KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
I wouldnt say its "artificial barrier". You can say that an auction house npc would be a "barrier" too...
And actually, guild trader system serves a very important role - its a gold sink.
I'm not saying its perfect, but just removing it will just make the price inflation even stronger.
Speaking of people who fail to sell anything in guild stores... Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
I still cant see a problem here.
Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
I wouldnt say its "artificial barrier". You can say that an auction house npc would be a "barrier" too...
And actually, guild trader system serves a very important role - its a gold sink.
I'm not saying its perfect, but just removing it will just make the price inflation even stronger.
Speaking of people who fail to sell anything in guild stores... Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
I still cant see a problem here.
Console pkayers dont have /z chat yet am afraid. Although it will be another means to sell in the future. Not ideal but its an option.
Vendor trash is vendor trash i would only put items for sale thats worth it.
I get what your saying about it being a gold sink. But my gut feel is this is not the case. Its makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »@KoshkaMurka, I think you fail to see the point too I have never spoken as to remove stuff at all.. Neither to remove the "tax" for selling.. The npc merchants obviously needs to be paid a tax too since we are buying room at his stand.. He's supposed to act just like a guild merchant, gold sink and all .. It's an outstretched hand for people unwilling to be in a guild, but at the same time a penalty, since you won't have the same amount of slots as you would in a guildsEven with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
Not sure I understand this part
1: Can we please not call this an AH system, since it's not, and people will get negative if they think it is
2: What is it you think they won't be able to sell? Vendor trash can always be sold to vendors, and the merchant is to free up general chat from the often ocuring WTS shouts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNIpwhR66o
Like this, could open up many RP opportunities and socializing.
i don't think interacting with an npc really counts as socializing
I just dont see why people would need something with a penalty, when they can get the same thing without penalty, by joining a guild.
The solution is targeting a set of people who do not use the current trading system. (They have their reasons) It will increaase supply, which should reduce the prices overall and allow people to get involved. The cost of this is a high commision.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »An auction house thread by any other name is still an auction house thread.
They haven't done anything on it in 2 years because they already use guilds so another thread masquerading as a different idea (whether intentional or unintentional) will not make a difference.
You can stick your AH where the sun don't shine.. This is in NO WAY, a request for a global, or any other kind of auction.. It's a merchant, in no way different from those already in the game.. You purchase a ware, you don't bid on it..So, pretty much like a guild, without being in onethe flow of wares, in your model, is not player to player its player to npc and (maybe, if it sell), npc to player. and that is not, by any generally accepted definition of the word, socializing.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Daemons_Bane wrote: »@KoshkaMurka, I think you fail to see the point too I have never spoken as to remove stuff at all.. Neither to remove the "tax" for selling.. The npc merchants obviously needs to be paid a tax too since we are buying room at his stand.. He's supposed to act just like a guild merchant, gold sink and all .. It's an outstretched hand for people unwilling to be in a guild, but at the same time a penalty, since you won't have the same amount of slots as you would in a guildsEven with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
Not sure I understand this part
1: Can we please not call this an AH system, since it's not, and people will get negative if they think it is
2: What is it you think they won't be able to sell? Vendor trash can always be sold to vendors, and the merchant is to free up general chat from the often ocuring WTS shouts
Daemons_Bane wrote: »@jedtb16_ESO Yeah, the OPTION but what would be wrong with being able to sell, yet having the option to do it without socializing?
Daemons_Bane wrote: »Ok now we really need to kill this AH stuff.. With an AH, you place a bid on items, sometimes being allowed to outbid others.. This is a merchant, aka fixed prices.. Secondly, it's regional, removing that global crap..
Daemons_Bane wrote: »And yes, it CAN be done in zone chat, but it can also be made to work in a better way.. I detest the fact that someone at the northern end of Glenumbra can somehow still hear what the person in the south wants to sell.. That system can be improved upon
Daemons_Bane wrote: »No, and you know that it was not what I said.. I detest that you can shout across a zone
KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
I wouldnt say its "artificial barrier". You can say that an auction house npc would be a "barrier" too...
And actually, guild trader system serves a very important role - its a gold sink.
I'm not saying its perfect, but just removing it will just make the price inflation even stronger.
Speaking of people who fail to sell anything in guild stores... Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
I still cant see a problem here.
