k on crit. Barely does more than 10% for some reason.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Plus you need to take into account the mountain fire proc will go off spell penetration and spell crit.
wrong, my red mountain proc works with wep crit phys pen, about 80% crit chance on my khajit
I just bought viper and gonna run 5x viper 5x red mountain now in gold key and post screens of dmg results.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Still testing viper vs red mountain in pink gear with some bad traits.
Look at this on the Warrior boss hel ra normal!
HUGE difference.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Still testing viper vs red mountain in pink gear with some bad traits.
Look at this on the Warrior boss hel ra normal!
HUGE difference.
Viper only procs off Light&Heavy Attacks afaik.
I tested Viper in full Gold and I got about 2.5k on Manti.
All in all I think both sets are pretty underwhelming on pure Single Target.
Alkosh, vicious ophidian, TBS, Velidreth or Toxic Defiance should all be better.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Still testing viper vs red mountain in pink gear with some bad traits.
Look at this on the Warrior boss hel ra normal!
HUGE difference.
Viper only procs off Light&Heavy Attacks afaik.
I tested Viper in full Gold and I got about 2.5k on Manti.
All in all I think both sets are pretty underwhelming on pure Single Target.
Alkosh, vicious ophidian, TBS, Velidreth or Toxic Defiance should all be better.
yes but pure single target is like 1% of this game. think about vDSA for example, where this set would probably shine.
I agree on trial bosses alone without any dodging etc its probably a tad weaker than those u mentioned.
Also red mountain set can be used in combination with any of these.
What about 5x vicious ophidian, 5x red mountain, 2x daggers (to compensate for the lost crit boon without tbs) and use shadow boon alone? Has to be tested.
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Still testing viper vs red mountain in pink gear with some bad traits.
Look at this on the Warrior boss hel ra normal!
HUGE difference.
Viper only procs off Light&Heavy Attacks afaik.
I tested Viper in full Gold and I got about 2.5k on Manti.
All in all I think both sets are pretty underwhelming on pure Single Target.
Alkosh, vicious ophidian, TBS, Velidreth or Toxic Defiance should all be better.
yes but pure single target is like 1% of this game. think about vDSA for example, where this set would probably shine.
I agree on trial bosses alone without any dodging etc its probably a tad weaker than those u mentioned.
Also red mountain set can be used in combination with any of these.
What about 5x vicious ophidian, 5x red mountain, 2x daggers (to compensate for the lost crit boon without tbs) and use shadow boon alone? Has to be tested.
Tbh single target DPS is the only thing I care about as AoE DPS can not be compared.
But ofc if you are not into Trials/Dungeons other setups might be better for AoE.
Also I think TBS is BiS if someone else uses Nightmother, but I might have an explanation why your overall DPS was better with RM.. TBS is giving you a boost to your damage in percentage, so the higher your baseDPS is the more effective it becomes. However if you have very low DPS like your Screens show RM will still give you the same flat amount of damage and in that case it might be better than TBS.
Hmm interesting @peniku8 but why do you assume 7%-9% DPS from TBS?
On my StamDK I have 82% Crit with a precise dagger and a sharpened axe. With a NB in the group it's buffed to 85%.
Ofc you could even reach more but let's stick with this setup. Shadow gives 18% more Crit Damage multiplied with your chance that is 15.3% Damage Increase in average.
And btw, Stamina also adds to your damage (10.5 Stamina = 1WD).
@LEGENDARYYY
So what? I know that they both have it and it's no game changer, I just said it coz Peniku didn't include it in his calculations^^
Hmm interesting @peniku8 but why do you assume 7%-9% DPS from TBS?
On my StamDK I have 82% Crit with a precise dagger and a sharpened axe. With a NB in the group it's buffed to 85%.
Ofc you could even reach more but let's stick with this setup. Shadow gives 18% more Crit Damage multiplied with your chance that is 15.3% Damage Increase in average.
And btw, Stamina also adds to your damage (10.5 Stamina = 1WD).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad set, but I doubt that it's best in slot for single target.
I'd really like to test it myself but I'm on vacation
Basically red mountain ain't bisvyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »You know i started following this thread because i thought it would be fun to load up with a bunch of sets that proc damage as a lark. And it seemed like a good idea to find out if red mountain was worth the gold people are asking.
Now i dont even know what is going on and im pretty sure after trying to follow the last couple post my nose is bleeding.
I hope ya all are happy with yourselves.
Basically red mountain ain't bisvyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »You know i started following this thread because i thought it would be fun to load up with a bunch of sets that proc damage as a lark. And it seemed like a good idea to find out if red mountain was worth the gold people are asking.
Now i dont even know what is going on and im pretty sure after trying to follow the last couple post my nose is bleeding.
I hope ya all are happy with yourselves.
It isn't stronger than either vicious Ophidian or twice born star
Mettaricana wrote: »My question is what drops the RED MOUNTAIN set at cp 160?
LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »My question is what drops the RED MOUNTAIN set at cp 160?
HRC normal drops purple gear and jewelry
HRC vet drops purple gear and golden jewelry
afaik