P.S. Also, you cant speak for most of people... Theyre not even on forums.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »No, and you know that it was not what I said.. I detest that you can shout across a zone
i commented on what you said - your meaning may have been otherwise but it did not come across in your post.
so really what you should be seeking is an end to zone chat not a fudged ah.
i can see that going down really well.
i like using zone chat to sell stuff - go to the major trading areas /z wts whatever.... it works really well, and there is an element of a real auction there - put up something that people want to buy and take the highest bid. there is no tax to pay, no fees to pay - it makes good use of in-game communication.
it works fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNIpwhR66o
Like this, could open up many RP opportunities and socializing.
i don't think interacting with an npc really counts as socializing
If there would be stalls like these,i'd prefer them to only be allowed in certain areas like the market place.
For socializing purposes,it might be better to extend the idea.
so that players can offer themselves as mercenary in the tavern for dungeons,..
the ablities for players to offer certain expertis to others ,linked to a specific area that hasthe right context for it.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »I just dont see why people would need something with a penalty, when they can get the same thing without penalty, by joining a guild.
Very simply it's a system so both parties, guildies and non guildies, can be happy and do their trading The reason for the penalty, aka the limited sale slots, is that it would be highly unlikely that a wandering adventurer had the same connections as a well established merchant.. A merchant has built up a ring of contacts and customers, while the adventurer just roams around and sell stuff when he can.. Hence you have more slots and even an extra stall from the guild trader, IF you are in a guild.. That way you can join a guild if you are more serious about selling or just want to group up with other people, but you also have options if such a lifestyle is not what suits you
KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
I wouldnt say its "artificial barrier". You can say that an auction house npc would be a "barrier" too...
And actually, guild trader system serves a very important role - its a gold sink.
I'm not saying its perfect, but just removing it will just make the price inflation even stronger.
Speaking of people who fail to sell anything in guild stores... Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
I still cant see a problem here.
P.S. Also, you cant speak for most of people... Theyre not even on forums.
An auction house isn't what is being suggested here. And no, a NPC trader wouldn't be any form of barrier, that's the whole point - it would be a feature that was accessible to all.
Would you be happy if you could only PvP if you belonged to a PvP guild that had won the right to enter Cyrodiil this week? Would you be happy if you could only do a PvE dungeon if you belonged to a guild that had won the right to enter dungeons this week? I'm guessing the answer to both is a hearty "No" because you would see those conditions as artificial barriers to your accessing core parts of the game. Requiring you to join a trading guild and win a trader slot before you can put your goods up for sale through the trading system is just such an artificial barrier.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I dont see a problem, sorry.
You can be the loneliest of lonely wolves and still be in trading guild, the only "social" thing that is actually required is asking for invite. I'm in 2 big trading guilds, and no one cares if I'm talking to other guild members or not, the only thing that matters is selling items.
If you're afraid of seeing guild chat and talking to people, just use "offline mode" so no one can whisper you and hide chat (or, if you still want to see /z chat, just make another tab).
Most people who choose not to join a trading guild don't make that decision through any kind of fear or a desire for social isolation, they make it because they either fail to have enough surplus stuff to justify guild membership or else are opposed to the principle of such a core part of the game being locked behind artificial barriers such as guild membership. Some, of course, will belong to guilds that don't get regular trading spots.In any of those circumstances they just sell any surplus stuff to NPC merchants and get on with the rest of the game.
I wouldnt say its "artificial barrier". You can say that an auction house npc would be a "barrier" too...
And actually, guild trader system serves a very important role - its a gold sink.
I'm not saying its perfect, but just removing it will just make the price inflation even stronger.
Speaking of people who fail to sell anything in guild stores... Even with auction house system, they wont be able to sell vendor trash items and other useless stuff, and tempers/flowers/motifs/other highly demanded items can be as well just sold in /z chat.
I still cant see a problem here.
P.S. Also, you cant speak for most of people... Theyre not even on forums.
An auction house isn't what is being suggested here. And no, a NPC trader wouldn't be any form of barrier, that's the whole point - it would be a feature that was accessible to all.
Would you be happy if you could only PvP if you belonged to a PvP guild that had won the right to enter Cyrodiil this week? Would you be happy if you could only do a PvE dungeon if you belonged to a guild that had won the right to enter dungeons this week? I'm guessing the answer to both is a hearty "No" because you would see those conditions as artificial barriers to your accessing core parts of the game. Requiring you to join a trading guild and win a trader slot before you can put your goods up for sale through the trading system is just such an artificial barrier.